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Tuesday, March 8, 2011

Fear and Hate in the FTM community

This from the same list as the last post...Along with a slew of other posts regarding contacting their lawyers about what can be "done" about this blog, there was this choice post. This is the level of fear and paranoia reigning supreme in trans communities everywhere, realtime and online. It also speaks volumes about anyone (once this disorder is in full swing) who gets in their way by introducing reality. The trans mind doesnt take too kindly to reality, it fears it and hates it like a rabid dog a kick. And as we see here with regularity they rabidly come out growling, barking and snapping with viciousness.

A few sources that honestly disseminate truthful information on how the trans disorder develops, on how and why the male medical machine profits from this disorder, on the brutalizing unhealthy reality of trans surgeries which shorten each individual life and the many problems and potentially and sometimes life threatening problems from relying on a lifetime of fake hormones at levels not natural to the body they are being injected into and these according to the trans mind is a "hate crime" deserving of prosecution!

It is a shame these younger female transitioners cannot remember the Silence=Death campaign against the AIDS epidemic. While it didnt affect the lesbian community in the same life threatening way it did the gay community, lesbians were shouting from the rooftops none the less with our gay brothers about how to prevent AIDS. And gay men with HIV or AIDS were coming out in droves even though it risked their jobs, their medical insurances and their close relationships, because there was something bigger at stake, something many knew they would never live to see. They knew while a cure may still be decades away, those at risked most (the young and impulsive) needed to be educated so future lives full of stigma and deaths could be prevented.

Posts like the above prove the trans community both male and female are much more concerned with perpetuating the trans disorder, rather than preventing it.

dirt

ps To quote Fish "this is no place for children".
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  1. Gosh, Dirt, you could have posted about today being the 100th anniversary of International Women's Day, but you post this crap instead.

    Your priorities are women, huh? Not FTMs? Doesn't look that way...

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  2. Female transitioners ARE FEMALES, so what better thing to post about, the harmful effects of transition upon females and the disordered thinking by those females suffering from the trans disorder that causes them to perpetuate this disorder among other females.

    That though the blur of your disorder you cannot see that, is understandable, but NOT acceptable.

    dirt

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  3. Dirt, you had to deceitfully gain access to that group. It is a private mail group which is membership based. The questions they asked you when you applied leads me to believe you lied to gain access. Unlike your blog, the private forum is not open for all to see. They have forums like this on the internet for many topics. Rape survivors use forums. Trauma survivors use forums. For some who live in remote areas this is the only support available to them. And yes there are forums for hobbies and other interest groups as well.

    I am a member of the group you are stealing this information from.

    Shame on you!!

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  4. So you stand there with glee because you have bullied and intimidated someone into leaving a private support group you had no business being in? This is what you are proud of?

    It is people like you who whittle away at the rights of others by proxy of limitations and laws being added.

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  5. I do support you Lynn. It is women's day today and it makes me proud to see you are standing here against those haters and you fight for all women including those cult members! They will thank you in 10 years from now.

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  6. Last I checked NOTHING is private on the internet. And I wasnt asked a single question when I joined that group. If you're disseminating useful information on helping girls and women learn to love their female minds and bodies, clearly there would be no need for the cloak and dagger and according to you now the secret knocks on the door.

    There is nothing new in the secrecy from the trans community, long before there was the internet as we know it, autogynephiles used an underground snail mail system to pass information from autogyne to autogyne so that each would know exactly what to say to the doctor who would dole out drugs and surgeries. Sound familiar?

    Well sixty plus years on, it is about time the veil is removed from the trans community, especially since that community has attached itself to the gay and lesbian community. So as a member of the gLbt, looks like I have every right to your GLBT group and every right to discuss what goes on there.

    If you have nothing to hide and transition is the Heaven the trans community claims it is, why wouldn't you want the whole world to know?

    Interesting too that you consider transition to be as traumatic as rape. If transition creates such "trauma" for the victim, why are you perpetuating it?

    dirt

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  7. "Anonymous said...
    I do support you Lynn. It is women's day today and it makes me proud to see you are standing here against those haters and you fight for all women including those cult members! They will thank you in 10 years from now.

    March 8, 2011 2:58 PM"

    I think you have this bass ackwards. The group she deceitfully got the info from is a very mature and gentle group of people. They are not haters and just wanted to be left alone in peace in a private membership group. If those were your posts which were deceitfully snagged, you would be angry too. Rightfully so.

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  8. "Interesting too that you consider transition to be as traumatic as rape. If transition creates such "trauma" for the victim, why are you perpetuating it?"

    it is amazing how you twist things around. I was talking about forums and egroups being used with private settings for SAFE SUPPORT without worrying about someone like you coming in and unraveling that safety. No different than your butch-femme blog you have/had set to private settings. You do this for a reason.

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  9. This video summarises everything about transguys and shows transition solves nothing:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM1rTPYZWbw&feature=relmfu

    @ time code 4:25, quoting this guy:
    "what am I doing, what am I doing with my life. I have no career. I am trans. And I feel like I don't have an adult identity yet..."

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  10. A "gentle group" perpetuating female self hatred, now I've heard everything! Oh your arm graph "penis" is rotting off your body? Just give it a few days and you'll be fine"!

    I cant even count the number of times females on this group were in DIRE need of medical attention and the "support" given is "oh that happens its no big deal"!

    That isnt support, it is perpetuating ignorance and taking advantage of vulnerable females! Enabling isnt a fucking solution, its a fucking problem!

    dirt

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  11. @ Anon 3:28

    This summarizes NOTHING about transguys. If you took out the trans part, this would be just another video of a person in their 30's who is having an occupational/fiscal crisis because the economy is in the shitter. The poor guy has a LOT of shit going on in his life, and being trans isn't what's bringing him down.

    Nobody thinks that T will solve everything, all your problems. It just makes you into a visible man. ALL your other problems remain the same. Nobody is in denial about this.

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  12. I cannot agree with transitioners, (male or female) to encourage other young people to transition from the get-go. Just because it worked for you, doesn't mean it'll work for most. No one should WANT to be trans. They should want to feel comfortable in their own skin. Heck, passing is only a perk in that effect. Why should it matter if society sees you as a man or a woman? I realize pronouns are important, but anyone who matters to the individual would know this.

    That being said, while I don't agree with your methods of bringing the situation to light, I do agree that it *DOES* need to be. A kid shouldn't transition because he/she doesn't like wearing dresses/suits/whatever. A kid shouldn't even consider transition because of the way society is treating them in their biological sex. Society is dumb, and you'll likely be just as happy challenging its' strict gender roles without injecting yourself full of hormones. Again, there's no such thing as men's cloths or women's cloths. Only what society deems as such. Wear and act however the crap you want!

    That being said, there are individuals that do have valid reasons for transitioning. Who spend several years in therapy before any hormone treatment happens. Who try and try to be comfortable in their own skin, but when they look in the mirror, they see a stranger. Which is why transitioning shouldn't be taken lightly, because several of these kids that transition because of society's gender norms will just feel like a genuine trans person *before* they transitioned.

    That's just my take on the whole thing, anyway. Some folks that transitioned for their own reasons and are perfectly happy. Which is great! But that doesn't mean every young individual transitions for the right reasons. Quite the opposite honestly.

    While I've struggled with my own gender issues, my best friend who just happens to be trans reacted the exact opposite of these kids.

    "Well, yeah, you *could* be trans, but it could also be this, or this, or...Maybe it's a biological imbalance that's making you miserable..." Ect, ect. But he also tends to avoid the queer community, so perhaps that helps his opinion a bit. He's a great guy, and the way he treats me makes me content with being a total genderfuck to society for now.

    P.S, it makes me sad how the FTM community reacts to this blog. Lawyers? Really? Dirt has the right to free speech, just as anyone else. It's just blogspot. If you don't like what you read, go look for something else instead of getting offended. Not everyone is gonna agree with you. I'm fairly sure most of you had experienced that in reality when you came out to family/friends, but a single butch lesbian's blog affects you in such a way? You gals/guys are stronger then that. Come on!

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  13. And what exactly is a "visible" man? I get mistaken daily as male, like many Butches, yet I'm still obviously a woman. Please explain.

    dirt

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  14. "It just makes you into a visible man"

    Look at this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buGBbV0uSbI @ time code 0:37, she looks visibly like a woman who has a low voice and a massec. Nothing masculine about her. At best, she is more butch than trans. transition is not for everyone. Sometimes it makes a visible circus freak medical experiment.

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  15. Kale,

    To date there is no developed therapy that specifically deals with the trans disorder and its development. So one cannot legitimately claim that therapy doesnt work and they need to transition.

    I hope to have a solid beginning to trans therapy developed by the end of summer.

    dirt

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  16. Anon@4:29

    She looks like a dyke, nothing like a Butch at all.

    dirt

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  18. @Dirt "She looks like a dyke".

    Do you have any idea why she may go through all those stuff: surgery, T just to look like a dyke? I mean: if nobody see visible changes why is this person damaging her body with T?
    Based on your own experience, do you have any idea why women who enter into transition still go on even if the "visible results" are not there?

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  19. "I hope to have a solid beginning to trans therapy developed by the end of summer."

    Your a therapist?

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  20. i don't think it's any coincidence that butch dykes have all but disappeared, while this trans trend has exploded.
    as a adult butch, i can honestly say that was i given the easy opportunity to try T, i would of tried it. and i would of regretted it as a adult.

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  21. Dirt said...
    Yes I am.

    dirt

    and your liscense number is?

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  22. Anon@4:40

    Because she's convinced herself she's "a man" and rather than deal with why she hates herself as a woman, like most trans minded she dove in head first.

    In all likelihood if on T long enough, 3-5 years, she masculinize, rapidly age and bald and become passable as a middle aged male.

    dirt

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  23. dirtywhiteboii67@yahoo.com

    I'm working with several young women now, but I will gladly make time for you if you like.

    dirt

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  24. Butch@4:47

    We havent disappeared, we've went underground along with Femmes. More and more due to the co-opting of Butch/Femme spaces by trans and queers, actual Butches and Femmes have went back to what we did in the 40s and 50s when it was dangerous for us, we meet in private settings and homes.

    dirt

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  25. @Dirt

    Yep, exactly. Which is why they shouldn't let a professional decide for them. While therapy might help a little for some, the only person that can really decide for you is yourself. Not the guy in the suit that's making money off of you.

    I definitely think there should be a specific developed therapy for trans folks. If anything, it'll hopefully convince the younger kids that hating dresses and playing football are not valid reasons for cutting off your breasts. Girls are beautiful, no matter their interests or choice of clothing. Just because society things you should cover your face in makeup and dress scantily clad and weigh 80 lb's or less to look attractive and succeed as a woman, does not make it fact.

    Again, society is dumb, and will continue to be dumb as long as this is the case.

    so...Since when did we start listening to dumb people?

    (Sheesh, am I ever long-winded today.)

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  26. "In all likelihood if on T long enough, 3-5 years, she masculinize, rapidly age and bald and become passable as a middle aged male."

    Yep likely but it is a pity to ruin her life and her youth just to become a middle aged guy.
    It sounds awful!
    I fear that sometimes those women think it is not so cool to be butch so they jump on the transwagon, they look trendy first, are the center of attention of their local community and then 4-5 years later, they look as they had jumped in an ageing machine and they don't look so cool anymore...And do not even pass enough as queer people to go to lgbtqi bars/centers...
    A choice you do when you are young and a student can sometimes makes your life harder when being a normal adult with people less opened than your own generation at work.
    What do you think?

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  27. I just watched a few videos from the person referred to at 3:28
    I watched the most recent ones and two of the first ones, only a year ago
    What a massive and heartbreaking change

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  28. Everything is said in her first one:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/committedtomars#p/u/61/7bxwCbTX_U4

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  29. Woa, when we compare the FTM given by Anon 4:29 PM with the one given by Anon 3:28, you really see women are not equal on T: the first one, even after one year on T, looks like a female butch whereas the last one, with 10 months on T, looks more masculinised.

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  30. I find it curious that so many of these comments on this blog seem to be along the lines of ridiculing videos of people on T. I mean, I see commenters saying they look like dykes/short and bald and hairy/have girly eyes/other descriptors. Does it really matter to the dialogue what they look like? They could look like masculine women or feminine men or androgynous androgynes and I just don't see how poking fun at that is worthwhile.
    You can, and do, disagree with their choices, fair enough, there are people who disagree with anything you can think of. I just don't see any productivity or positivity of any kind coming from mocking ftm transitioners.

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  31. the info you have "stolen" wether it was from a forum (im assuming is secured), or wether it you own made up bullshit, either way from now on who i hear people talk shit about u i wont stand up for you, i had respect for your "cause" no matter how messed up it was, i respected your right to oppinion, but now im seeing you as a predator... SO you say we are females, you cant complain bout us accessing lesbian services or lesbian places...

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  32. Nat, Females arent "masculine", because a female doesnt subscribe to patriarchal hyper femininity, doesnt mean she is "masculine".

    dirt

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  33. Our of fear, Trans(men) have and remain accessing womens spaces, it is nothing new.

    dirt

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  34. I'll leave you in your misery. You obviously have it bad enough Dirt, without being threatened by truths you can't risk hearing.

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  35. "it is about time the veil is removed from the trans community, especially since that community has attached itself to the gay and lesbian community. So as a member of the gLbt, looks like I have every right to your GLBT group and every right to discuss what goes on there. "

    early on in your blog you contradict yourself with this. You make it clear you are a Radical Feminist Butch Lesbian and do not consider yourself a part of the LGBT community. In fact, you are adamant about this. So which is it? Whatever is convienient depending on what you are arguing?

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  36. It makes sense that a group of such conservative conformist people such as ftms would want to go running illogically to authority figures when someone says something they don't like. Unfortunately for them, women still have a right to free speech.
    This reminds me of the ftm young woman who pissed and moaned all up and down this blog, and tran forums, and youtube about how she was going to sue Dirt for posting her pic on the "who is transitioning". Well damn one day i went and googled ftm top surgery images to find a link to send to a friend and who do I see plastered all over the first two pages (top searches) of images? That SAME whiner that went around crying at having her picture posted. Total hypocrites these girls are.

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  37. Dirt,

    It must be hard parading ignorance as feminism. You are not a feminist, you are a bigot.

    On international women's day you insist on posting about ftms. These people do not identify as women. Why the altruistic crusade? Why the fascination? The obsession?

    Are you frightened that your archaic notions of determinism are going to die with your generation of dykes? Queer theory and queer politics are being embraced by the youth. We don't hate we welcome everybody.

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  38. Anon@9:56,

    Obviously thats already be asked and answered, please keep up.

    dirt

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  39. Anon@8:37

    Its works for the ftMs.

    dirt

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  40. @Dirt 10:05

    No you have never answered this. You dance around the issue, throwing around your favourite phrases to save the day: The male medical machine etc.

    Tell me how you counter claims that transphobia uses the same arguments that homophobes use against you. How do you feel when somebody says: there are no such thing as lesbians, it is unnatural for you to act this way, it's unnatural to feel what you feel?

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  41. I "dance around" nothing. Lesbians do not take drugs or hack off healthy body parts to be lesbians. Pathological self hatred which is a clear requirement for developing the trans disorder also isnt something needed in order to be a lesbian.

    And I've never personally cared a fig for what anyone, anywhere thinks about me with regards to anything. When you have pride in yourself, others opinions good or bad arent necessary to your self worth.

    dirt

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  42. @dirt 10:24

    I'm of the same opinion in regards to the not caring if you disagree with my thoughts or logic. I do care that you spread hate and I would hazard a guess that you would be the first to jump at a website that spread the message " Lesbians don't exist and should be berated at every chance"

    It's not that you disagree with my/ our opinions, it's the fact the you censor valid arguments and present a one sided argument that centres on biological determinism. I'd like to think that you are more than what's written on your body. First and foremost you are a human being.

    "Lesbians do not take drugs or hack off healthy body parts to be lesbians."
    Those healthy body parts never belonged to me.

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  43. I'm sure if you looked you could find thousands of such websites, so what.

    I'm glad you also are against the spreading of hatred, so obviously you are against pro female transitioners sites, good for you. As clearly these site are about spreading self hatred which is worse.

    dirt

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  44. @dirt 10:39

    Maybe you should focus your efforts on finding those websites instead of attacking our functioning little community.

    Do you always twist peoples words when you find your argument flailing?

    Speaking on behalf of this community, we don't rubbish your identity, we don't fish through youtube until we find the most vulnerable "butch lesbian" and rip her to shreads. We are inclusive and receptive to difference.

    You saying that we are misogynists because we do not identify with our shape/ form is just ignornace. Your denial is a reflection of yourself, your insecurities. It frightens me that people like you exist in our community.

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  45. you have been deliberately antagonizing transfolks for a very long time. Then when you piss em off by YOUR ACTIONS you hollar Proud Lesbian Angry Transmen. But you forget to mention HOW you are getting your info and the blatent lack of regard for others in doing so.

    Well be warned!! FTM's are fed up and we plan to start pushing back. Nobody has anything against you. We just want you to concern yourself with your own life and leave our lives alone!!

    We owe it to ourselves not to allow you to continue badgering us.

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  46. @anon 1024: you are so delusional. They never belonged to you? LOL.

    I guess they hung on there by velcro, then.

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  47. Excuse me, that was directed at 1034, not 24.

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  48. @anon 10 57

    Why play the delusional card? Image for a minute that the mind and body are separate entities- or are you not fond of dualist philosophy? My body is a shell. Just because I do not identify with my given form does not mean that I hate women. If anything it means I appreciate them and respect them more.

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  49. Anon@March 8, 2011 10:54 PM


    "Speaking on behalf of this community, we don't rubbish your identity, we don't fish through youtube until we find the most vulnerable "butch lesbian" and rip her to shreads. We are inclusive and receptive to difference."

    I beg to differ. There is one member of your "community" who offers to email dirts private info to anyone who requests it. Another website has been hacked by another member of your "community". If you do a search on youtube, you will find some very personal irrational attacks on dirt. Is that not "rubbishing"?



    "You saying that we are misogynists because we do not identify with our shape/ form is just ignornace. Your denial is a reflection of yourself, your insecurities. It frightens me that people like you exist in our community."

    Enough with this "you are in denial arguement" it is trite and avoidant. Can you explain why cutting off your healthy body parts because you don't identify with them ISN'T misogyny? Why don't you identify with the "female bits"? Surly if you can explain it to a medical official to get T and a mastectomy you can explain it to us.

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  50. As a grown woman I'll focus on whatever it is I like and where I see the need. Women, many of which are lesbians are developing this disorder, what kind of lesbian would I be to ignore that?

    dirt

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  51. @anon March 8, 2011 11:05 PM


    "Why play the delusional card? Image for a minute that the mind and body are separate entities- or are you not fond of dualist philosophy? My body is a shell. Just because I do not identify with my given form does not mean that I hate women. If anything it means I appreciate them and respect them more."

    Can you explain exactly why you do not id with your "given form" and what led you to that conclusion?

    Why would failure to id with your female body make your appreciate and respect women more?

    Putting aside transitioning for a moment, the failure to id with parts of your body that are not traditional gender markers is a disorder called BIID. What is the difference between BIID and GID? If there is no difference then should the remedy be the same(ie allowing a BIID sufferer to get the offending body part amputated?)
    Yes the mind and body are seperate in that ones thoughts are seperate from ones body. But to be unable to identify with your body to such an extent that you want to radically change it is a mental disorder.

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  52. @ Canadian:

    So you enjoy poking sticks at people who you consider to have mental disorders? Wow, you're some prize.

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  53. Anon, How about cease and desist with the deflections and answer her questions.

    dirt

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  54. @ Canadian and Dirt (apparently opting for a double team approach)

    Where to begin really.

    "Can you explain why cutting off your healthy body parts because you don't identify with them ISN'T misogyny? Why don't you identify with the "female bits"?"

    As you stated in one of your posts canadian the mind and body are separate things. My mind does not connect with the form that cases it. I think it is a fairly easy concept to get your head around. Trans people come in all forms, sexuality and gender existing in separate realms. Your lesbian community dirt, is not under some kind of attack. We exist in separate spaces and cross only when collectively we enter queer space.

    What I don't understand is why you are frightened of the queer community?

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  55. @Anon 10:56PM
    "you have been deliberately antagonizing transfolks for a very long time. Then when you piss em off by YOUR ACTIONS you hollar Proud Lesbian Angry Transmen. But you forget to mention HOW you are getting your info and the blatent lack of regard for others in doing so."

    Well be warned!! FTM's are fed up and we plan to start pushing back. Nobody has anything against you. We just want you to concern yourself with your own life and leave our lives alone!!

    We owe it to ourselves not to allow you to continue badgering us."


    Such a militant response to one(1) website run my one(1) woman. I think the militancy of Dirt and other radical feminists can be traced to the fact that the trans community has attempted to silence concerns raised with the put downs of "bigot" and "transphobe" and now that you have come across someone who will not be silenced , your threats escalate.

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  56. "As a grown woman I'll focus on whatever it is I like and where I see the need. Women, many of which are lesbians are developing this disorder, what kind of lesbian would I be to ignore that?"

    Perhaps you would be a healthy lesbian with a life instead of an obsessed lesbian who does not know when enough is enough.

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  57. @Anon 11:46pm

    "As you stated in one of your posts canadian the mind and body are separate things. My mind does not connect with the form that cases it. I think it is a fairly easy concept to get your head around. Trans people come in all forms, sexuality and gender existing in separate realms. Your lesbian community dirt, is not under some kind of attack. We exist in separate spaces and cross only when collectively we enter queer space.

    What I don't understand is why you are frightened of the queer community?"

    Can you please answer the question:
    What is the difference between GID and BIID? Thanks

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  58. As long as females are in pain, I'm going to work to ease that pain.

    dirt

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  59. @canadian 11 59

    My personal belief re: the difference between BIID and GID is that trans people, GID, have an incongruency between their body and how they feel they exist in their social space and mind. People living with BIID feel that the limb does not belong to their body - if medication fails amputation is an option. Obviously I am the first to put up my hand and say that I am not an expert when it comes to BIID, having never experienced or studied the condition.

    I don't really see your point. What are you trying to prove by asking that question? Are you looking for a parallel? Because you people are sitting here saying that GID does not exist and trans people are living with a "disorder" while quite clearly BIID is a condition. Catch the drift?

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  60. Anon@12:16,

    So you totally except and feel comfortable with your body in its natural state? You havent felt the need to remove healthy body parts?

    dirt

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  61. This body is not mine. It is a vessel for my eyes and my mind.

    Call it what you will, but I will alter it as I see fit. I don't need to attach a label to any pyschological condition that you prescribe. I think you are both miserable examples of humanity.

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  62. @March 9, 2011 12:16 AM


    "I don't really see your point. What are you trying to prove by asking that question? Are you looking for a parallel? Because you people are sitting here saying that GID does not exist and trans people are living with a "disorder" while quite clearly BIID is a condition. Catch the drift?"

    I have never suggested that GID does not exist, I agree it exists, however I do not think that the remedy is transitioning. So yes, I am drawing that parallel.

    "My personal belief re: the difference between BIID and GID is that trans people, GID, have an incongruency between their body and how they feel they exist in their social space and mind. People living with BIID feel that the limb does not belong to their body - if medication fails amputation is an option. Obviously I am the first to put up my hand and say that I am not an expert when it comes to BIID, having never experienced or studied the condition."

    I am not seeing the difference there really,but I find the term "social space" interesting. So you are saying that you cannot have a disconnect between the "social space" and your body. Hmmm how did that "social space" come into being? Do you consider it innate or subject to outside influences?
    I don't really see that difference though between what you describe and BIID...there is a discoonect between the mind and the body.
    Sad, though that you seem to endorse the actual amputation of limbs...what purpose would that serve? Do you also feel that for another form of dsyphoria, anorexia that we should let people starve themselves? Especially since your "social space" arguement might readily apply to them?

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  63. I can't believe some people are still using the term "queer" LMAO. That sounds so freaking goony and nineties. Prob the same people who say "polyamorous".
    lololol

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  64. @Anon March 9, 2011 12:25 AM



    "This body is not mine. It is a vessel for my eyes and my mind.
    Call it what you will, but I will alter it as I see fit."

    Say what? Whose body is it then?

    "Call it what you will, but I will alter it as I see fit. I don't need to attach a label to any pyschological condition that you prescribe. I think you are both miserable examples of humanity."

    I am sure you attached a label to it to get T and the mastectomy, so you don't have as much free agency as you claim. I love how you try to have it both ways. Citing your condition out of one side of your mouth to get what you want and then claiming free choice when asked to support your claim of said "condition".

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  65. "Say what? Whose body is it then?"

    Well it sure as heck is not yours and it sure as heck is not dirts.

    All everyone is asking is for you to let us live in peace. Is that too damn much to ask?

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  66. My poor girlfriend is having to deal with having her Femme identity yanked from underneath her...No one is Femme anymore and if they are, it's just about appearance, not mentality. Everyone is "queer" or "pansexual" or whatever these days. She feels alone amongst a see of young people who are overly, and foolishly, concerned with being progressive and hip. It makes me so sad to see old identities being pushed aside and forgotten for this some fad (which I hope will go away soon).

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  67. *sea
    *some fad

    Haha. Oops

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  68. Dirt, I only meant physical masculinization, not masculine behaviour (effect of the testosterone) rather than behaviour, which I agree shouldn't really be classified in gendered ways. Given that I'm critical of people making fun of the ftms for their appearances. I would be happy to be offered a better term if it being used in that way seems unenlightened, though. (I would say testosteroney, but that sounds too much like a bad pasta for me to take seriously.)

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  69. Canadian and Dirt probably sit around all day talking about this shit and blowing each other.

    *yawn*

    3some with blutravel, I'm sure. Gag me.

    Get a fucking life.

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  70. Squirt you seem to spend most of your life on Dirt's blog- in fact you started a whole blog and youtube account in homage to her. You seem obsessed. And all your stats are due to riding her coat tails. Sad, really.

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  71. Hello, this a message to all FTM readers of this blog and SOFFA.

    I am part of the commenters above who compared those 2 guys, I am a woman engaged to a FTM. I read this blog because sometimes there are very interesting/intelligent posts from Lynn.

    When, we, my fiancé and I, as contributors and commenters on this blog, compare 2 FTM and their very different masculinisation levels, it is not to make fun of them. It is not our intention at all!
    I am lucky enough to have my fiancé on T for 10 years and we both are middle aged (the age of Lynn) so I can bring a mature and long-term perspective to what Lynn writes: on the health and visual unexpected impacts of T, she is 150% right.

    T has not the effects you think it may have. Genetics plays a huge role and should be taken into consideration because if you are expecting certain results, sometimes you may be disappointed and it may increase your dysphoria.
    What may help potential transitioners is to have a simulation software showing the ageing and hair growth effects of T based on the father's and mother's type.

    Also, to live it from the inside, I know that transition is not that pink beautiful world described on YouTube and we may thanks Lynn to give another voice...Even if sometimes she goes to far and we do not agree.
    My fiancé was one of the first transitionners in his generation and did it at a adult age and before his transition, he spent 5 years questioning it.

    We think young kids jumping in the transwagon are crazy and that they should spend more time figuring out what are their reasons for transitioning: you don't transition because it is cool or trendy or because your best friends do it...And please do it after having tried living as a male for almost 2/3 years.

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  72. Anon @ 5.57

    thanks for your post, i agree with you, but when i try put this arguement forward on this blog dirt deletes is... just because im "younger" then her doesnt make her "superior" to me... but what ever, up until recently i stood up for dirt, i respected what she was doing, but infiltrating a private forum which is actually not easy to enter went to far.. i would also like her to start backing up her claims of FTM's pushing transition onto people by linking these websites/blogs what ever, how can we stop them with out knowing about them?

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  73. This is a womens issue (a true womens issue) that has flowen under your radar while you were to busy QQin over ftm's


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCpXLQTQepo

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  74. Getting new males privileges and loosing L&G privileges.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LonhZcjgfa0

    This video is very interesting, our friend Aydian Dowling explains that with his fiancé Jenilee Anzalone, a bio woman, they pass as straight couple so when they go to gay clubs, everybody stare at them telling "who are you doing there?" and he feels uncomfortable...Or the gay dudes think he is a bisexual male interested in males besides his straight relationship...

    What do you think about this video? Do you think when you transition, you must get new straight males privileges and in the same time, you accept to loose L&G privileges or do you think you should have both? And how do you cope with it?

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  75. Anon 4:29, there is one explanation: he is obviously on very low dose of T.

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  76. My name is dirt and I delete every comment that threatens my "credibility". (including this one.)

    Pathetic.

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  77. to anon @ 8:01 AM

    basically they want to be included in almost every group they can. nothing is off limits to them. they cannot seem to cope with the idea of them being excluded from any group... sounds very straight white male to me.
    some even want to be included in femme areas- which as we all know is very important to real femmes- as they live everyday in invisibility.
    they want to force the LGBT community to accept them on every level, but it's funny that they do not expect that same thing from say... straight men. why is that? why, because any straight man would say penis = man. if you don't have a penis you are not a man.
    i've also seen plenty of ftms that go on and on about how much they hate the word/label lesbian. even if it really describes them- being women who love women. they just consider it outdated. and would rather have a new/hip label.

    dirt- i'd like to see you do a post/research around the fact that i've personally seen a lot- how many of these young girls who start out pre-T as people who only date/love other women, then after the T, turn suddenly to men.
    but they seem to see it as their choice, like the T had nothing to do with it. Yet the T is only suppost to allign the body with the mind?!

    -jj

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  78. "So you totally except and feel comfortable with your body in its natural state? You havent felt the need to remove healthy body parts?

    dirt"

    Geez, you'd think that a college educated, licensed therapist would know that the correct word to use in that sentence would have been accept. I guess you were far too busy doing research and developing your biases to pay much attention to the language arts.

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  79. Just curious dirt, since we're talking about you being a bona-fide therapist - care to share from which University you received your degree? I mean, you should be proud enough of that accomplishment to share... right?

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  80. Therapy isnt a scientific practice nor is it recognized by the scientific community as such. Therapy is utilizing your experience with specific issues to treat others similarly, if you are a caring person that is and not interested in profiting from the vulnerable.

    dirt

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  81. Oh ok, so to clarify, you've not been to school for this, and aren't a licensed therapist. Rather, a self proclaimed therapist. Thanks for helping clear that up.

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  82. As a 3rd year Psychology student, I believe I can safely assert that there is real danger in "psychoanalyzing" when dealing with the inner workings of another person's mind. Practicing therapy without a solid educational background, and without a license is not only narcissistic, but reckless as well. I feel for anyone you are counseling, and would urge them to talk to someone unbiased, educated, as well as held accountable by a medical licensing board.

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  83. Making fun of typoes and misspellings is the most asinine thing on the internet.
    People maek mistakes.

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  84. yes, people do make mistakes....let's hope that questioning young people don't go to Dirt for therapy as that would be a huge mistake.

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  85. "Therapy isnt a scientific practice nor is it recognized by the scientific community as such. Therapy is utilizing your experience with specific issues to treat others similarly, if you are a caring person that is and not interested in profiting from the vulnerable".

    You think that posting young people photos all over your blog without their permission. Joining an online private community and re-posting their personal posts on your blog is a sign of a caring person?

    I think YOU need therapy!!!

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  86. Squirt said... Canadian and Dirt probably sit around all day talking about this shit and blowing each other. *yawn* 3some with blutravel, I'm sure. Gag me. Get a fucking life. March 9, 2011 3:34 AM Anonymous said... Squirt you seem to spend most of your life on Dirt's blog-in fact you started a whole blog and youtube account in homage to her. You seem obsessed. And all your stats are due to riding her coat tails. Sad, really. March 9, 2011 4:19 AM Anonymous said... Hello, this a message to all FTM readers of this blog and SOFFA. I am part of the commenters above who compared those 2 guys, I am a woman engaged to a FTM. I read this blog because sometimes there are very interesting/intelligent posts from Lynn. When, we, my fiancé and I, as contributors and commenters on this blog, compare 2 FTM and their very different masculinisation levels, it is not to make fun of them. It is not our intention at all! I am lucky enough to have my fiancé on T for 10 years and we both are middle aged (the age of Lynn) so I can bring a mature and long-term perspective to what Lynn writes: on the health and visual unexpected impacts of T, she is 150% right. T has not the effects you think it may have. Genetics plays a huge role and should be taken into consideration because if you are expecting certain results, sometimes you may be disappointed and it may increase your dysphoria. What may help potential transitioners is to have a simulation software showing the ageing and hair growth effects of T based on the father's and mother's type. Also, to live it from the inside, I know that transition is not that pink beautiful world described on YouTube and we may thanks Lynn to give another voice...Even if sometimes she goes to far and we do not agree. My fiancé was one of the first transitionners in his generation and did it at a adult age and before his transition, he spent 5 years questioning it. We think young kids jumping in the transwagon are crazy and that they should spend more time figuring out what are their reasons for transitioning: you don't transition because it is cool or trendy or because your best friends do it...And please do it after having tried living as a male for

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