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Friday, March 11, 2011

Lyon Martin Health Services Not Very Lyon-Martinesque




This from a recent editorial from Mills "womans" college regarding the Lyon Martin Health Services. LMHS's has been trying to raise money so that it can continue to dole out "hassle free" drugs and mutilations to those in need. Mind you this health service was originally founded to help lesbians and specifically named after the feminist lesbian couple Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon.

From the LMHS website:
Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon were NOT "well known "LGBTQ activists", they were/are well known FEMINIST LESBIAN activist! Yet another radical lesbian couple who history, commitment to lesbians and lesbian feminism has been swallowed up and revisionized  by the "queer" alphabet soup and whose name is being used to commit some of the most misogynistic lezbophobic brutalities against the vulnerable.

If we do not stand up against this unremitting lesbian revisionism that has taken place since postmodernism birthed queer theory, the little we have left of a lesbian history is going to be permanently erased and replaced.

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  1. Uh, Dirt? Where in the article does it say that "mutilations" were "doled out?"

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  2. why are FTM's going to a women's college anyway??? if they want to be men so bad- start acting like men & stay out of colleges for women.

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  3. They probably began as women and then transitioned while in school.

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  4. look it should be like any respected sport. you can't play as a woman in the olympics if you T it up. why- CUZ ITS NOT FAIR TO THE OTHER WOMEN.

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  5. There are around 60 women's colleges left in the U.S. There were thousands in the early 1960s. They played a key role in the first wave of American feminism. They educated the first wave of American women who were able to support themselves professionally, refuse marriage (to a man), and set up a "Boston marriage" with a "dear friend." They have disproportionately educated a large number of women leaders. And they are very, very dyke friendly. Great places for lesbians to get a top notch education, make friends and lovers for life, network, etc.

    The men's rights people hate Women's colleges for all those reasons. How dare those b••••s do all that book learning with no menz around! Without having to defer to the frat boys and football players. With all that attention and all those resources devoted exclusively to women. Oh, the horror! It's, it's discrimination! (Even there are over 2,000 co-ed colleges and universities, so no one is losing out on an education because of the few remaining women colleges).

    We lost Wells College in upstate NY despite near 100% student and alumnae opposition complete with sit ins.

    In reality all this has nothing to do with discrimination. It's wanting to end a choice for women. Even though there is plenty of student choice. Even though there are even two men's colleges left. Morehouse, a traditionally black men's college, and one in Indiana. But few men demonstrate any interest in going.

    I think the FtMs are part of this general strategy to phase out Women's colleges. Plus, since Women's colleges are highly competitive, every trans person replaces a very intelligent, ambitious woman (very likely a lesbian) who could have enrolled instead.

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  6. Hmm. Just remembered. Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon...they're the ones who wrote that book. "Sappho was a Right On Member of the LGBTQ Community." Yea, that was it....

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  7. Yeah, you got it. I transitioned so I could shut down women's colleges.

    Guess I'll have to get ANOTHER graduate degree now at some women's college...

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  8. lol that must be so embarrassing, being an FTM with a degree from a womens college...guess you don't hang that up LOL

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  9. dirt - if you want to be taken seriously you might start by allowing all the RESPECTFUL comments that actually address this situation instead of ONLY allowing rude, angry comments that you can make fun of. It doesn't do much for your claim that you're trying to educate or help your cause.

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  10. Anon@5:04 - That's right. That diploma ends up in a cardboard box along with her Brownie uniform and Girl Scout("inside I always felt like a boy scout")sash with all those hard-earned badges.

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  11. This is the closest post to a Women's Month appropriate post. Even though it goes back to the usual crap. We should be celebrating Women's accomplishments this month.

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  12. I dont know about you transMAN, but WE did.

    dirt

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  13. silverside - there were 200 women's colleges in the 1960s, not "thousands" and the primary reason for the decline, was declining enrollment, not FTMS. Can't blame EVERYTHING on us. Most transmen wouldn't WANT to go to a women's college, I know I wouldn't. There are far more that wouldn't than would.

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  14. I'm a little surprised dirt - that you would give only negative attention to the crisis that Lyon Martin Health Services is in. I realize that you despise trans people, and the fact that they treat trans people, but they also provide top notch healthcare for women, predominately lesbian women. You'd let them go under and throw lesbians under the bus just to make a statement against the trans community. Then again, I don't know how much help you could be considering the very negative nature of your blog - any cause/establishment/group you promoted would likely fall on deaf ears for anyone outside your little fan club. It's sad that you've hurt your own cause by making yourself a villain - you could have had so much bigger impact if you fought your fight with some dignity.

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  15. Trust me Dirt I have and always do. I am open FTM trans and I am deeply involved in the women's center on my campus.

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  16. What a shame 10, but not at all surprising. So much for womens spaces and respecting womens spaces.

    dirt

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  17. Transman10 said...I am open FTM trans and I am deeply involved in the women's center on my campus.

    Yeah, we know, you need your mommies to keep wiping your butt and patting you on the head. Go be with men, that's what you wanted, you got it, now get out there and prove that you're a man and not a whiny little baby at momma's teat. IT'S A WOMEN'S CENTER YOU COMPLETE IDIOT AND YOU'RE JUST ONE MORE MAN MUCKING IT UP!!!!!

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  18. Make up your minds! Are we men, or women?

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  19. Once on T, you are neither. You're a female who most likely passes as male and lives a male role. As such you do not belong in womens spaces.

    dirt

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  20. "You're a female who most likely passes as male and lives a male role."

    Except we somehow have NO idea what it means to be male and can have no claim to the word male, even though we are treated as male every day. Our experience is completely invalid. According to a bunch of angry lesbians who feel the need to protect the boundaries of malehood. Huh. Strange days....

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  21. "Transman10 said...

    Trust me Dirt I have and always do. I am open FTM trans and I am deeply involved in the women's center on my campus.
    "

    For god's sake, why are you invading women spaces? Do you think you will receive an approval or a medal because you are too sissy to go out and play with the real world (and guys and straight women). You are insulting: we don't need you, "Sisters can do it for themselves!", you remember?

    So quit this women's center NOW!

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  22. Evidence the Dirt doesn't care about lesbian spaces anymore. This centre MAINLY treats the lesbian community!!

    Here is a site showing the proof of Dirt's uncaring nature.

    http://onlinehaters.blogspot.com/

    Just take a look people, please don't blindly follow a person with so much hate that it has now clouded her original cause.

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  23. " This centre MAINLY treats the lesbian community!! "

    That is simply not true. Only 40% of clients are non-hetero female, mostly bisexual. Do your research before spouting your bullshit.

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  24. "This centre MAINLY treats the lesbian community!! "

    No.
    It doesn't.
    You are a damned liar.

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  25. Yes please keep avoiding the matter that Dirt is a compulsive uncaring liar.

    I don't care if this is mainly a lesbian centre or not. Trans is only a small part of the centre but because people who are trans are at the centre she wants it to go down!! The site I have found is trying to do something positive for it and show Dirt's callous beaviour.

    Evidence the Dirt doesn't care about lesbian spaces anymore. This centre MAINLY treats the lesbian community!!

    Here is a site showing the proof of Dirt's uncaring nature.

    http://onlinehaters.blogspot.com/

    Just take a look people, please don't blindly follow a person with so much hate that it has now clouded her original cause.

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  26. Loretta W spends saturday nite spewing bald faced lies and spamming and pimping her shitty-ass blog all over Dirt's site, then sunday morning she goes to church. What a lying hypocrite.

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  27. "I don't care if this is mainly a lesbian centre or not. "

    Well there ya go. Obviously you don't. And you hate that Lesbians DO CARE. You hate lesbians.

    YOU ARE the onlinehater.

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  28. Now who is the the liar... I dont know a Loretta!!!!!!!!! Wowzer you are a paranoid lot. Again still doesnt damper the facts Dirt is an uncaring horrible monster... Just click like for proof. Instead of helping a place that treats a hell of a lot of women she decided to kick it while it was down.

    Evidence the Dirt doesn't care about lesbian spaces anymore. This centre MAINLY treats the lesbian community!!

    Here is a site showing the proof of Dirt's uncaring nature.

    http://onlinehaters.blogspot.com/

    Just take a look people, please don't blindly follow a person with so much hate that it has now clouded her original cause.

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  29. Oh right it's Morgan Carlson now, not Lorretta. Well you've made it perfectly clear that you don't care about lesbians getting healthcare, or any other kind of help. Thanks for dropping by to share your hatred of lesbians. Nicely done. Mission accomplished. We get it. You don't give a flying fuck about lesbians. We got it the first time you posted.

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  30. What the hell is a "lesbian believing" center?
    Obviously you are not a lesbian. Which is no great surprise because we already have established that you are a liar.

    "The twister of words is the low form defense."
    I'd say outright lying is the lowest.

    "Evidence the Dirt doesn't care about lesbian spaces anymore. This centre MAINLY treats the lesbian community!! "
    See, you're still doing it. Still lying and spreading hate against lesbians.

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  31. "Just take a look people, please don't blindly follow a person with so much hate that it has now clouded her original cause."

    Like most fanatics, I think Lynn long since lost sight of her original intent and vision. I believe the needed hysterectomy a woman or Lesbian may not get is the cost of doing business for Lynn due to her tunnel vision regarding the female to male community. I find this disheartening and unfortunate. I believe she needs to step back and re-evaluate what is important to her. It clearly has changed over the years.

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  32. ""This centre MAINLY treats the lesbian community!! "

    http://www.lyon
    martin.org/aboutUs.php

    Actually here are the numbers broken down on Lyons website..

    Today, Lyon-Martin provides primary and preventive healthcare services to around 2,500 patients. Currently, 39% of our patients are people of color; 14% are transgender and 41% self-identify as lesbian or bisexual; 84% live below 200% of the federal poverty level and 14% are homeless. Fifty-eight percent of our patents' appointments address mental health needs

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  33. That's right. No longer a lesbian clinic. 60% hetero or male. That's the whole point of Dirt's post. Reading comprehension fail liar and "onlinehater". Blame your lack of sleep and dysfunctional emotional state all you want. The truth remains you came on here lying and spewing your anti-lesbian hate.

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  34. "Your actually a vile human being"
    Wow. I am? Just for pointing out your lies? You don't even know me except for the fact that I'm willing to call out a lesbophobic liar. Yet I'm "vile". Makes more sense now why you think it's so awful for lesbians to mourn the cooptation of a lesbian-centric health clinic by heteros and males. Because you think lesbians (and honest people apparently) are "vile". What a hater you are, calling people vile human beings because they know better than to believe your lies.

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  35. Ok sickie whatever you say. It's just great to you that a clinic set up for lesbians now serves a majority hetero and male population.
    And you lied and lied about that fact, even after your lies were pointed out to you.

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  36. You've not got my point yet have you. When Dirt's lies are pointed out, the posts go poof. I was directing you to a site that had proof that Dirt deletes things because they don't go with her agenda.

    You are smart... How did you not see what I was doing.

    If we turn our backs on the lesbians that need help then we are like the hetero world, that tries to ignore us.
    Sometimes things change for better or for worse, that sometimes can't be stopped. But we can make a difference in that we won't turn our backs on them.

    And you know I'm not Loretta. Dirt knows also, she can see my IP but I think she is enjoying the drama so won't correct you.

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  37. I thought you had no idea who Lorretta was?

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  38. One lie after another.

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  39. Yes yes everyone's a vile human being and lesbians should be grateful for whatever scraps are left over after heteros and males take over our clinic.
    Thanks a bunch learned a lot.
    Begone now hater.

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  40. That is all I need. Thank you for playing into my hands with every comment. I learned a lot too. The darkside of the lesbian community I have very rarely step foot in. This will be used at my local LGBT group, then printed and published.

    This will create a heated disscussion I am sure but hopefully we will come to a positive outlook.

    I hope you find peace within yourself. Take care.

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  41. Ok loony troll. You're far too clever for me the way I played into your every plan with my comments. Good luck with the LGBT group you rarely set foot into and the publishing and all. You might want to contact the UN as well. And call the president's home number. You've certainly torn the lid off this whole lesbians complaining about our resources being taken over by heteros and men thing. Silly us. Kudos.

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  42. @anon 5:09
    "That is all I need. Thank you for playing into my hands with every comment."

    You realize you sound like a ludicrous supervillain blog troll, right? 'Today, trick an anonymous commenter into making my elusive case. Next, THE BLOGOSPHERE!'
    I know I make my fair share of terribly worded comments... but that's incredibly silly.

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  43. “I guess the community loves us,” Winter says, noting that men, women, and transgender people have all opened their checkbooks for Lyon-Martin. “But it’s a wake-up call for all LGBT clinics. We have to work together and donate together to keep services like this around.”

    speaks volumes doesn't it?

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  44. "In 1990, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Northern California awarded the couple with its highest honor, the Earl Warren Civil Liberties Award. In 1995, Senator Dianne Feinstein named Martin, and Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi named Lyon, as delegates to the White House Conference on Aging, where they made headlines by using their moment at the podium to remind the 125,000 attendees that Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender people grow old, too, and must be included explicitly in aging policies".

    Inclusive and non judgemental. What amazing women.

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  45. @Anon March 13, 2011 4:54 AM

    "Yes yes everyone's a vile human being and lesbians should be grateful for whatever scraps are left over after heteros and males take over our clinic".

    You don't like men accessing the clinics services? What about gay men?

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  46. The place was founded by lesbians for lesbians, why would lesbians think "gay men" should be included in that?

    dirt

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  47. Because not all lesbians are radical separatists like you, Dirt?

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  48. Dirt- March 13, 2011 10:52 AM: "The place was founded by lesbians for lesbians, why would lesbians think "gay men" should be included in that?"

    So how come Del Martin who this centre was named after along with her partner Phyllis Lyon said this.....

    Del Martin identified her own legacy in 1984 when she said that her most important contribution was "being able to help make changes in the way Lesbians and Gay men view themselves and how the larger society views Lesbians and Gay men." She had the courage to be true to herself when the world offered only condemnation for Lesbians. Martin showed all of us how to have what she called "self-acceptance and a good sense of my own self-worth." Del Martin never backed down from her insistence on full equality for all people and, even at 87 years old, she kept moving all of us closer to her ideal.

    Yes they were feminists and lesbians but they were also inclusive and non judgemental. The work that this clinic does would have made them proud.

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  49. Advocating for lesbian health, isnt "making judgements", might wanna step back, do some self reflection on why you feel threatened and judged simply because I as a lesbian, called attention to the fact that a womans college editorialized a health service facility which was founded by lesbians but which are now less than half the patients able to utilize the once lesbian facility.

    As well as call attention to a once lesbian facility that is giving transition drugs and surgery to men and women without those men and women having been seen by medical professionals versed in the trans disorder(per current notions of transition).

    dirt

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  50. There is nothing in this blog that remotely resembles "separatism", clearly you not only know zip about this blog, you also know zip about separatism.

    dirt

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  51. "without those men and women having been seen by medical professionals"

    This makes no sense.. Lyon Martin Health Services is made of of medical professionals. Both on the mental health side and medical side.

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  52. Del Martin was an advocate for lesbian AND gay men, therefore, why would a clinic named after her NOT be able to treat gay men?

    Also, Dirt, to quote you.. "that is giving transition drugs and surgery to men and women without those men and women having been seen by medical professionals versed in the trans disorder(per current notions of transition).

    YET.....
    The Lyon Martin Health Services:

    http://www.lyon-martin.org/transgender.php

    say...

    "Because of widespread discrimination and misunderstanding, transgender people often avoid healthcare. At Lyon-Martin, we have created a trans-affirmative environment that encourages patients to develop an ongoing relationship WITH ONE OF OUR TRANSGENDER SPECIALISTS that goes beyond just getting hormones and looks at all of their health and wellness needs."

    So, they do have medical specialists in Transgender care?

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  53. The fast track to transition is not only irresponsible, it is medically unethical as has been stated here by plenty of trans people themselves.

    You may not like the truth ally, but the truth is this is yet another place that has been colonized by trans and non lesbians, FROM lesbians.

    And I as a lesbian have a right and a responsibility to make other lesbians aware of this as they have the right to know just where their donations might go. Some lesbians may not have a problem with donating to LMHS, but since a lesbian was upset enough to email me all the info in hopes of bringing this issue to a larger audience, some lesbians DO and WILL have a problem.

    Transparency is the issue, I understand the trans minded have a problem with transparency, but that is YOUR problem, NOT mine.

    dirt

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  54. you still haven't answered my question Dirt....

    "Del Martin was an advocate for lesbian AND gay men, therefore, why would a clinic named after her NOT be able to treat gay men?"

    please tell me what you have against them treating gay men?

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  55. Ally, as the website alone states: "Lyon-Martin Health Services was founded in 1979 by a group of medical providers and health activists as clinic for lesbians who lacked access to nonjudgmental, affordable health care". That help hun?

    dirt

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  56. Was a long time ago 1979...times have changed, progress has been made, there is a necessity to move with the times.

    Have you considered that providing healthcare solely for Lesbians might have restricted funding sources?

    Opening out the facilities to the whole LGBT community also brings more funding opportunities.

    Surely the most important factor in all of this is to ensure the centre remains open?

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  57. Al,

    The present has NEVER been an automatic for "progress", read your Santayana r better yet talk to an American Indian.

    It is important for any place that services lower income people to remain open, sadly due to corporate "progress", such places have become largely a thing of that past which you seem disgusted by.

    It is equally important that lower income minorities, such as lesbians, are informed about potential places they might like to donate the limited money they have so that their (usually) small contribution can best benefit them/other lesbians as a minority group.

    Given that Mtfs are notorious for the male privileges they accumulated up to transition (and many even after), one such perk, they make more money than women, and even more than women minorities, perhaps since you seem so concerned, you should spend some time taking donations from them for LMHS? I'm sure they would just LOVE to help out.

    You should also be hitting up all the ftMs who now have all those male privileges and financial perks over lesbians for some serious coin as well.

    I've no doubt Al between the two you could easily get a cool million in no time flat and help keep the LMHS open for many years to come.

    good luck on your quest!

    dirt

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  58. hmmm, why would I be disgusted by the past? I come from the past as we all do. I am proud of my past. Seems a strange thing to say.

    Do you have evidence for your statements that MtFs and FtMs earn more money? Or is that an assumption?

    It's only Lesbians that are a minority and have a lower income? Where do you get that information from?

    I think regardless of that the Lyon Martin Health Service would be delighted to receive any donations from any donor regardless of gender/sexuality to enable their services to continue to enable them to continue their good work.

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  59. Al,

    Did you read the article from today?

    dirt

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  60. "Anonymous said...
    Oh right it's Morgan Carlson now, not Lorretta. Well you've made it perfectly clear that you don't care about lesbians getting healthcare, or any other kind of help. Thanks for dropping by to share your hatred of lesbians. Nicely done. Mission accomplished. We get it. You don't give a flying fuck about lesbians. We got it the first time you posted."

    You are not fooling anyone Dirt.. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows you are the *anon* behind this and the other posts screaming about the onlinehaters.blogspot.com posts.

    Who else would come out with there claws out and start accusing left and right?

    Lynn = AKA Dirt = AKA Anon

    (anon whenever it suits you and you don't want anyone to know it is you who said it.)

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  61. dirt
    March 13, 2011 5:51 PM
    "Al,
    Did you read the article from today?"

    yup, sure did. All about sexual equality, between men and women.

    thing that confuses me though Dirt, is that you have said that FtMs aren't men, and MtFs aren't women.

    So, really if we work on your theories/assumptions then those figures are only about....and I can't say it here....but it begins with 'c'.... gendered men and women.

    You really can't have it both ways.

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  62. Al,

    Obviously biologically they arent and never will be. But biological men profit from their biology and so do legal females who drug and mutilate themselves to pass as "men", so whats your point?

    We have read enough comments here alone from trans(men) who have bragged about their new found male privilege and the perks that privilege entails.

    Surely if you're trans you are well aware of how you were treated as a woman, as opposed to how you are treated now if you pass as a "man".

    Denying male privilege only illustrates your pathological misogyny within and without.

    dirt

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  63. Actually, I am not treated any differently. Perhaps it's different in the UK compared to the USA?

    I am treated with the same respect as I was as a woman.

    I don't expect to be treated differently either.

    I think you and I are of a similar age. I am 46 next month. I lived as a woman for 44 years. So I guess I am pretty well versed on how it feels to be a woman.

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  64. As a Butch I dont expect to be treated differently but what I expect and what others do are two very different things.

    dirt

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  65. Being active in Women's Centers is not invading women's space. They encourage everyone to help out. It takes everyone to make a change. You don't have to identify as a women to care about women. There are twenty guys on my campus who are active at the women's center.
    ( I would have responded earlier but I was helping with an event and studying for exams.)

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