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Sunday, March 6, 2011

Behind the Closed Doors of the FTM Community

A little of what really gets discussed behind the very closed doors of the ftM community.





Guess "T" and mutilations arent the Heaven the ftM community preaches them to be. Then like we witnessed here recently when one female transitioner posts about her regrets, the first thing out of multiple ftM mouths is not sympathy, compassion or an extended hand, its a you should have done your research (without even asking her had she). Given that, I think we can easily imagine the ftM comments to this post.

"You should have done your research".

"Not every ftM gets blot clots"

"Not every ftM gets 'phallo'".

"They werent really trans or their body would have bonded with the T".

"They should have had a hysto".

"None of that ever happened to me"

"They are too stupid to be real ftMs".

ad infinitum

Every conceivable and inconceivable excuse to justify their "choice". But the truth is there isnt anything that can justify brutalizing your body for. And if you "choose" to brutalize your female body, then be prepared for there to be some serious medical ramifications and complications which can and will last all the rest of your days.

Heaven exist only in the bible, not at the end of a syringe or shinning through the incinerated ashes of healthy breast.

dirt

Edit to add...
Suddenly the ftM community from where the earlier comments came from, are all a buzz. The above is a warning being issued to all members. Rather than discuss the problems ftMs are raising regarding T usage in the female body and the problems of brutalizing unnecessary surgeries which shorten the life span of every female who endures them, they are more concerned with keeping everything private! Looks to me like when it comes to saving lives or hiding truths we know where this community stands.

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49 comments:

  1. Proof that Dirt's BLOG words are NOT false!

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  2. No, Dirt. You're just wrong.

    I'm FTM and I would have had compassionate responses to each one of the FTMs you "expose" in this post. There are risks to T, and those guys are experiencing the effects of those risks. That's nothing to be ridiculed or explained away. If I got a blood clot or had abdominal pains (actually I do have bad ones every month when my period would normally come) I know it's just one of the risks.

    The HUGE difference between your examples here and the post in the other thread to which you refer is that that person really seemed to have no idea what they were getting into. They claim they had years of therapy but "didn't know" that the changes would be permanent. There is no way a person could get gender counseling and do T the RIGHT way without being warned that some changes are permanent, and that T does not affect everyone the same way.

    This is exactly the point, Dirt: DON'T TAKE T unless you are willing to take the risks in hopes of getting the benefits. There's a very real possibility when starting T that you could end up looking nothing like you did/hoped to. Every FTM should know that! Every prospective FTM should be told that! It's just like with any medical procedure - there are risks. Hell, every so often through nobody's fault, somebody doesn't wake up after a simple routine surgery.

    Life contains risks and benefits, and you make choices as to which risks you are willing to accept to gain which benefits. FTMs who are properly informed, take the risk, and then freak out when the very things they WANTED actually happen... it's just not the same as the examples in your post.

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  3. Your name describes you well: you are nothing but a lowly piece of dirt.

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  4. BSD,

    When you mentally lock yourself into something, as all trans people do, their "choice" to take a synthetic drug like T with no long term studies in effect becomes a lack of choice.

    Ever try to explain to an anorexic weighing 65 pounds and on the verge of death that starving herself can result in her death? Thereby "warning" her that the ultimate repercussion of anorexia IS death? It is no different for the trans mind once it reaches that level of pathology.

    Like every illness prevention is the best medicine. Which is why this trans cloak and dagger bullshit needs to be brought out into the open so that those on the verge of developing this disorder WILL have the possibility to see just how dangerous and barbaric the current "treatment" for the trans disorder is!

    And THAT is exactly what they get here. If you are out there trying to prevent young women and girls from further developing this disorder so they do not have live the rest of their lives on drugs and lying to every stranger they meet, then bravo for you.

    dirt

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  5. Shame on you. There is enough transphobia out there without you adding to it.
    It makes me wonder why you spend so much energy on this. Methinks this is a case of 'the lady doth protest too much'.
    Oh and get your facts straight - T is a hormone duh! not a drug

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  6. If you are so against transmen and so proud of being butch why do you not post about and sing the praises of being butch? Why do you dedicate so much time to all of this? Is being butch not worth more than all of what you write?

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  7. blood clots are a risk because testosterone naturally raises cholesterol level, increases the size of red blood cells, and ups blood pressure. a healthy body should easily be able to accomodate this change. for example, mine: my BP, cholesterol, and RBCs were all in great order before T...and they're up a little bit now, but in a perfectly healthy range. the real threat you're exposing here is poor nutrition, lack of exercise, and/or a genetic predisposition or disorder that causes an individual to BEGIN with abnormal numbers.

    as for abdominal pain...most of my friends who were born and remain female suffer this, too...it's called PMS. i'm not sure why pointing out that it can still occur to an FTM body serves your case, but go for it.

    and it's true that not all ftms get a phalloplasty. i know you said that we would all come here singing the same tune...but one, it's the truth, and two, infections happen to anyone, not just ftms. it's likely poor sanitation, poor cleaning, or an accident which resulted in that poor guys infection, not the fact that he is transgendered or that he had a phalloplasty specifically.

    and as for this: "When you mentally lock yourself into something, as all trans people do, their "choice" to take a synthetic drug like T with no long term studies in effect becomes a lack of choice.

    Ever try to explain to an anorexic weighing 65 pounds and on the verge of death that starving herself can result in her death? Thereby "warning" her that the ultimate repercussion of anorexia IS death? It is no different for the trans mind once it reaches that level of pathology."

    this does explain your character quite a bit. i'm actually surprised you included something so revealing about yourself, because YOU are locked into your pathology as steadfastly as you claim the "ftm community" is locked into its. we should be formally introduced, my name is kettel, you must be pot.

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  8. Barry,

    First I am not a "lady", I'm a grown woman, leave your misogyny at the door. And I suppose suppose suffragettes by wanting the vote really wanted to be men too?

    Not only is your logic, ignorant, its tired and old.

    Carrying about females, doesnt make one "want to be a man", if that were the case dont you think there would be a hellava lot less misogyny???

    dirt

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  9. Female transition, isnt a Butch issue, it is a FEMALE issue. And as a female who sees right straight through the misogyny that creates the trans disorder as well as the misogyny and homophobia that informs the male medical machine on how to "treat" this disorder what kind of woman would I be to sit silently on my hands while girl after girl and woman after bloody woman is brutalized???

    A SICK fucking callous one, and that my dear, isnt me or my style. I right wrongs, I dont create them nor do bystand when they are present!

    dirt

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  10. Well, I was aware of the risks of T. I am also aware that I now have a much lower risk of breast cancer (as my surgeon strove to remove all breast cells). Because of my hysto I now have no risk of endometriosis, cervical cancer, ovarian cancer, uterine cancer, ovarian cysts, unwanted pregnancy, or of uterine fibroids. I should probably start warning women of all the risks there are to keeping their breasts and uterus/ovaries. Better yet, I should gain membership to a women's cancer survivor group and repost their pain on my blog to make my point about how dangerous it is to remain female.

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  11. The increase risk in cancer is by injecting T, no rejecting it. Try again anon.

    dirt

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  12. Mtf's and ftMs both occupy private lesbian spaces, feel free to report away. Not like dykes are hiding anything. Go for it.

    dirt

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  13. To people accusing Dirt of 'protesting too much', uh, I'm pretty sure she's not. If she's happy not transitioning, that's an excellent thing.

    As for the individual who started on testosterone and did not like the effects, it's like slathering nair all over oneself and being surprised and upset when the hair falls off. Those are the effects of testosterone. It's very unfortunate that this individual had to go through something traumatic, and they deserve compassion and empathy, but transition shouldn't be taken lightly. My advice would be to consider some worst case scenarios before starting anything (though not being ftm I can't offer advice more specific than that).

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  14. I am struck by the conspiratorial tone of the FtM community, specifically the "she has the means to collect your IP and the web sites you visit" and HORROR, she might become a member and start "collecting infomration" presumably after she dons her cloak and dagger.

    News Flash, all the websites collect your IP and most collect information by usig cookies,so even proxy IP's won't help there.
    Moreover, these webs sites use the information on you for more self serving purposes then Dirt ever would.

    The Ftm community might want to be careful about pointing fingers in regard to nefarious manipulation of the internet as some of the threats I have seen online to reveal Dirts personal info come from Ftm's. A quick google search will turn up a plethora of pro trans sites so one does not need an IP to find them.

    @Anon March 6, 2011 3:19 PM


    "Because of my hysto I now have no risk of endometriosis, cervical cancer, ovarian cancer, uterine cancer, ovarian cysts, unwanted pregnancy, or of uterine fibroids. I should probably start warning women of all the risks there are to keeping their breasts and uterus/ovaries. Better yet, I should gain membership to a women's cancer survivor group and repost their pain on my blog to make my point about how dangerous it is to remain female."

    The main difference here is that you are removing healthy tissue and then pumping youself with even more carcinogins. Also, that logic was followed by the medical community years ago at the first signs of menopause or other "female" trouble. The same logic was followed for breast cancer. Dr's the majority being male, just "cut it out" and sent women on their way. It was only after evidence came in the such invasive procedures where not needed that it was stopped over the self interested screeching of male surgeons who stood to lose alot of money.

    So yeah, go to a cancer survior site and tell them you voluntarily removed your healthy tissue not to save your life, but because you "feel" like your a male and see what they say.

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  15. @Canadian,

    Thought you'd find this interesting...I loled.

    "She embeds a code called statcounter at statcounter.com you can see its capabilities. I do believe we have a case in here if we can figure out which user she is. She had to falsify the answers to the questions which would have been asked of her to gain access to this group. what she did here should also be covered under stalking laws at this point. My attorney told me a while back she is getting bolder and bolder. She believes sooner or later Dirt will cross the line".

    Now had this group not been stalking my blog, sending hate mail and hate comments, I would have been none the wiser to this group of females.

    dirt

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  16. I can't belive that sick woman who lied to the doctors and nurses about her blood clots being unrelated to testosterone- she made them perform a bunch of expensive unnecessary tests and waste all their time and money that could have been spent on a pediatric cancer patient or something. And all because she wanted to lie. I guess if you are going to lie about being male you will lie about anything no matter the cost to others.

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  17. Anon @ 3:19- If you have your legs removed you will eliminate all future risk of bunions.

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  18. @Dirt
    To funny.
    It is hard to believe that they believe that load of hooey themselves.

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  19. What makes me angry are the FTM's who are just so blatantly against the LGB community. It's sad to think that the wonderful and brave Femmes, Butches, and Queens who fought for my and YOUR rights are so often forgotten or thrown under the rug as being "outdated." Those people have done more for our community and for good than any of you ever will, with your hiding behind normality and rejecting the community who has made any and all of this possible...it makes me incredibly sad.

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  20. FTMs against the LGB community? some are and that's terrible, but there are gay and bisexual FTMs too you know, why make generalisations about a whole group when there is so much variation?

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  21. I'm not trying to make generalizations exclusively about FTM's. I mean, sadly, there are people in the LGB community who ignore those people as well...I think it has a lot to do with today's mentality regarding expression, lifestyles, ect. I'm all for personal expression and happiness, but to an extent, younger people in the community have completely ignored the Butch, Femmes, and Queens of our past. It just seems like -some- FTM's are all about separating themselves from the LGB community, which I don't necessarily understand.

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  22. FTM do define themselves first by their gender issues not by their sexual orientation and 90% of FTM are straight. So I am sorry but my money and my activism do not go to straight males...Because straight males do not need more rights or privileges.

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  23. p.s. I was saying Window of Paradise made a fair point,
    confusing with all the anonynmouses

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  24. I've known many people in my life who were in denial about self-destructive behaviors. Most denial looks pretty much the same: "I can stop if I want to", "I'm happier when I'm (high, drinking, gambling, fill in the blank)", "All my friends are doing it", "When I shot heroin I felt at peace for the very first time", "After I do a few lines I have so much energy I feel like I could do anything", "Other junkies (or drunks) are the only people who really understand me", "This is the only way I can face life", etc., etc.

    Maybe recognizing the negative effects of their "transition" will be the first step towards getting the help they really need in their life. Whether the effects are psychological or physical, it's a strong message that something is very wrong.

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  25. I have read the edit and it is really creepy because it means those fTM silence every voice raising a concern about medical issues: T impacts, bad surgery...It is like a cult. They have lost contact with reality.

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  26. oh forgot to add to my post I am female 100% and also lesbian I work supporting adults that are all part of the rainbow LGBT your blog was shown to me by an individuel you upset who incidently guess what was not ftm your blog affected them so much they felt they had to bring it to a support session should make you proud!

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  27. just because people like myself use common sense to try to debunk the whole trans notion it certainly does not mean that we are 'dirt's minions,' really now
    i've felt this way since long before i stumbled upon this blog
    and it's really nice to have a place where the non-queer non-pc side has a voice

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  28. the LGBT umbrella?
    so stupid

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  29. Watch this video at time code 3:20, perfect video for this topic.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDXNfhqDosQ

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  30. Another similarity between self-destructive addicts and transtrenders: There are some less-than-ethical doctors out there who are most likely to hand out narcotics prescriptions, and pill junkies know who those doctors are, and they tell their friends. They will coach their friends on what to tell the doctor to get their drugs. Same with the transtrenders: they know which "gender therapists" will co-sign their dysfunction, and which doctors are willing to sell T or perform unnecessary breast removals.

    Due to social oppression, the lesbian and gay community has a high rate of drug abuse and alcoholism. Now we are faced with this self-hating, self-mutilating trend of "transition" as well. It is my sincere belief that most, if not all, of the young women transitioning could, with the right help and support, accept themselves, reject sex role stereotypes, and live their lives in freedom without the risks and dangers of "T" (reminds me of "H" for Heroin) or surgery. These alternatives should be a major priority for our community. These young people should be encouraged to see that they can live their lives fully in their natural bodies, that it is possible to reject sex roles and fight sexist oppression.

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  31. Anon@3:25,

    Clearly her body is trying to tell her something, too bad she doesnt want to hear what it has to say.

    dirt

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  32. they're just making themselved into neuters semi-disguised as males

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  33. Anon@3:42,

    From her video, she doesnt even pass as male, merely another butchered female. For her to have been on T several years and to look like your average dyke, she had to be HIGHLY feminine. And yet, some doctor doled T out her.

    dirt

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  34. @Dirt March 6, 2011 3:17 PM

    "Female transition, isnt a Butch issue, it is a FEMALE issue."

    Yes, exactly. I am wondering how many straight women actually see the darker implications of transitioning. I wonder if they realize it only reinforces the sexist straight jacket they are stuck in?

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  35. Dirt, you are so incredibly compassionate to the people who keep insulting you despite all the generous help you give them. Really, it's just very impressive. You have a kind heart.

    It's just they've been exposed to too much marketing -- advertising has become so expert at manipulation the last couple decades, and kids are especially malleable to that and the pressure to conform.

    I don't need a specific type of genitalia in order to express any character trait, nor do I need to be a man or a woman -- that's true freedom! Y'know, maybe I over-estimated them, they can't know the first thing about sexism if they assume mutilating body parts will make them whole.

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  36. My mother looks more "male" than that girl. And after two years on synthetic hormones, wow. Anyone who thinks she looks male has been drinking way too much kool-aid.

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  37. Oh ftms are the worst, you don't have to tell me. They've become a problem at a lot of the local dyke bars and clubs around my area. Starting fights and drama...I've seen so many of them just get thrown out thankfully. They're like termites! except we don't want them eating anything, if you know what I mean!

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  38. Not one FtM looks male if she is naked. That's what's so sad about it all. Even with the bottom surgery they look like Frankenstein.

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  39. @Anon @2:12 AM....Then don't be with a trans man then! That's the beauty of it all...you have a choice! My fiancee' has no problem with me naked as to her I am handsome no matter what! Don't take a trans man to bed and you won't have to look at their naked body. It's just that simple! I am sure you look no better naked! That is NOT something I would take the pleasure in even seeing!

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  40. @Anon @2:30 AM...Maybe you need to drink some more kool-aid!!!

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  41. Anon@2:35 AM...Maybe you need to broaden your horizons instead of masturbating as you can't get anything else but yourself. Nice try sweetheart...EPIC FAIL! YOU LOSE....It's the story of your life!

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  42. FTMs don't know anything about men or women, which is why they live in endless misery and bullshit.

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  43. It's true. To ftms women are nothing but a sexualized stereotype.

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  44. FTMs are the most women-hating stereotype promoting sexist self-hating people on the planet.

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  45. Did all FTMs fail a littlee thing called BIOLOGY in high school?

    If you have a vagina, you are female. There is no disputing this because it is a fact of life and cannot be changed. End of story.

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  46. We've definately established the fact that no FtM can pass as male naked, even with various surgeries, etc.
    I doubt we'd hear any "gender is between the ears" if FtM's had dicks. I've never heard a man say that.

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  47. "I doubt we'd hear any "gender is between the ears" if FtM's had dicks. I've never heard a man say that."

    Actually some phallos are starting to look pretty good. Surgeons are working hard to perfect it, for they're own benefit. But they are expensive and I'd rather keep my vagina and put a down payment on a house instead.

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  48. Anon @3:22 - There's nothing that comes close to a functioning penis as an option for you FtM's. Yes, surgeons are working hard to perfect it, and using FtM's as (paying!) test subjects, so they can better help men with penis injuries.

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  49. @ Anonymous at 2:54 AM: Did you fail biology in high school? Sex is based on gamete size, not genitalia. I suggest you read Joan Roughgarden's brilliant text Evolution's Rainbow and you'll see what biology really says about sex and gender.

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