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Monday, March 14, 2011

Nurse Handing out Hormones and the Road to Conformity

I was recently emailed this tumblr, the young woman whose account it is says this:  

"so this tuesday (3/8) i have an appointment with an RN i found through a local transgender resource group who is going to give me my first shot of testosterone and a prescription for it. she specializes in internal medicine, and after meeting with her for the first time last week, i know she has my best health interests at hand".

 First, RN's do NOT have the authority to write prescriptions anymore than they have the authority to clinically diagnose "GID" which is required in order for "T" to be prescribed in the first place. Clearly this "RN" is pimping out her illegal services to a trans group or groups, while this young woman after "one" meeting with Miss RN believes Miss RN to be her trans savior sent to anoint her with blessed "T". 


She goes on to say, after she confesses to praying to the false postmodernism god:


"...for my transition to begin, it was necessary that i not be held down by the pathologization of the trans identity, but rather find somebody to recognize my different needs and help me work within my own frame of transitioning.  as much as i would like to do away with the pathologizing of trans, i wonder what it would ultimately mean for the community.  without it being deemed something needing to be corrected by medical intervention, would medical intervention even be allowed for trans people? if you don’t have a disease, how can a doctor treat it? or will there still be progressive doctors who recognize the diversity of the human population and adjust to each individual’s own needs"?

She doesnt want to deal with that troublesome "GID" diagnosis that signifies something is wrong with her as well as that troublesome diagnosis delays transition. She also brings up something I've written about many times here before myself, that if GID is removed from the DSM, there is no disorder and therefore there is no treatment. Hormones and removing healthy body parts do not fall under cosmetic surgery; goodbye T and goodbye to healthy breast removal, hystos, sewn up vagina's, clitoris snippings and plastic "penises" covered in arm, thigh or ass skin and yes goodbye to tax payer dollars and medical insurances covering these costly "procedures".

On a good note (if you can call it that) there are many large trans groups working diligently to have GID removed from the DSM. Many are hoping that could be as soon as two years away when the DSM5 comes out. It wouldnt stop the development of this disorder, but it would put a serious hamper on the trans trenders forcing many to grow up and mature past their self hatred. Thats the backasswardness of this situation, in order to "treat" or halt the current barbaric "treatment" of this disorder it has to be removed from being medically declared a disorder.


She ends her post with this gem:


"so on tuesday, when i enter my RN’s office, i’m going to poke my first antennae through my cocoon, hanging from a tree branch, next to many other cocoons and a kaleidoscope of butterflies, all individualistic and beautiful"."

Like so many many misbegotten youths, this young woman seeks individualism through mass conformity. The genius that was Simone Weil (one of my teen heroes) wrote that "there is but little hope for the individual and yet the individual is the only hope". The individual cannot be found in the bottom of a vial of faux hormones any more than he has ever been found amid any group or masses or trend and transition isnt anymore "individualistic" than it is "beautiful". Conformity is what it is always been, no matter how you arrive to its door, rote, ugly and routine. 

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  1. He may be mistaken in that the "RN" could very well be a Nurse Practitioner, and they are allowed to prescribe medications in every state.

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  2. In addition - before everyone starts coming in with the "all transmen are looking for a fast track to hormones" crap - I think it's horrible that after one visit, he was able to get on T. I know I've said it before, but when I transitioned over 12 years ago, intense, lengthy therapy was required in most places, as it should be. I am not in agreement with how easy it is now - if it were as difficult as it should be, you wouldn't have the young trenders you do now.

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  3. first of all it is not MADATORY to hace to see a dr to be diagnosed with GID its recomended but not necessary,a lot of doctors still follow the old recomedations which are just that RECOMENDATIONS, yall should do yalls research before yall spout out false facts

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  4. Lynn, I love you to mention Simone Weil (a loyal french reader ;)

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  5. k not trying to be rude, I'm honestly just curious.

    How long do you spend looking up trans-related things on the internet (youtube, tumblr, livejournal, blogspot, etc) because you reference two or more of these each day, and I know you don't just happen upon them by accident.

    The who's transitioning posts are another story. I'm sure they don't take you long. But everything else...I feel like it would be the equivilent to a part time job...

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  6. @Mere March 14, 2011 5:30 PM



    Type in www.google.com. There is a blank box. Put your curser in the box and type a term(any term).
    Press the search button. Observe that a number of links are returned. Repeat as required.

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  7. @ Canadian:

    You know, I haven't seen one post from you that isn't snarky, defensive, or offensive. It's like you sit around and make little jabs at people. Then you demand that someone answer a question, and ignore everyone who does answer it.

    Get a life.

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  8. "Repeat as required."

    Oh, sorry, did we "pressure" you to Google us too, Canadian?

    Fuck my life!

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  9. A site you may find handy, Canadian, when making snarky google remarks.
    http://lmgtfy.com/

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  10. @Canadian:

    Okay. So let's go through that process. What does she type in, "trans trending"? "Trans conformity"? I highly doubt it. No doubt she types in something trans related and I agree with you, a multitude of things will show up. A multitude of things that need to be sifted through for "gems", thought about, processed - and then there's the writing of the essays on top of that.

    Which reminds me, I have an essay to write. Yeah, I consider school my job. And I have a part time job on top of that. Now the question is, who spends more time on their "homework", me or Dirt?

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  11. "And I have a part time job on top of that. Now the question is, who spends more time on their "homework", me or Dirt?"

    Well Stated!! Although she needs to take a class on accurate research and non-biased random samplings

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  12. I submitted that info to Dirt via email just like she said. So she did not have to search for it at all.

    I saw it on tumblr, as I am on there and it alarmed me. Thought it would be of interest to this blog.

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  13. anon@6:24

    Ah, fair enough. Then I guess my inquiry doesn't apply to this particular post but rather the content of this blog in general.

    Which means it will be deleted and she'll never answer it. Just watch.

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  14. @Anon March 14, 2011 5:57 PM,March 14, 2011 5:58 PM,March 14, 2011 5:57 PM



    Based on my experience here I have found some in the trans community to be immature, deceptive and incapable of engaging in a mature arguement. Seriously, one does not require a deep knowledge of the internet to be able to find links on any topic in seconds. To imply otherwise is simply stupid and lazy. Cite one of my posts besides the that was snarky(besides of course the google one was) or offensive which none of my posts have been. For a group of people who are so secure in your identities, your concern for one site and one or two posters is puzzling. Could the real reason for your concern be that there are questioning being raised that you really cannot answer? Further, I think it is becoming obvious to any impartial observer that the "trans" state is a matter of personal choice in most cases for those who refuse to grow up and be their own people.

    Let me cite some examples of what is have discussed in this post:

    1)A handful of posters using "anon" ids to create the impression of massive opposition to anti trans remarks. I am looking at you Nat

    2)Not responding to the content of posts and mounting personal attacks when one cannot not counter the arguement put forward and prattling on about "little jabs". Could one such example of a little job be the accusation that dirt and I were "blowing each other". Can any of you cite one of my posts that even comes close to matching this level of offensiveness?

    3)The spreading of out and out lies and implications. I have never "googled" anyone or sought out personal information. This cannot be said about some in the "trans" community who offer to spread dirts personal information to anyone who emails them.

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  15. @Canadian

    I'm not going to address most of your points because they simply don't apply to me. But I do want to point one thing out:

    You, Dirt and Dirt's followers seem to be under the impression that everyone who disagrees with you is trans. This is untrue. I am not trans, have never had an inkling that I could be trans. I love being a woman and love being a lesbian. I don't even know anyone in real life who was trans.

    And yet, when I asserted this once, one of you came back with, "I highly doubt you are a lesbian". Umm, okay?

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  16. @Mere

    Can you quote the post I said this on

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  17. Canadian, "mere" is merely a troll and if she cannot manage to stay on topic, then like the other of topic comments her comments will be deleted.

    dirt

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  18. @Mere March 14, 2011 6:15 PM

    I found the following link in about 20 minutes
    www.stp2012.info/guia/STP_guide_health.pdf

    It deals with depathologizing the trans state and changing the criteria for obtaining treatment
    Search criteria used:
    access to treatments for transexuality
    "access to treatments for transexuality"

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  19. @Canadian

    Oh you didn't! Sorry if I gave that impression. By "one of you" I meant Dirt and her followers. But I shouldn't lump you all into the same category, I apologize.

    As for the post in question, it was honestly a while back and I don't have the motivation to sift through all the entries. *shrugs* that probably makes me sound a lot less credible, but oh well.

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  20. @Dirt..
    Yeah I know...

    I think the last blog topic where lesbians stated that they had been through the same experiences as the "transitioners" pretty much did them in

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  21. "On tuesday the nurse is making me into a butterfly"

    LMAO

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  22. Remind anyone of Silence of the Lambs?

    dirt

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  23. homosexuality used to be in the DMS. clearly things can be wrongly categorized as a 'disorder.' but since homosexuality got taken out of the DMS there's no need to go about handing out "special rights" like marriage or adoption or protection from discrimination since everyone will now know there is nothing wrong with gay people.

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  24. Homosexuality was removed because it wasnt something that required treatment. Gays and lesbians have never needed to take a lifetime of drugs or mutilate healthy body parts to be gay or lesbian, we're born that way.

    dirt

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  25. RN's who are Nurse Practitioners do have the authority to write prescriptions.

    He states he is going to his RNs office. I doubt very much a medical professional would invite someone to their office if they were doling out illegal and unauthorised drugs!

    I don't think the full story is here....I don't mean you have omitted it Dirt, I mean this is just one part of a longer story.

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  26. RN is what was stated, NOT NP, there is big diff.

    dirt

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  27. "if they have special license to do so. There are many RNs who work with psychiatrists who have prescription-writing privileges".

    the original poster on tumblr has perhaps got his wires crossed. I think you are being a little pedantic about their post which was probably made whilst they were excited and full of enthusiasm.

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  28. Yeah, that must be it Al, the woman is a kook. Sheesh. She is a 23 y/o woman, she's isnt five.

    dirt

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  29. I have just read some of his blog on tumblr and there are quite a few comments that do concern me.

    Obviously we don't KNOW anyone by just reading what they write on the internet.

    IF they are obtaining their testosterone without a proper diagnosis (which in this country UK, would be either privately or via NHS) but they are in the US where it's all paid for(?) then it is without doubt irresponsible.

    Obviously it's up to them if they want to do that, their problem and since as you state they are 23, not a child, then as an adult they have to be responsible for their decisions.

    IF this RN is prescribing illegally and irresponsibly then she should be called out as she is potentially endangering a life/lives

    Has anyone personally contacted the poster on Tumblr? Found out more info?

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  30. I can assure you this is not the only example of people on tumblr doing this. I have been on tumblr a long time, and see tons of very young (14-17) FTM's who are in my opionion obsessed with transitioning. What's equally as sad, is they also seem to be (as it's clearly stated on their blogs) depressed, have serious eating disorders, and are cutters.

    All you have to do is go on tumblr and search for FTM, and you will see many. It's very sad as in the comments between these young girls they are all pressuring each other to transition by saying things like--- 'your body dysphoria will not go away until you get on T' etc.

    Where are their older "brothers" helping these young people?

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  31. http://ghost--bones.tumblr.com
    claims to be 18, on T for 7 months yet still "coming to terms with my gender & sexuality"
    openly states how their ideal weight is 90lbs.

    " I’ve come a long way in my transition from that mess of a girl to a boy who is starting to figure out who he is."

    so telling. 'a mess of a girl'

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  32. Anon@10:15

    Where are any of the parents of transitioners whatever their age?

    dirt

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  33. "how very feminine of you.
    it’s very feminine of me, i think, to have an eating disorder - despite the fact that men do, indeed, have eating disorders. though they are the minority. i’m a strange breed, and so are the others like me - juxtaposed between femininity and masculinity, hating their bodies to the point of restricting, fasting, puking, over exercising, laxative and diuretic abuse.

    i’m at a fork in the road, metaphorically speaking. i can give in and give up and waste away to an androgynous pile of bones, heart arrythmic. or i can fight against this eating disorder and become the strong, toned, confident, pierced and tattooed man i know i can be.

    it’s a battle i fight every day and it’s tiring."

    http://ghost--bones.tumblr.com/page/4

    so sad.
    not sure where the parents are.
    the more i read the sadder it all becomes. these lost girls, hating themselves so much and their therapist & doctor's really letting them down.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/kpainn?feature=mhum

    also has a tumblr @ http://sheeshoss.tumblr.com/

    Claims to still be coming out as trans, yet got top surgery before even getting a prescript for T.

    frequently comments to other young ftm's-
    "yeah brooooo i was nervous to make videos too i didnt want to but i feel like its my duty akaaaa yoooszzzzz 2222 do ittt!!! "
    (http://ghost--bones.tumblr.com/page/2)

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  34. @JJ,

    I noticed some trans pressuring going on there to, even though the girl said she didnt think she was trans. We are seeing this all too often.

    dirt

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  35. @ Dirt-

    Yeah the more I read the more I'm really shocked. All the cutting that's going on, and eating disorders. The obvious female body hating. Very, very sad.

    It's almost as if they are bragging about all the disorders they have. And how they really do compare taking T to getting tattoos and piercings.

    I want to reach out to them as I find them to show them a adult butch female, who is very masculine- and happy, but I know that in that age period they will not listen.

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  36. The whole japanese nation is in a major nuclear catastrophe and all those f* FTM can do is kindergarden talk about their ego? You know what fuck you queer and FTM!

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  37. Anon@11:08,

    While it may not appear that way to you, they are in pain too. Were they not they wouldnt be self harming through transition.

    And to be fair, in going about my day to day I havent heard a single person anymore say more than a word or two about the catastrophe. Thats not a selfish ftM thing, thats a self american thing.

    dirt

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  38. @Canadian 6:33
    "1)A handful of posters using "anon" ids to create the impression of massive opposition to anti trans remarks. I am looking at you Nat"

    My previous posts disappeared. Not sure if they were removed or just vanished like some seem to. But I don't use anon IDs anymore. I use 'Nat', ever since I figured out how to sign my posts 'Nat'. I'm not an illusionist. I'm not anonymous. There's no point to me.
    (If this is being moderated please let me know why, or just let me know I am not welcome to post.)

    Anyways.
    It does break my heart to see these people being pressured by their 'friends' to transition. Being pressured to make such drastic physical changes is not equivalent to wearing a navel ring, and I feel like these young people aren't exactly aware of that. Testosterone isn't made of magic, far from it, and I suspect they think it is.

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  39. @2:25PM Anon

    You're kind of a hostile jerk, aren't you? Butch women are just women acting like themselves. They just happen to possess a non-conventional femininity, from what I understand (I'm not butch, so I can't give a 100% perfect picture).
    Also men being objectively better than women is nonsense. Society just treats the situation that way.

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  40. Nat, you seem like the only level-headed person on this forum. Huh. Maybe that's because you don't feel you have anything to defend in regards to your body, your presentation. I hope I'm not talking out of turn here, but I wonder if most people would not blame you if you decided to boost your T or E levels either way, so that your presentation would never be questioned. Which makes me wonder how different that is from those of us who passed when we were still "female"? Do you have a sense that the lines are blurry in terms of variance in hormone levels, breast development, body shape, voice and other secondary sex characteristics. Out of curiosity, I wonder if there is a hierarchy in intersex circles, where chromosomally intersexed people are considered more "real" than say, a person who just has a "masculinized" set of female genitals from hormone levels in the womb...
    I truly don't mean to speak without respect, but I have always wondered this. I am FTM, but I also had an genital surgery of dubious necessity when I was very young. This has led to some ambiguity and detachment when I engage with these types of attacks from people.

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  41. "so on tuesday, when i enter my RN’s office, i’m going to poke my first antennae through my cocoon, hanging from a tree branch, next to many other cocoons and a kaleidoscope of butterflies, all individualistic and beautiful"."

    This is embarrassing, to say the least. Kinda like my high school journal. Thank god blogs did not exist then. Someone might have used mine to judge a whole population...

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  42. @3:45

    I guess it's hard to say if there's a hierarchy. In my community, the only intersex support group is actually, transgender/transsexual/intersex/questioning support group. Which turns out to be a trans support group (people have asked me if I'm mtf or ftm when I've gone, but then, I'm super androgynous depending on how I wear my hair. Or they just locked me out since they thought I was a church protestor, which is apparently an issue. Good times.) So I don't know any intersex people in the flesh, so we haven't had to duke it out, but I don't think there is a huge hierarchy. There are some more severe than others, though.

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  43. This individual made a mistake because they did not know the difference between an RN and an NP. They are under the consultation of an NP, who is legally and ethically able to write prescriptions. NPs provide primary medical care to millions of people in the US, and, according to the medical profession, are qualified to do so.

    The Harry Benjamin Standards of Care are a series of guidelines for a course of treatment. While some doctors, therapists, and NPs follow them strictly, they are still guidelines, not requirements. It is at the discretion of the care provider.

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  44. And I know that they made a mistake, because I was a decent human being and asked them.

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  45. regardless of whether they made a mistake or not, all you have to do is dig further into the blog to discover the extreme uncertainty there.
    we can all sit here and argue all we want- but the fact remains that there are some really young, confused, depressed, people out there that are having access to a hormone that can permanently change their body.

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  46. @7:13

    Agreed. Someone who is so confused should not have access to life altering substances of any kind. People who transition should know every little itty bitty thing about themselves, why they're doing it, their identity, the physical effects of hormones, etc. in my opinon, preferably with the help of a non-directive therapist as well as psychiatric experts. Transition is a pretty big deal! It's not a new pair of socks! And I do worry for many young people who are going into it all willy nilly. I know some examples in real life.
    While I think transition can be right for some people, it's not right for the confused or uncertain. It's not a magic bullet.

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  47. "Dirt said...

    Homosexuality was removed because it wasnt something that required treatment. Gays and lesbians have never needed to take a lifetime of drugs or mutilate healthy body parts to be gay or lesbian, we're born that way."

    I can see your point here but I too can say that I was born trans. I mean I have been trans all of my life. First diagnosed at 18 but didn't go on hormones due to the fact that I didn't know anything about testosterone and wanted to wait until I did my own research. I didn't start HRT until July of 2009 after being diagnosed again with GID on Dec. 21, 2007.

    I'm not trying to argue with you or anything but I'm just saying that I have always been trans. Now when I didn't know what was wrong with me and had to come out as a lesbian (which I never was) at 15 I just didn't didn't feel right at all and that is when I went into therapy. My therapist at that time was a butch lesbian. A very nice woman I should add. She was VERY helpful and printed out a bunch of information for me to read on all sorts of topics. I connected with her very well and trusted her a whole lot. She was my therapist for 4 1/2 years. I formed a bond with her and told her EVERYTHING about me that I could possibly think of. I wrote journal entries for her to read twice a week. She knew me better than I knew myself. Sadly, she was killed in a car accident. Anyways, She helped me through a whole lot of stuff and made me learn how to love myself for who and what I was. A few years later I found out that her gf committed suicide bc she couldn't live without her. They were together for 16 years.

    I know 100% that I did not make a mistake when I decided to go on testosterone. It was the right thing for me to do and I have not one regret in doing so. Yeah, there are health risks but then again no matter what you put in your body there is gonna be health risks. People smoke knowing full well it can cause cancer. I get blood work done all the time and am in really good health even after being on T for a year and almost 9 months.

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  48. @Brandon

    I'm sorry to hear about what happened to your therapist. :( That's very sad.
    As for your transition, though, I'm glad that you got informed before going through with anything permanent!
    http://tinyurl.com/4cngb9y
    might be interesting to look at (I found it today), as well as some of the references on it. I'm not saying you should read it, necessarily, unless you like scientific studies. I have doubts about the study in some points, and there isn't really anything out about life expectancy of trans people. But I'd rather look at studies than speculation on the matter.

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  49. jj @ 10:25

    I just looked over the tumblr you posted and that person has recieved a lot of hateful comments recently. The content and wording of them tells me they were certainly, certainly written by a follower of this blog.

    The comments themselves were not helpful. Just downright mean. Not only were they attacked for being an FTM, but also for having an eating disorder. It's not a real problem, apparently.

    Perfect example of how what goes on here only leads to bullying and hurt. Whoever attacked that poor person should be ashamed of themselves. As should you, JJ.

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  50. "The whole japanese nation is in a major nuclear catastrophe and all those f* FTM can do is kindergarden talk about their ego? You know what fuck you queer and FTM!"

    The whole japanese nation is in a major nuclear catastrophe and all you can do is sit at your computer and critisize people? You know what fuck YOU anon.

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  51. @Brandon March 15, 2011 11:33 PM

    "I can see your point here but I too can say that I was born trans."

    What evidence do you have to support this contention?

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  52. where are all the last posts that were made? :-/

    the ones saying that the transman had got his RN and NP mixed up?

    Sorry Dirt, I don't understand why you would remove them?

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  53. posters have quoted other posts with timestamps. The quoted posts are now missing. Makes the whole thing look ridiculous and manipulated.

    Have the courage of your convictions Dirt.

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  54. I am the author of the blog and I made a fucking mistake in calling my NP and RN. It's great to know Dirt is trolling blogs so well to catch mistakes like this, and to plaster it on her slander site for others to jude.

    Stop judging, start listening. You don't even KNOW me.

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  55. "Anonymous said...
    regardless of whether they made a mistake or not, all you have to do is dig further into the blog to discover the extreme uncertainty there.
    we can all sit here and argue all we want- but the fact remains that there are some really young, confused, depressed, people out there that are having access to a hormone that can permanently change their body.

    March 15, 2011 7:13 PM"

    What in my blog leads you to believe this? How can you get to really know me from an internet blog?

    You are making hateful judgments about people through what you automatically perceive to be a bad thing they are doing. You don't even ask questions, you just start spewing out venom.

    you catch more bees with honey.

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  56. "We live in a world of incredible variations, where there are some 200,000 species of moths and butterflies to be found on this planet, where one can find snowy ice caps and boiling cauldrons of lava, where biodiversity is the one thing that keeps the whole complex system in tune. The notion of classifying things and then claiming that only this or that is a proper version of being is a distinctly human construct, full of arrogance and hubris. When those of us who are gender outlaws of any stripe (including you Dirt!), seek to set definitions on our realness, to determine who is somehow normal (or in your case, right/wrong), amongst us, it seems all the more crazy.

    I assume it is some sort of human failing that makes us always need to shun someone we perceive as "more different than thou" (or as you believe, totally wrong/apprehensible). Some simply need to feel better about themselves by despising someone further down the chain from them. Never-the-less, this does not help to move us further along in the world at large.

    We can worry about who is this and who is that, who can argue about who does and who doesn't belong. We can talk about how much more legitimate one or another of us is. In the end, we are all somebody's freak - and basic human dignity is not a privilege of the lucky superior few, but a right of all or none." - Gwendolyn Ann Smith

    Ok, I'm done being upset I got "dirted on the dirt". I just wish you guys would have some respect for people.

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  57. @Mere Ummmm your judging FTM's and saying that uhhhh are you not on dirt's blog? contradict your self more please? HAHAHAHAHAHAH

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  58. @ Mere-

    The tumblr I posted was out of extreme concern for not only that person, but for the many others on tumblr that are in this whole "hate my female body club". See this directory list- which clearly has a under 18 section guiding these children on how to loose weight. If you look into these sites, it is not healthy weight loss it is like a contest to get to 80 lbs and below! It's absolutely shocking to this feminist, and since I am a regular blogger on tumblr, I shared this info not only with my followers but also with people who are running tumblr.

    see link (this is just the under 18 section) http://lightweights.tumblr.com/teens
    Notice how just on 3/6- 30 new tumblrs were added! OMG so much female body hate in one place!

    As far as I'm concerned this issue for me flew past that one poor kid and her identity issues- and into a whole realm of young girls who are slowing killing themselves.

    You're right I'm so ashamed of myself for putting this out there for the feminist community to see.
    BTW, I also shot Ellen & Portia a email on this, hopefully Portia can raise some attention to this since she had such a personal issue with the same.

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  59. If you don't want people like Dirt to come and steal your blog posts use a blog you can set to private and invite your trusted friends.

    This world is full of people stroking their egos, spouting everywhere about their lives, thinking that everyone who comes along and reads their blog is going to respect their privacy.

    Sadly the world is not like that.

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  60. Wondering if anybody saw this article over at Salon:

    http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2011/03/14/neither_man_nor_woman/index.html

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  61. @alecscottrook March 16, 2011 9:54 AM

    "If you don't want people like Dirt to come and steal your blog posts use a blog you can set to private and invite your trusted friends.

    This world is full of people stroking their egos, spouting everywhere about their lives, thinking that everyone who comes along and reads their blog is going to respect their privacy."

    If you post material on the net it is with the expectation that people will look at it, link to it and reference it in other posts. It is not stealing it is called fair use.

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  62. "If you don't want people like Dirt to come and steal your blog posts use a blog you can set to private and invite your trusted friends. "

    I want people to hear my story. What i don't want, and what is truly frustrating, is my words are misconstrued and people start throwing daggers without even so much as a discussion before.

    I'm not upset I'm on here, I'm upset she didn't contact me to discuss first, but rather just went head first into one of her vicious anti-trans attacks. Now that it's been cleared up that I used the wrong title, what is there to discuss with this blog post? Absolutely nothing! Dirt is grasping at straws here, and running out of material. *Yawn*

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  63. @ Canadian March 16, 2011 11:55 AM

    "If you post material on the net it is with the expectation that people will look at it, link to it and reference it in other posts. It is not stealing it is called fair use."

    Very true, and there is that element of hope that people will do exactly that with respect and decency.

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  64. @

    "Very true, and there is that element of hope that people will do exactly that with respect and decency."

    Anyone with any experience with the net(which alot of these younger peeople have in abundance) know that if they post something it is out there for the world to see and comment on. Not every comment will be positive or "respectful". I guess it goes back to the issue of some people expecting to be validated for everything they do all of the time.
    If they aren't they jump to the conclusion that they are under attack , "not valued as a human being" or are being stalked. If you don't want people commenting on your choices on the internet then don't put yourself out there.

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  65. jj@7:36

    Okay, I do see your concern there, and having had a severe eating disorder for years I appreciate that you care so deeply about it. My problem was with the fact that the person you posted about was subsequently harrassed. And not even for being FTM but for having an eating disorder. They belitted him and ridiculed his struggle, saying maybe he should leave the whining for people with "real problems" Again, as someone who struggled with an eating disorder for years I take great offense to that.

    Also, while you're correct that eating disorders can be a result of female body hatred, it's not always the case. And even if it is, the eating disorder/body hatred is always, always a symptom f something else. And no, it's not the "male medical machine" or whatever Dirt is about to come back with.

    I do agree with your disgust at the "pro-ana" sites. I hate them too.

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  66. @Canadian

    Agreed, people on the internet tend to be rather cruel, and to expect otherwise is silly. But while I wouldn't say to take such things personally, I think it's still okay to note that something is pretty needlessly meanspirited (when it's needlessly meanspirited). While I try to identify when I'm being insulted, crying about it doesn't really advance anything at all.

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  67. @Nat
    "I think it's still okay to note that something is pretty needlessly meanspirited (when it's needlessly meanspirited). While I try to identify when I'm being insulted, crying about it doesn't really advance anything at all."

    Quite ironic of you I'd say.

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  68. @canadian

    I have checked if you were insulting me once. In order to check, because I wasn't sure, and I like to know who is hostile towards me. You cleared it up at the time. o_o Thank you.

    When I made the comment on sex-based jabs, I wasn't even talking about you. Anonymouses make them about Dirt, Dirt makes them about Anonymouses. But you seem to have jumped to a conclusion about me, and that is your right.

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  69. @ Mere 3:05pm

    I think you would have to agree with me that eating disorders are disproportionately a female disorder. Let's think about why that is?! Do I really need to elaborate to readers that eating disorders are a direct result of misogny & social standards set up for females?

    Which leads me to think that some research should be done on FTMS and eating disorders. If you do your own gathering of reasearch (searing the web, reading blogs of many FTMS (and butch girls) you will find that a overwhelming number of them also have problems with eating disorders. Which then again leads me to believe that part of the reason many of these young girls want to transition is due to female body hate- which again is a feminist issue as much as eating disorders in young girls is.

    Because I too am a woman, of course I know the pressures put on us to have a certain body.

    Of course I am in no way responsible for any hateful comments that this poster received due to my bringing attention to this issue. I have no control over others and their actions.

    I sincerely want this young person and all young persons with eating disorders AND gender identity / body hate issues to get professional help- which is why I was reaching out to the feminist community.

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  70. makes one wonder that since the same societal pressures are not placed on men's bodies to the degree they are on women- if that contributes to these young people wanting to transition.
    that and the fact that men get to mature slower, that's acceptable to society. that men get to sleep around and not be called sluts, etc. i could go on and on.
    it's really female body hate that is taught since birth that leads to this trend of transition.

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  71. "it's really female body hate that is taught since birth that leads to this trend of transition."

    hmm. could be. But then why aren't all girls transitioning? How do you explain that many women are comfortable BEING women? It can't just be that they are perfectly liberated. Do you think that perhaps they feel like women? I know I can't get anyone who posts here to describe what being a woman feels like to them. As apparently we have deconstructed gender exactly up to the point that we want...and no further. But this blog is not representational of the female population. There are many people here who are questioning their own internal gender.

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  72. The same reason all girls arent anorexics, every female deals with internalized misogyny in her own way based on societal, familial and religious influences.

    dirt

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  73. "The same reason all girls arent anorexics, every female deals with internalized misogyny in her own way based on societal, familial and religious influences."

    Still not satisfied. I think that there may be people who *actually* feel like women, despite everyone on this list claiming that there is no possible way to feel that. You all represent a very select group of people who also (along with transmen)never "felt" like women. So if we all accept that we were born female, and some of us diet obsessively to reduce our lady-style fat, and some of us work out obsessively to make our "breast" appear smaller, and some of pass as men because we wear men's clothes and keep our hair short and some of us naturally have a higher testosterone level and deeper voices, and some of us reduce our "breast" surgically, and some of us add hormones...I think you are defending an ever-shrinking piece of real-estate. Why not embrace being female, with all of it's natural lovely curves, flaunt your breasts, get pregnant... etc. It's surely more radical to take on the world in that manner (as my wife will attest) than it is to lambast people on the flip-side of a very thin dime.

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  74. 11:31
    i think your comment belongs more in the recent '50's housewives' post
    that's radical, huh? emulating the hetero babymaking marriage structure
    i've always considered ftm's more conservative than average; i'm frustrated by their common claims of being progressive

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  75. to anon @ 11.31

    "You all represent a very select group of people who also (along with transmen)never "felt" like women."

    How presumptious of you. I didn't "feel" like a woman growing up- sure. Because I didn't WANT to be a woman in this world that I observed around me. Because it was clear to me from age 3 on- that how women were treated was not how I wanted to be treated. I totally remember men being treated as to what I preceived in my small little child eyes as being better than how the girls were treated. And I wanted that- I saw myself as deserving that.

    Guess what tho? I totally "feel" like a woman today. Even tho I totally could 'pass' everyday if I so choose. I 'felt' like a woman once I decided to accept life on life's terms. Reality for reality. And choosing to fight the things I hated growing up, instead of conforming my body and mind to them. This "feeling" of being a woman now- it's amazingly radical, let me tell ya.
    It's radical when I get to correct people everyday that call me 'sir'. When I was younger, even up in my 20's I was thrilled when people called me sir by mistake. I was like filled with a ego boost thinking myself better for being able to fool this world I'm forced to live in with it's gender norms. Now - when I correct them, you can see it in their faces. The thought pattern. The possibility that I'm actually changing how they view gender. It's awesome and radical.

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  76. @JJ

    So right!

    I would like to see a trans'man' .... ANY Trans'man' explain to me in what ways, their experience was any different to what you just detailed above ...

    .... apart from the fact that they decided to perpetuate gender bias rather than distort it.

    I'm not a butch, but butch women are some of the bravest people in this constructed society!!

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  77. Little known fact - Steroid (sex) hormones are routinely prescribed in the context of a family planning clinic. It is not necessary to have a physician involved. Those who seek sex hormones without mental health 'services' can obtain them by finding a sympathetic practitioner at a family planning clinic. However, many family planning practitioners are not, in fact, sympathetic, especially in 'conservative' localities.

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