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Tuesday, February 8, 2011

Trans Trending-Who is Transitioning

When feminism fails, females suffer.

Stop misogyny!
Help to end the hatred of women and girls!

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  1. http://questioningtranssexuality.blogspot.com/2011/02/why-transsexuality-is-cult-and-why.html

    I hope this will stop them at least! Transfolks, read it all before complaining please.

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  2. Exploiting these young people is just wrong! One of them is 15 years old. You say you want to help but all you are doing is exploiting these kids. You post their pictures just so your followers will ridicule, put down, tear them apart, and mock them.

    If you really wanted to help you would send them a private message talking to them not plastering their faces on your blog to be made fun of and for people to pick them apart and talk shit about how they don't pass. It's not ALL about passing anyways.

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  3. I agree with Echo-N-Edge...Exploiting children is not helping or "trying" to help them at all.

    It's a shame that you have to pick on and exploit children like you do. You are supposed to be the adult here and yet you are exploiting children. What next?

    It must make you feel good to post these kids pictures on your blog since you have so much hatred built up inside of yourself. Honestly, exploiting children is so not cool.

    Self-projected hate much?

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  4. these girl just make me feel so much better about myself and my life to be honest

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  5. why are all the ftms on youtube so unlikeable, smug, and devoid of any personality? all i see are a bunch of insecure girls with daddy issues.

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  6. @Anon@ 1:11 AM...I am sure you have not watched every FTM video on youtube and if you have watched many of them then I would think you are obsessed. I'm an FTM and I don't have a "daddy" issue.

    Judge not lest ye be judged...

    Maybe you are devoid of personality. Just from your comment it seems that way to me.

    Daddy issues? WTF is that? Maybe you have daddy issues and maybe mommy issues. Maybe your parent didn't bring you up right or teach you not to judge others or to mind your own business. Bad parenting skills! Epic FAIL!

    Keep spending hours of your time watching FTM videos since it seems to be your kink. You must be obsessed over FTM's to be watching "ALL" these videos claiming that they are unlikeable, smug, and and devoid of personality. Maybe you are just seeing yourself in them...unlikable, smug, and devoid of personality. Maybe you need to check yourself and see what exactly is wrong with you. You seem self-centered, ignorant, hateful, close-minded, idiotic, lame, simple, and irrational. And that's just from your comment. You need to look inside yourself and see all that is WRONG with you and find all of your faults because to me you are very unlikable.

    Before you judge others, take a good hard look in the mirror and truly judge yourself. Not just what your feelings are but really dig deep down and find all the ugly in yourself and then judge yourself...you won't like what you find!

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  7. These "kids" look 15 years old but are in their 20's so no children photos are exploited there...Dirt is not responsible if they wear outfits that make them look 5 years younger.

    Then nobdoy is making fun of them: we try prevent them in order they de-transition because in 2/3 years from now, with T, they will look like an army of bald women with hirsutism...

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  8. Instead of sitting and putting down these young guys why not embrace them? Is it so hard to open yourselves up and embrace them instead of sitting there putting them down? They are kids for Christ's sake. You're gonna post their pictures on your blog just for idiots to make fun of them? Of course you will just say that you are "trying to help" but all you are doing is tearing them down and putting them at risk for a hate crime. Unless someone searches FTM they aren't gonna find these kids videos yet you are posting their pictures on your blog just to be made fun of. You and your followers are gonna pick them apart and try to find their flaws but guess what? You have flaws of your own that you need to sit and think about. Trying to help? You and you only can get one of these kids beat up, outed to people they don't want to be outed to, or even killed. Yeah, you are helping all right. You alone will be responsible for a hate crime against these kids. You alone will have their blood on your hands. Does that make you feel good? Make you feel like you accomplished something? Would it make you feel like you got your point across? Do you even have a point or is it self-projected hate that you spew? These pictures you posted are just kids but yet you obviously don't care about what happens to them...as you say you are helping. Helping my ass!

    I'm a butch lesbian with just as much female pride as you but damn! KIDS? I have a lot of FTM friends and love them all. You obviously have some issues that you need to deal with at a mental health facility because just from reading your blog I can that you have some deep rooted issues that you have not dealt with yet.

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  9. @Anon @2:22 AM....Yes, I looked up one of these kids profiles and yes one is 15 years old..none of them look in their 20's as you say. Look them up on youtube and you will see for yourself..EXPLOITATION 100%!
    HELPING OR HURTING? I happen to know 3 of these guys not including the 5 year old in question.

    All I can say is, WOW, How low to stoop to that level to exploit children like this!!!!!

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  10. Out of the 9, in looking at their profiles, 5 are under the age of 18. The ages range from 15 to 17. Just pointing that out that Echo-N-Edge is correct in the age factor. That is better than half that are still considered legally children.

    Making no judgments, just pointing out the obvious if people actually visited the URLs posted with the pictures.

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  11. The sad part about this whole blog is that its supposed to be for butch lesbians and all that. But when you look at 95% of the tags they are all FTM related, you can sit there and say you dont have prejudices against them but the proof is plastered all over your page. And the sad part is that not one of those tags are good things related to any FTM's its all how horrible and rotten we are. Youre getting alot of views from FTM's because youre bashing alot of us for really no reason, minus the fact that you dont agree with it. I think its funny that youre so surprised that were coming in and speaking up for ourselves, are you used to talking crap to people and them just cowering and taking the abuse? The crappy thing about that is you dont really post any comments that go against you and your "butch ideals". If youre going to bad mouth people atleast have backbone enough to hear their side of the argument. False advertisement on the whole non-judgmental thing. Its a new year why continue being so hateful?

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  12. @ Bluetraveler
    Its hard for me to take a blog titled "transsexuality is a cult"
    seriously.
    Considering my experiance dosnt quite match up to what he/she is writing.
    I had no contact with the trans community or had much knowledge about trans people before realizing i had gender identity issues, i STILL dont have much contact with the trans community, because i dont like to catagorise myself and place myself in to single communities.
    the Blog makes alot of assumptions, many that dont fit my character, which just shows how broad gender identity is.

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  13. "Out of the 9, in looking at their profiles, 5 are under the age of 18."

    I have reported their channel to YouTube!

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  14. In the 90's, it used to be so cool and fresh to be a FTM but now, it is like dancing break dance: old fashioned...

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  15. If these young people are uploading to you tube, and anyone can view their videos freely, it seems they are putting themselves at risk.

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  16. @ Anonymous 6:50 AM

    Why would you do that? Youtube's TOS is 13 to post and create an account.

    I won't go into my social networking rant, but this is typical policy for most of them, FB, Myspace, Youtube and the like.

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  17. LOL the trans apologists are so desperate

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  18. They are mature enough to expose themselves and to post on YouTube?

    They are mature enough to consider changing their body with hormon and surgeries?

    So they are are not kids anymore...
    Otherwise, they will not have their free will and consent to enter a transition...

    And they have to face the consequences of who they are...
    Because being a FTM is not a joyride...

    One guy complained the other day about being outed.
    He is a trans from a small European country who uploads every moment of his transition on YouTube.
    The fun is: when you type "FTM" and the name of his country in YouTube search, he is the only one :D!

    So anybody doubting he may be trans in his country can find him in 3 sec: classmates, boss...

    Is he a moron? Are all those kids idiots?

    Or being exposed on YouTube is one of the main drivers for transition?

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  19. @Cilla

    While you may not have meant it to sound this way, your comment hit me in a very odd way.

    I read it as you blaming the apparently very young kids who place their videos on Youtube for someone to find. While that may be true and they do give access to themselves too much, it struck me as somewhat the excuse given to men who rape prostitutes, or courts who say it is the woman's fault for staying in an abusive relationship.

    In other words, it hit me as a "Well they set themselves up for it" type of statement.

    I won't go into the "right" or "wrong" of Dirt's actions, but that post just hit me a bit wrong.

    Sorry!

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  20. @ anonymous 6:52 AM
    Lucky FTM isnt a fashion statement then.
    being a lesbian is old fashioned IMO
    so how does that change anything for lesbians?
    exhacty.

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  21. Have you seen the number of fat women who enter into transition? Has someone warned them T is not a diet pill?

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  22. In the 10 years from now, we will have de-transition videos on YouTube.

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  23. i have a question for dirt...does it get lonely swimming around in a world of hate? why do you do this? i really am curious to know. because, for me, when i focus my energy on negativity and i waste my time feeling hatred or negative feelings toward a person or group of people, i realize a few things: a.) no one wants to be around me because i am a buzz kill and an asshole, b.) i'm being ignorant. people are people. my life is my life, but other people's lives are theirs and i need to respect that, c.) things i think i know for sure are often completely wrong (as with most prejudices), d.) i am personally not as happy or satisfied with my life.

    i hope for your sake, dirt, you get over this transphobia and learn to love your life because it's yours and to let others do the same.

    what happened to live and let live?

    those who oppose abortion often hear this as a response to it: "it's a woman's choice what she does with her body;" well...it's each individual's choice what they do with their body. it may not be what you want to hear, but it's the truth. you want to help these kids? don't give them complexes. don't give the bullies an avenue through which to torment them. don't plaster their pictures over the internet, compromising their futures with employment, health care, etc. have a little common sense, sheesh. is your concept of 'help' really so narrow?

    furthermore, why is everyone so fixed to the notion that people and bodies shouldn't change? people and bodies are ALWAYS changing, naturally and unnaturally. how is transitioning all that different? don't be so afraid of the unknown.

    a person's particular prejudices are often only revealing about the person who holds them and rarely accurately reflect the group targeted by the hate.

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  24. hey, it is trans-love week: http://legalizetrans.tumblr.com/post/2990700336/trans-love-week-a-tranifesto-i-spend-a

    Adopt-a-trans

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  25. "i have a question for dirt...does it get lonely swimming around in a world of hate?"

    It is not hate but education and she is not lonely.

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  26. @Bluetraveler:

    If anyone's narcissistic, it's you. You always have to comment several times on everything, and you always think your latest blog posting is THE GREATEST MESSAGE IN THE WORLD.

    Pot, meet kettle.

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  27. In the past, FTM used to be cute but now, yurk

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  28. @Anon @8:44 AM...Have you noticed how many fat people are butch dykes? Not that there is anything wrong with being fat.

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  29. All those women with fat female curves who try to pass as males despite their body morphology are fooling no one....

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  30. Do you think all the youtube ftms get on the same cycle? LMAO

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  31. Anon @11:17 AM---It's not just about passing. Dimwit!

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  32. I'm FTM and I fucking hate lesbians, don't care about their rights or issues, and think most dykes are ugly. so how can you say I'm a lesbian or a girl?! YUCK!!

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  33. You keep saying that you're just posting what people put out in a public domain, but most of these people you choose to post images of are very young and you damn well young people don't make the best decisions. They may realize it was a mistake to post their videos and images and try to take them down. You're exploiting them to get traffic to your blog, it's not right and you know it.

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  34. cogine @ 12:52

    "young people don't make the best decisions."


    this is true. perfect example: transitioning.

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  35. Everybody makes a few rash decisions when they're young. Unfortunately, these girls will really end up learning the hard way what a mistake rash behavior can be.

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  36. As a bisexual woman, I don't really see FTMs as men, but I don't see them as women either. They're just....trans. It's unignorable. Personally, I could never deal with it.

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  37. Oh geeze, identify your own argument, hello. IF it is "exploitative" for someone to discuss the effects of transitioning, then it's "exploitative" for EVERYONE who discusses the very same subject -- including the transgendered who discuss transitioning.

    And btw "blaming someone for being raped" -- blaming someone for an action which someone ELSE chooses to do to them -- is fundamentally distinct from holding accountable actions which people choose to do to THEMSELVES.

    Seriously, if you can't tell the difference then you're quite freaking stupid.

    Dirt is not blaming some mysterious person for rudely and non-consensually injecting T into a hapless innocent, in this case Dirt is blaming the moron who chooses to inject T into their own bodies. Duh.

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  38. Bluetraveler, you are obsessed and I've seen your rantings get more and more like Dirt's as time goes by. You used to sound somewhat rational. What the hell is wrong with both of you that you are so obsessed with transguys? If you are so woman-identified, then you should be able to leave us alone and focus your energy on building the self-esteem of gender-variant WOMEN. Which ftm's are not.

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  39. ..."you should be able to leave us alone and focus your energy on building the self-esteem of gender-variant WOMEN. Which ftm's are not."

    really, you're not? pray tell what are you then? you're men? um... can you prove that?
    oh, wait, it's all in the head right?

    in my head i am a bottle of water and i demand you address me as such.

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  40. Like you've said before, Dirt, where are these young people's parents? They need to explain to their kids that any time you put something on the Internet, it's there for everybody to see. And once it's out there, it's out there, and you may not have control over who is seeing it and what they think about it. Also all parents should educate their kids about the dangers of the Internet and online communications. And just plain TALK WITH YOUR KIDS!

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  41. no post about the last poll?
    your not ignoring the out come are you dirt?

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  42. i wonder if other animals have the burning desire to transition. like...a female cat just devastated that she wasn't born with balls to lick! now what does SHE do, guys??!! lol

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  43. To Anon @3:33 PM
    You sound like a dumb blond!

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  44. BOW,

    There no such thing as "gender variant", thats more bullshit dreamed up by the male medical machine created in order to maintain gender straight jackets.

    There is no one way to be a female, the only limits of female are the ones those like yourself subscribe to.

    dirt

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  45. "i wonder if other animals have the burning desire to transition. like...a female cat just devastated that she wasn't born with balls to lick! now what does SHE do, guys??!!"

    That's HE, you felitransphobe!

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  46. @Chris,

    No, this blog isnt specifically for "butch females", it is for dismantling the misogyny plaguing the lesbian community.

    dirt

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  47. @ Ixchel,

    I did not intend for my comment to be likened to an excuse for rapist or abusers, and I did not interpret it that way when I reviewed it before submitting, but we all have our views.
    My comment was made because of the, " Exploitation," and
    " Putting them in harms way"
    issues some have commented on. But, I have to say this.
    If a person posts their likeness, information, ideas, whatever, on the internet, someone somewhere, a person known or unknown to them is going to see it and may make comments positive or negative about them/ it, and in many cases will copy and paste/ post, elsewhere on the internet. It's done with copy righted material all the time. Placing blame is what I did. Millions (maybe an exaggeration,) go to YouTube every day and do random searches,
    copy URL's and post those URL's in other places. Dirts blog is more popular than I had thought, but not as popular as YouTube, where they are "Outing," themselves regularly.
    If they did not post, no one could LEGALLY use their likeness without permission. Posting the pictures on this blog does heighten their visibility, but from what I've read, it's mostly in the trans community.

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  48. "really, you're not? pray tell what are you then? you're men? um... can you prove that?
    oh, wait, it's all in the head right?"

    It is what it is. You can call me anything you want-it won't change my happiness, my body, or the way I am taken in the world. And "woman" don't describe it.

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  49. Yes sure. Go on living in la-la land like you are doing. Don't complain if others won't, and don't compain when you are already trying to justify your "happiness" to everyone else, especially to yourself, when your choice was to be mutilated of your complete humanity.

    I WAS a narcissist, no doubt. I don't think I am anymore. My blog was written by me, but it was not invented by me at all. I invented nothing, it has always been there. I am just putting 1+1 together like everyone should. And THE MOST IMPORTANT MESSAGE LOLOLOL in the world, the one I really want to give actually, is that we are all one, from which everything else derives.
    To be trans means to reject your humanity. To be trans means living in a delusion. Despite the fact I don't support Dirt in posting these young women's faces, I want to help them, and surely not "help them get raped in the street".

    Jeez, the fact you think my message is narcissistic only proves how many of them are brainwashed narcissistic cultists. Time to smell reality.

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  50. We are lucky they don't think in their head they are a bottle of water as the transition would be more painful...
    But having a bottle of water explaining his transition on YouTube can be quite entertaining: if one of them wants to try :D

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  51. "And "woman" don't describe it."

    That's because you are limiting yourself, but you are a woman and nothing else, nor the way you "pass" to others and your delusions, can change the fact. Can you explain why you are a man? Oh yes, it depends on gender / sex identity, right? Which doesn't exist. So yeah, you are a woman, and a woman who's mutilating herself of her own humanity.

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  52. Is it really anyone's business what other people do to their bodies? I mean damn! No one is saying you have to do it so leave it alone.

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  53. @Cilla

    Thank you for explaining how you saw it when you posted, and I do agree putting it out makes one more vulnerable. Maybe it is not only a subject for the parents, but also social media networks to take a positive and more restrictive stance on children and the internet.

    You are right, Dirt is not the only one that can do a search, and who knows what crazies may lay in wait.

    As an annon said sometimes this morning, I to could go on a rant about social networks. While some see them as the best thing since sliced bread, I don't see them quite that way.

    Although there is one point I want to touch on, and not directed at you per say, but the general air of things. There really could be culpability on both sides, them for posting it where people can get to it, Dirt for posting images of underage young people.

    It would be up to a court of law to figure out where the weight of blame is placed. It would only take a small touch to tip the scales one way or the other and I would hate to see her get in trouble.

    An example of my point: If someone placed a video of their child playing in a pool naked, then that image ended ended up on some pedophiles page, is the person that posted it any more guilty than the pedophile that plastered it around for their sick pleasure?

    How about if that child was subsequently kidnapped and killed?

    How about if one of these girls went on to kill themselves and sited Dirt in a suicide letter?

    I've already told Dirt I am a guarded supporter of her, and while I may not agree with all her methods all the time, I do like most of what she says, but on this, I honestly would sit back and take a look. Mostly, because this type of thing is in court with the gay boy that killed himself after being outed by friends on Youtube.

    Call it more concern for a fellow Lesbian.

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  54. Anyone is free to transition, if they wish so. And I'm free of critiquing them. Don't think your choices end up in a vacuum, because everything is connected.

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  55. "I've already told Dirt I am a guarded supporter of her, and while I may not agree with all her methods all the time, I do like most of what she says, but on this, I honestly would sit back and take a look. Mostly, because this type of thing is in court with the gay boy that killed himself after being outed by friends on Youtube. "

    I agree. Dirt, I don't think this is a meaningful way to stop the youtube trans fad. You are just receiving hate, because you are hurting them. And think of the larger implications; someone might actually committ suicide (because we know how the trans community works). I know you care about them, so please think about the more tragic consequences! I think we have all seen now how a FTM looks.

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  56. "That's because you are limiting yourself, but you are a woman and nothing else, nor the way you "pass" to others and your delusions, can change the fact. Can you explain why you are a man? Oh yes, it depends on gender / sex identity, right? Which doesn't exist. So yeah, you are a woman, and a woman who's mutilating herself of her own humanity."

    Okay, so I guess I'll tell you what YOU are: you are a transperson who is filled with so much self-hatred that you feel you have to create a blog negating other people lives, history, and truth. Even though you yourself don't know us at all. All the good energy you could have been putting towards self-love and acceptance of your trans condition has been twisted into the rejection and negation of other trans people. This not only makes you narcissistic, but also completely lacking in hubris, egotistical, and shockingly unaware of yourself. You are so busy trying to self-soothe by mentally deconstructing gender, that you can't even ask yourself WHY you are so interested in this issue.

    and this: "when your choice was to be mutilated of your complete humanity."

    What does that even mean? Was my humanity contained in my breasts? Are you God? Do you think you actually know that I am less human now? Can you quantify for me exactly which things I was imminently going to experience as a woman that I have lost the chance at now? Childbirth? Breastfeeding? The chance to see that we are all One? I see that anyway. So.. I don't think you have a corner on the market of Enlightenment. You might be smarter than a 15 year old YouTuber, but you are no expert on me.

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  57. One doesnt need to be an "expert" to know you are a self hating woman, More. You've made that quite clear here repeatedly, regardless of any mutilation or drugging you've done to your mind and body.

    dirt

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  58. wait
    anyone who questions transexuality is 'trans' oneself?
    ('more's' comments always rile me up beyond the others-
    subtly pretensious/self-righteous, like the most annoying know-it-all p.c. college girl with added testosterone)

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  59. More, I don't know wheter to say "HAHAHAHAHAHA lolololol" or something else. The latter probably, because I realize you are in pain. There is a way out, and that's accepting reality and life.

    Life is LOVE and FREEDOM. Transsexuality is suicidal and pretty coward.

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  60. Mouse, I get accused of be "trans in denial" by trans people all the time. Which completely illustrates the truth of everything this blog says/represents.

    Because I carry my feminine body differently than most women, its presumed I am less than a woman and therefore according to trans mentality (which is patriarchal gender conformity or bust) I'm really a man and should transition.

    Like the rest of the world, the trans mind cannot comprehend the life of the unconformed, let alone conceived of a life that expands the narrow notions of gender conformity.

    dirt

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  61. "you are a transperson who is filled with so much self-hatred that you feel you have to create a blog negating other people lives, history, and truth. Even though you yourself don't know us at all. All the good energy you could have been putting towards self-love and acceptance of your trans condition has been twisted into the rejection and negation of other trans people. This not only makes you narcissistic, but also completely lacking in hubris, egotistical, and shockingly unaware of yourself. You are so busy trying to self-soothe by mentally deconstructing gender, that you can't even ask yourself WHY you are so interested in this issue. "


    I'll tell you why I am so interested: Humanity means being whole. Patriarchy caused a split in male / female. We must undo the split to really start living as whole again. The trans cult is an offshot of that "divisionistic" school of thought. It isn't true to humanity and life, because to be alive it means to be whole, not mutilated, nor in denial of your own wholeness. To be trans is to be mutilated.

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  62. And why is there the whole obsession with "you don't know me, how dare you invalidate my identity?" Tell me, do I need to know personally the invisible Pink Unicorn or the Flying Spaghetti Monster to say they don't exist, because they are quite impossible?

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  63. "What does that even mean? Was my humanity contained in my breasts? Are you God? Do you think you actually know that I am less human now? Can you quantify for me exactly which things I was imminently going to experience as a woman that I have lost the chance at now? Childbirth? Breastfeeding? The chance to see that we are all One? I see that anyway. So.. I don't think you have a corner on the market of Enlightenment. You might be smarter than a 15 year old YouTuber, but you are no expert on me."

    Your humanity can never be really lost , but your awareness can be. For example, saying that woman IS basically childbirth and breastfeeding is denying females full humanity, which is what patriarchy and the trans cult is all about.

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  64. *and cutting your breasts off (parts of your lymphatic drainage system!) is mutilation, and no sane person (especially if you don't have enormously huge breasts giving actual back problems) would do that, male or female. Transsexuality justifies body mutilation with "gender". It's body mutilation the same, and unfortunately one that can't be undone. Ancient medicine, which wasn't perfect by any means either, at least understood cutting was not always the best path to solving problems. Our body is an UNIFIED ORGANISM. A change somewhere is a change everywhere, and mutilation of lymphatic system can't bring a positive change, you know, inherently.

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  65. Another thing I have to add because maybe someone has the wrong idea: all humans, male female or intersex, are equally human. Humanity can never really be lost, only its awareness can.

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  66. Thank you, allmighty Bluetraveler, for your ancient wisdom. blah blah blah.

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  67. And thank you generous Anon (the accountability!), for not giving a crap about something that probably affects you very close(as trans, I assume), denying MY OWN LIFE and work disproving your delusions (since you trans as a group like playing with that card, how about tasting your own medicine?) and discarding everything the Khoisan, Australian Aborigines, Papuans, Native Americans, and other native people on earth knew as "bla bla bla".

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  68. Funny how ftms always call us hateful. The only hateful comments I ever see here are from them.

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  69. It seems to me, like you said once Lily, they have trouble understanding disagreement is not hate. I am not transphobic in the least, I don't hate you, not even for the fact you are trans. I just think you are logically wrong, and that you might be on the road to suicide. So, is it hateful to try to stop you from my point of view?

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  70. @blue:

    "Patriarchy caused a split in male / female."

    Wait... I thought we are all actually women, because we come that way in the womb, and that everyone is still female, even men? (You wrote that in your blog)

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  71. to the bi woman

    i agree with you, i'm bi too and i could never be with a trans person. and even hypothetically if i did, i would def not feel or believe that i was with an actual natural born man or woman. it's a trans person any way you slice it (pun intended????)

    and besides, as they say, ain't nothin' like that real thing baby ;-)

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  72. Anon, the split is not biological / real, it's just experienced. Nor have I said there's absolutely no difference at all between men ("mutated females") and women ("stock females"), sexual organs being pretty evident. The fact is that those differences don't lead to any kind of split identity, either in accordance or not to our genitals.

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  73. i don't know how any one could not see the beauty of butch women, all the butch women i've ever met have been such sweethearts, intelligent, kind. BEAUTIFUL.

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  74. Yakity yak, bluetraveler!

    Jesus, are you one of these white people who delve into the religions of indigenous cultures to prove your dumb, white, privileged-ass point? Let me tell you one thing, "native american" means nothing. There are different tribes. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! Different religions, different histories, land, different approaches to life, power, work, and yes, gender amongst those tribes. They are living people, not ancient cultures to be mined by white people for their spirituality and deep connection to the earth. You have nothing to do with that and no place in that. If you are being driven to co-opt indigenous cultures by your obsession with transness I don't even know where to start with you. You are dismiss-able and dismissed.

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  75. " "native american" means nothing. There are different tribes. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! Different religions, different histories, land, different approaches to life, power, work, and yes, gender amongst those tribes. "

    And you know what? I KNOW THIS, I have said it and it proves you have read NOTHING of what I've written! At the same time, there's a strong common point all native people of the earth have in common: the belief there's only a kind of immanent infinity in life.
    By the way, I'm swarthy.

    Anon, DISMISSED!

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  76. @bluetraveler Why would someone with your intelligiene who is the Proof Queen of the internet and The Expert in the Transworld have some much free time on their hands? Yes I am being fecetious. Do you just love to hear yourself talk (see yourself type), or do you just need attention so desperately you just post post post? I remember once in here Dirt told you that you had no business contributing because you were not Lesbian.. I suggest you have nothing to contribute because you are not lesbian or a transfolk.. Actually I see you as flapping around by the seat of your pants trying to fit in..

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  77. Dirt,

    Please explain this? It seems like a contradiction.

    "There no such thing as 'gender variant', thats more bullshit dreamed up by the male medical machine created in order to maintain gender straight jackets."

    A large portion of gender variant individuals do not seek to transition medically. Many are quite happy with their bodies. Also, gender variance covers a large range of gender characteristics. Many butch women consider themselves to be gender variant, because they do not fit in the "gender strait jacket" in which you so aptly seem to confine people.

    Identity is not about what *you* think people should be. Identity is about individual expression of self. I'm sorry that the transgender community angers you so much. I respect your views on the matter, I do. But you cannot dictate other people's identities.

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  78. I agree, Bluetraveler is starting to sound a bit loopy. If she's going to take on a big issue defended by the easily-offended she can not come across this way and be successful.

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  79. Sometimes I just dont understand how some people think.

    Yeah I'm intersex, and yeah I was a really girly girl when I was young. 9-10 I just knew that i was a boy and not a girl. This was before the internet was a big thing, i did not eve know what the internet was.

    But how is intersex that much different from being trans?
    As i have said before, we dont know that much about the human brain, maybe something is so different transsexual brain?

    There is studys that have been made on both live and dead transsexuals brains done here in Europe, and they're different from a normal female or male.

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  80. I've always wondered about these studies on 'transexual brains'
    Are they done after years of hormone use which alters the brain?
    And does one's brain determine one's sex anyway?

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  81. I don't think you can realistically compare Intersexed people with "trans." "Trans" has no biological base to it, it's purely a state of mind (disorder.) Even if a "trans" person takes hormones, modifies their body, they are not "Intersex."

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  82. Queer theories and other bullshit has done better in the 90's than any facist group/party to destroy lesbian & gay rights & to weaken their struggles....
    The % of kids transitioning is far above what should be an acceptable average. What we fear in the future is a massive wave of suicide because transition is not the right answer to most issues they have, they should try to be an operationnal adult first.And their parents are just quitters & cowards.

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  83. Transition is like Meth: first you think it is cool to try a "little binder" and then you end-up bald, hairy and lonely because you scare everybody's out with your weird body and you don't know were you belong anymore....

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  84. [But how is intersex that much different from being trans?]

    No, not really. It just concerns different parts of the body.

    [I don't think you can realistically compare Intersexed people with "trans." "Trans" has no biological base to it, it's purely a state of mind (disorder.)]

    You should bother to look up the actual evidence before you go off spewing ignorance. Trans has an increasingly biological base to it.

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  85. FTM transition? Average Joe transition you mean?

    See there:
    http://www.ftmtransition.com/pictures/me/recent/recentpics.html

    If you look at the photos. Sure, I would have dated the cute woman but certainly not the "man" she became.

    I am bisexual and no way I would date such an old chap.

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  86. I'm not surprised some "trans" are trying to jump on the Intersex band-wagon. But Intersex is very different from being "trans." A FtM who becomes a hairy woman hasn't changed her gender or become a hermaphrodite. They were born women.

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  87. Intersex and trans-people are different.
    On one side (Intersex), you have a person who was born with mixed gender characteristics and a natural chemical balance between her/his hormorn, on the other side (trans-people), body changes are induced by artificial hormorns and surgeries.

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  88. It is super unfair to compare FTM and Intersex.
    When I read here: http://transenough.com/2010/04/23/jymi-cliche/
    this person self defines himself/herself as FTM/Intersex...

    Come on! It is really going too far! As most FTM do not pass as males, they now have decided to become/name themselves "Intersex"...Showing ironically how lost they are...

    Intersex people are people who were intersex at birth not people who have chosen to change their body to become an in-between creature...I am sorry!

    Dirt, do you think you can start a poll with the question "do you think FTM or MTF ie people who have modified their body sex characteristics have the right/are legitimate to be named "Intersex"?"?

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  89. [Intersex and trans-people are different. On one side (Intersex), you have a person who was born with mixed gender characteristics and a natural chemical balance between her/his hormorn, on the other side (trans-people), body changes are induced by artificial hormorns and surgeries.]

    [Intersex people are people who were intersex at birth not people who have chosen to change their body to become an in-between creature...I am sorry!]

    You don't know anything about being intersex, let alone biology... I am sorry! There are several intersex conditions that often make for transsexual intersex people. Just because there's a little more to it doesn't make it any more or less believable. The problem is in you lunatics thinking that nature has legitimacy based on your opinions. People can be different in a variety of ways. Deal with it.

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  90. @ Bluestraveler:

    I, too, am offended by people like you who appropriate Native culture and pretend to know what we're all about. I'm a registered member of the Makah Indian Nation and we have tribal and family stories that are OURS only. We do not tell even our family stories to other members of out tribe, and we do not tell "swarthy" (what does that mean?) people our tribal stories and beliefs, except on a very surface level.

    Unless you're a member of a tribe, please don't presume to speak as if you know us. It's no better than the many, many white people who have co-opted "Pacific Northwest Art" or idolize the "Noble Savage" who has some unified belief or other.

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  91. @Anon February 10, 2011 10:04 AM



    "There are several intersex conditions that often make for transsexual intersex people. Just because there's a little more to it doesn't make it any more or less believable."


    Can you give specific examples of how intersex conditions make transexuals intersex?

    "Just because there's a little more to it doesn't make it any more or less believable"

    If the "little more" is the fact that transitioners have made themselves intersex through their own actions, then yes, that is rather significant and "less believable" to use your language. The "little more" is what turns and necessary medical intervention into a wanton act of self mutilation becasue of what one "feels".


    "The problem is in you lunatics thinking that nature has legitimacy based on your opinions."

    Hmmm, so basically, what ever you feel like goes. Yes, the body you were borne with has the formost legitimacy and altering it for any non medical reason is at best questionable. There is nothing "lunatic" about such a stance.

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  92. If you're going to shoot people down for trying to learn about and understand different cultures/people whoare different from them, why complain about ignorance and apathy towards them? Why should they even bother if you're just going to reject them?

    The same happens with men who try getting into feminism. Suddenly they are trying to "mansplain" or take over somethings that's "not theirs"...but then those same women complain about their ignorance??

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  93. I did not mean to say that trans people are intersex. Because I know that they're not. I mean that it's almost like being intersex.
    But intersex is not that rare.
    1 in 2000 is born intersex, that's the same numbers as for people who are born with redhair.
    Most people that are intersex dont even know it, because it's not always that i shows.

    I was not diagnost as intersex until i was 17.

    But no, trans people should not call them self intersex. That's just wrong.

    And about what i said about transsexuals brains. The studies have been made on FtMs and MtFs, that have been on hormons and on almost as many that have not taken any hormons.

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  94. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html

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  95. "And about what i said about transsexuals brains. The studies have been made on FtMs and MtFs, that have been on hormons and on almost as many that have not taken any hormons"

    If anyone can direct me to the results of these studies I'd appreciate it.

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  96. Oh Oh, cool down guys.
    Being diagnosed Intersex and being diagnosed GID is different.

    FTM who claim they are intersex whereas they were not diagnosed as intersex are a threat for intersex people : http://www.isna.org/faq/ and http://www.isna.org/support

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  97. "I, too, am offended by people like you who appropriate Native culture and pretend to know what we're all about."

    You know, I could kinda be offended too, because I never appropriated anything and you are criticizing me for something I have never said. I just noticed many aboriginal peoples throghout the Earth, besides their obvious differences, all had something in common: the belief in an immanent life. Which is what, if I'm not wrong, something all Native American tribes share. I'm no Native American of any tribe, I'm no African of any tribe, I'm not an Australian Aborigine of any tribe and I never appropriated any culture or myth. I just NOTICED CROSS-CULTURAL SIMILARITIES, which are too obvious to be passed on (no Heaven, for example. All life is contained in this world. Even the Australian dreamtime and other similar concepts are part of our same world).

    "Why would someone with your intelligiene who is the Proof Queen of the internet and The Expert in the Transworld have some much free time on their hands? Yes I am being fecetious. Do you just love to hear yourself talk (see yourself type), or do you just need attention so desperately you just post post post? I remember once in here Dirt told you that you had no business contributing because you were not Lesbian.. I suggest you have nothing to contribute because you are not lesbian or a transfolk.. Actually I see you as flapping around by the seat of your pants trying to fit in.."

    You know why, Anon? Because I'm neglecting school. And you know why? Because I can't stand seeing people committ suicide, especially over something so STUPID. And I've never tried fitting in, it's a stupid concept. I don't belong to any group if not the biggest one, humanity. It's you trans cultists who are so DESPERATE about fitting in somewhere, wheter mainstream society or the queer community.

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  98. And you know, if there's actually someone appropriating something, it's queers and transpeople appropriating the term "Two-spirits" and other terms such as "hijra" or "galla". Talk about irony.

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  99. i briefly looked over this white-matter brain study
    will examine more closely when i get home
    am curious about the control group
    were homosexuals included?
    still i see no reason for altering the body to 'match the brain'
    bluetraveler, i think we've heard enough from you!

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  100. 'bluetraveller
    "Anyone is free to transition, if they wish so. And I'm free of critiquing them. Don't think your choices end up in a vacuum, because everything is connected."

    To fucking what?. My choices are none of your business. Stop acting like you are some kind of god to humanity. You act like you are some kind of rational person on your blog, then go behind and say shit on dirt's blog. Nobody is asking you to like trans or trans people, we are not looking for your approval, it doesnt matter to us. But stop spreading lies and disturbing our peace for fuck's sake.

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  101. Some statistics about FTM statistics (%in the whole population)with sources:

    *USA: Pauly (1968)-> 1/400 000
    *Sweden: Walinder (1967,71,79) -> 1/103 000
    *UK: Hoenig and Kenna (1974) -> 1/108 000
    *The Netherlands: Goren et Eklund (1980)-> 1/200 000
    *Australie: Ross (1981) -> 1/150 000

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  102. & studies done on the utterly undeveloped brains of young children to determine 'delaying puberty?' unconscionable

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  103. @Bluetraveler:

    Don't neglect school. You are projecting your own fear of transness and wasting your time. Saying that we are going to commit suicide is a hefty claim and not based on reality. You sound a bit closer to that potential despair than do many of the ftm's on this list. FtM's are fine and we'll be even better off when you get back to learning something. You are not qualified to tell us about our own lives with half a physics degree (or whatever it is you are supposed to be working on).

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  104. Um, anything from this *decade* or the last one?

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  105. Anon @February 10, 2011 1:15
    1)In looking at this article it appears that it's conclusions where based on studies on approx 200 people in total.

    2)They found differences in "white matter", but the article does not suggest why such a link would exist. Such a link is causual and not proof in of itself.

    3)One study cited stated that of 121 transexuals only 38% reported "gender varience" by age 5. What of the other 62%. A statement at the end of this abstract provides a clue. "Research has shown that white
    matter matures during the first 20 to 30 years of life," he says. "People may experience
    early or late onset of transsexuality and we don't know what causes this difference."
    Hmmm, a fly appears in the ointment. Could it be that socialization(ie societal gender stereotyping) be a factor)? The fact is information in the abstract itself is contradictory and really does not support the optimistic conclusions that such differences can be used to monitor children for such 'differences'.
    4)Asssuming such difference exist physically, how does it follow that the remedy should be transitioning. To me it just confirms what feminists have long contended, that "masculine" and "feminine" traits are not exclusive to men or women respectively. The question needs to be asked, why do we assign certain traits as being exclusive to men and women and why as a society are we so zealous in punishing those who fall outside of the "norm". To me such sceintific research only serves to further a sexist partriarchal agenda, especially the part of the study that suggests that MRI scans can be used on children so that puberty can be delayed, presumably so that some medical remedy can be applied to "norm" these "gender varients"

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  106. Don't trans people appropriate male identity though?

    just saying.

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  107. Thanks Canadian for reporting that!

    And whoever doesn't see the connection between transsexuality and suicides is VERY VERY IDIOTIC.
    Choices are NEVER made in a vacuum either. Don't pretend you are above criticism, because no one is, me included. Everyone has right of rebuttal. What you are doing now though, differently from me (I have never hated all transpeople, only JDR), is simply insulting me without taking seriously any of the points from the opposite faction. This says a lot about you as a group. That said, if you are so impatient in seeing me gone, well, ok. Continue playing your delusions, I'll be studying calculus instead of talking to brick walls. Ciao!

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  108. @ Bluestraveler:

    "All life is contained in this world."

    Really? Our ancestors are dead, yet they tell us things in the present, and tell us how to carry on the future. Just as one example.

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  109. You know why, Anon? Because I'm neglecting school. And you know why? Because I can't stand seeing people committ suicide, especially over something so STUPID. And I've never tried fitting in, it's a stupid concept. I don't belong to any group if not the biggest one, humanity. It's you trans cultists who are so DESPERATE about fitting in somewhere, wheter mainstream society or the queer community.


    Do you even know the meaning of body mutilation?. Get a dictionary and look it up, instead of using big words you don't know anything about.

    You are delusional and disturbed, bluetraveller. No matter how stupid you think it is, it is a big deal to someone else. People kill themselves for different reasons, and some of it may be laughable, buts its not laughing matter to someone who suffer. Anyway why I'm I wasting my time, this is just a pathetic excuse for you to act like you care when the real reason is that you have venom running through your veins, and just hate transexual males.

    What fucking humanity group are you talking about, society has always been divided in groups for most part, it shouldnt be like that, but I'm afraid it is what it is. You may not like it, tough luck. And no it not compulsory to belong to a group because you are transexual. Groups are there for people who need them,trans or not, whats so bad about that.

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  110. Are you all bashing Bluetraveller ?

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  111. Mekah - Give it a break. Your ancestors are no more special than anyone else's.

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  112. @Blues Traveller.

    Step away take a deep breath...think about something else.

    It is easy to get carried away when the conversation gets heated.

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  113. I'm not sure I can be convinced that I'm co-opting male identities, since it's MY identity I live with. Its my body that passed as male before transition and after, and clearly masculinity does not belong to men alone. If people accept me as "born-male" but then are shocked when they learn I have xx chromosomes, they need to look at all the diversity of gender and bodies around them and make fewer assumptions.

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  114. I don't mean to bash BlueTraveller but I don't believe she should be encouraged to think of herself as Joan of Arc either. That kind of martyrdom complex is often tied in with delusions of grandeur and schizophrenia.

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  115. "Have you seen the number of fat women who enter into transition? Has someone warned them T is not a diet pill?"

    Are you speaking from experience fatso?


    "In the 90's, it used to be so cool and fresh to be a FTM but now, it is like dancing break dance: old fashioned..."

    Good, so what's eating you up then?.



    "In the 10 years from now, we will have de-transition videos on YouTube."

    I bet you will be waiting and going grey for those 10 years to come by, your life is interesting. people make mistakes, and if it happens its part of life. Most people make big decisions all the time, some even more irreversible than transitioning.


    "All those women with fat female curves who try to pass as males despite their body morphology are fooling no one...."

    wow, it must be satisifying for you to "know" this. Whatever makes you sleep well at night. I wonder what those fat female curves are, that are so unique to females only.

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  116. "Are you all bashing Bluetraveller ?"

    What do you think?

    And even if? what's so wrong when the basher gets a test of her own medicine.

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  117. If Blue T was male-identified you FTMs would be riding her jock 24/7 and calling her a genius. LMAO

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  118. @February 10, 2011 3:22 PM
    @February 10, 2011 3:31 PM

    I guess we are in a school yard now? "Fasto","test of her own medicine". Transitioners do their positions a dis service when the stake their positions on appeals to emotion.
    I have not seen an even remotely rational stance but forward by this group. All I have seen basically amounts to "This is how I feel" and any questions are met with "you are denying my existance".

    It will be curious to see where we are 5 years from now. Google Renee Richards and take the hint as to how I think this will turn out.

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  119. @Canadian,

    In the not so distant future transition will be looked upon by both the general public and the medical community, like both now look upon Freeman and his icepick lobotomies, barbaric.

    dirt

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  120. "If Blue T was male-identified you FTMs would be riding her jock 24/7 and calling her a genius."

    Not likely. I rarely throw around the word genius, and never at people who assert that they know more about other people's lives than those people themselves. True genius can distinguish between a personal issue and a political one.

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  121. "I guess we are in a school yard now? "Fasto","test of her own medicine". Transitioners do their positions a dis service when the stake their positions on appeals to emotion.
    I have not seen an even remotely rational stance but forward by this group. All I have seen basically amounts to "This is how I feel" and any questions are met with "you are denying my existance".

    It will be curious to see where we are 5 years from now. Google Renee Richards and take the hint as to how I think this will turn out."

    For a very rational person, you actually have nothing useful to contribute.

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  122. "True genius can distinguish between a personal issue and a political one."

    And what could be political about gender?

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  123. "For a very rational person, you actually have nothing useful to contribute."
    you have nothing useful to contribute.

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  124. This is really just a colossal waste of time. In the end the trans community is not going to listen, and is not worth all of this time and effort that several of you are spending on it. What is going to happen will happen, what is not will not.

    As it stands, transition is not presently going in the direction Dirt dreams about. Transsexuality is a few conclusive brain studies away from being a medical condition.

    There is not a thing in the world anyone can do to stop such studies from being done. I am sure we can all find better things to do with our time while we see where it ends up. Arguing semantics is pointless.

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  125. Transsexuality has been a few conclusive brain studies away from being a medical condition for over 60 years. Keep that flame of hope alive yo.

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  126. On the subject of cultural appropriation, I personally am tired of straight and "trans" people appropriating our gay and lesbian culture.

    Obviously some of the trans apologists are freaked out by Bluetraveler because she decided not to continue on the FTM path. Apparently they find this threatening. It's the cult mentality: shaming and shunning anyone who questions the beliefs of the cult.

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  127. Bluetraveler's posts are obviously hitting a nerve, or the trans apologists would not be responding with such venom.

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  128. A bottle of club sodaFebruary 10, 2011 at 7:58 PM

    Dirt, my earlier post was satirical, and supportive of the view that there is no such thing as "gender" or "gender identity." Curious as to why you removed it.

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  129. Unfortunatly youtube has made going on T and getting top surgery seem like an extreamly casual, not a big deal kind of thing.

    Personally, I don't know why it's so easy to get your hands on hormones, or how it's so easy to change all your legal documentation. It's actually kind of alarming.

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  130. I don't care what Bluetraveler does with her body, personally. I have read her blog and I think she truly believes that she is trying to help people. I do take umbrage with her assertion that accepting one's humanity is limited to people who aren't trans. I've never thought of myself as less than human.

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  131. I may not agree with you putting up these pictures, and not because of their ages, but because your outing people without their consent. I am however man enough to offer my consent for my poorly updated channel to hopefully enlighten you. The only videos I would advise you to watch is the 2 part "doctors terminology and relationships" in the hope that it may enlighten you. The other videos really would be a waste of your time. YouTube.com/kylokeen

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  132. This thread is just one massive derail.

    All I feel I can say is, 10 years from now are you still going to be "male identified" (I would love a nongobbledegook explanation of what that even MEANS)?

    When the controversy has died down.. If no one criticizes you anymore.. If you look at yourself in the mirror and see someone you can't even recognize as yourself?..

    When an anorexic looks at herself in the mirror she sees an obese figure. When as an Ftm you look in the mirror what will you see? It is a FACT that untreated dysphoria can only get worse - changing your appearance so drastically cannot possibly cure this.

    Bodily dysphoria can be cured. But embracing delusion and removing body parts can only make things worse!

    IF YOU DISAGREE, please explain to me:

    What IS "maleness"?

    What personality traits are so exclusively male that having them means you must be one in the wrong body?

    Why are you (most of you) so lesbophobic?

    We do care about you, unlike the queer theory mongers.

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  133. Anonymous Anonymous said...

    @bluetraveler Why would someone with your intelligiene who is the Proof Queen of the internet and The Expert in the Transworld have some much free time on their hands? Yes I am being fecetious. Do you just love to hear yourself talk (see yourself type), or do you just need attention so desperately you just post post post? I remember once in here Dirt told you that you had no business contributing because you were not Lesbian.. I suggest you have nothing to contribute because you are not lesbian or a transfolk.. Actually I see you as flapping around by the seat of your pants trying to fit in..

    February 10, 2011 3:22 AM



    I totally agree with you 100%!!!! She has to put her 2 cents in on anything and everything. Hell, as we all know she's not even a dyke. She just spots on on and with her ramblings every single day. I think she just likes to see all that she types appear on her her screen.

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  134. Anonymous said...

    @Bluetraveler:

    Don't neglect school. You are projecting your own fear of transness and wasting your time. Saying that we are going to commit suicide is a hefty claim and not based on reality. You sound a bit closer to that potential despair than do many of the ftm's on this list. FtM's are fine and we'll be even better off when you get back to learning something. You are not qualified to tell us about our own lives with half a physics degree (or whatever it is you are supposed to be working on).




    -----Oh, I know, when did FTM become suicide? I would never commit suicide nor have I ever been suicidal. I totally agree with you and your comment.

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  135. 1) Hello. I am the same Anon. that provided the article. I don't know much because I am just a student and I'm not qualified in science or medicine.
    But I wondered if they were talking about the homunculus, or the mapping of our bodies that we have in our brains with corresponding neurons for different parts and tasks. Once in a Philosophy of Biology class, where we discussed Evolution among other things, this came up. The idea was that we can guess by looking at a narrow door say, if we fit in it, or by looking at a shelf if we can reach something because we have an idea of what our body looks like, with approximate measurements, etc. We also discussed the phenomenon of phantom limbs and how that has to do with the disparity between the actual lost limb (say due to an accident) and the body-map in the brain (the homunculus) that remains unchanged and still contains the mapping for this limb. We never mentioned transsexuals but I thought perhaps a parallel can be drawn here because a lot of FTMs complain about lower dysphoria, "feeling empty" or "feeling incomplete" about lacking a penis. Obviously Freud's penis envy theories have been disproven but if a female-bodied person did for some reason have it mapped in their brain as if they had a penis and no breasts say, then perhaps that would lead to a pervasive discomfort with the breasts and a sort of "phantom-penis" experience with the lower half. This is obviously pure speculation on my part but science doesn't seem to have any concrete answers as of yet.

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  136. 2) Regarding the link between transsexuals and intersexed. Again, if I am allowed to state my unprofessional opinion, I do believe that intersex people come in many variations, and not all of them are based on chromosomes. For instance an acquaintance of mine identifies as a transguy and he was born female (XX) as far as most people are concerned. However due to a rare heart disease that he has, he never developed breasts during puberty or ever menstruated. It seems that he is infertile and after seeking medical transition it was actually found that he is a variation of intersex, but not due to his chromosomes. I’m not sure if it’s purely hormonal or what. He didn’t go into a lot of detail because I only know him through a mutual friend. But perhaps in the future if there is conclusive evidence of differences in the brain structure, or neurons, etc (not sure, I'm an arts student) but which would point out that trans people are more in between sexes like intersex than the "perfect" xx-female and xy-male sex binary that society likes to uphold together with the gender binary, then maybe trans people would qualify as a kind of intersex, with biological evidence but just of the brain and not the body.
    Because what they are referring to about hormone-blockers to delay puberty is similar to current protocols about intersex people. Once upon a time if you were visibly intersex, as in a form of hermaphrodite, they would try to correct your genitals at birth, sometimes without even informing the parents, whereas now the general consensus is to let them choose at some point during their puberty,etc. So for trans people if there was pervasive discomfort with the given gender, instead of letting the body go the natural course of puberty, they could delay it until the person made the choice for better results. Once a male goes through puberty for instance, but claims he has felt he was a female all his life, or should have been born female or seeks gender-reassignment, it is a nightmare to undo the effects of testosterone and might make it impossible for this person to ever pass as a female. It is not all about "passing" obviously, and that term has a negative connotation because it implies a transition from say female-to-male instead of from always male-to more visibly male as some people would like to say... For example Kim Petras of Germany; her transition turned out better than usual appearance wise because she was on these hormone blockers so she never went through puberty as a male. (I am using the preferred pronouns of a trans person out of respect and I don’t want anyone to be overly upset or offended with this.)
    Anyway, that’s all I have to say on this matter and I will remind everyone again that I actually study Philosophy and English Literature so I’m not qualified whatsoever to speak about science or medicine, but nevertheless let me know what you think of my opinion. I apologize for the long post but I have been reading this blog for awhile.

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  137. Judge not lest ye be judgedFebruary 10, 2011 at 10:25 PM

    I am looking forward to the day when I get my top surgery and can not wait. Hopefully it will be in April or May but we shall see.

    I don't see what I am doing is wrong. It is right for me and if others don't like it then oh well. I live my life for myself and don't care what anyone thinks about it at all. This is my life and no one elses. My fiancee, my two step sons, my family, and my friends all stand by me and support me and love me for who I am. I don't need anybody or anyone to validate who and what I am.

    Transition is suicide? How the hell is that? Testosterone has not changed me what so ever in any way. I am still the same loving, caring, humorous, fun-loving, compassionate, intelligent, etc...person that I have always been...now I am am even happier because of how far I have come in my transition.

    ::Yawn::

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  138. @Anon February 10, 2011 10:16 PM



    "We also discussed the phenomenon of phantom limbs and how that has to do with the disparity between the actual lost limb (say due to an accident) and the body-map in the brain (the homunculus) that remains unchanged and still contains the mapping for this limb. We never mentioned transsexuals but I thought perhaps a parallel can be drawn here because a lot of FTMs complain about lower dysphoria, "feeling empty" or "feeling incomplete" about lacking a penis. "

    What type of "accident" would account for the empty feeling that FtM's feel? The article does not even speak of this, but talks about "white matter" in the Brain which takes 20 to 30 years to develop. A remember, this research is based on 200 people tops.

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  139. I think the only thing that might correlate ftm's with suicide is an unrealistic expectation that transitioning will solve all of their problems. Non-trans people have that hope with antidepressants, but there doesn't exist a cure-all for the human condition. We must all come to accept ourselves, and I suspect many of us are working on that, despite a crazy world. I kinda think that what causes friction is the assertion that transition (or any other ONE thing) will cause an end to all suffering. Which many of us, trans or not, suspect will not be true. In fact, I have seen transition help others to such a degree that you would have to claim, "That person had nothing else to work out than their body issues". I've seen the opposite true as well... thinking, "that person had so many many goddamn issues, that transition barely scratched the surface." Either way, is there any reason to place transpeople in a separate segment of society in regards to expectations vs. reality? All of us are gonna have to deal with the human condition-some of us find what we think is the answer, some of us don't. I personally don't think transition has been the be-all end-all experience of my life, but it has been mind-opening and given me much more compassion overall. And I get to connect physically with the archetypal male that many of us contain. That has been incredible and fascinating, many times exhilarating. I have mostly found self-acceptance in an undulating form, but I don't feel that it has a direct correlation to transition (or non-transition).

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  140. @ Canadian:

    You are right. They do not mention the homunculus at all in the article but the Swedish prof seems to refer to it here: [Guillamon isn't sure whether the four regions are at all associated with notions of gender, but Ivanka Savic-Berglund at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden, thinks they might be. One of the four regions – the superior longitudinal fascicle – is particularly interesting, she says. "It connects the parietal lobe [involved in sensory processing] and frontal lobe [involved in planning movement] and may have implications in body perception."]

    So I guess I started going off on a tangent of my own. Probably useless but yeah. There would be no accident but if it was mapped in their brain that they have a penis, and they actually lack one, that would be very confusing, as well as distressing. Kind of like losing a limb example and the feeling as if it's there, or should be there, or pain in the area. I don't know.

    I held these beliefs without reading articles anyway. I am not a science-y type of person but there has to be some basis for it. I think true transsexuals exists but perhaps the "trend" is due to misdiagnosing or over-diagnosing as often happens with stuff like ADD, ADHD, etc.

    I don't put much stock in this article. I thought I'd just introduce it for discussion as I came across it recently.

    Also, I do believe the current treatment is crap. It's kind of primitive, they've to come up with something better.

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  141. One more thing then I should really shh - too much posting for one day, and I never post, this is my first time - but when I said I held the beliefs without reading articles, I meant articles about studies done with trans people, as there aren't very many.
    I don't mean that I don't read at all. I don't want to sound like a very ignorant person. I do read lots of stuff, even gender-related stuff but not scientific journals on transexuality.
    Unfortunately I have some personal experience with gender dysphoria so...I guess hence the interest.

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  142. "The archetypal male that many of us contain."

    And here we are, folks, right back at the square we started on, the one labeled GENDER STEREOTYPES and SEXISM.

    Go directly to jail, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.00.

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  143. anon @ 10:36


    oh god, just stop.

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  144. Going to ask this again, and hope SOMEBODY answers!

    FTMs,

    What IS "maleness"?

    What personality traits are so exclusively male that having them means you must be one in the wrong body?

    Why are you (most of you) so lesbophobic?

    We do care about you, unlike the queer theory mongers.

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  145. There are more than a few looks at phantom limb in transsexuals if you consult the Oracle (Google), Canadian. Not only do male-to-female transsexuals appear to suffer from less 'phantom penis' for instance, but a few of my longer post-op friends were talking on Facebook and they could barely recall what it had been like. I think it is possible for something to 'exist' or 'not exist' depending on how the brain maps your body to yourself.

    As with the hypothesis Ramachandran and McGeoch have proposed:

    "We propose a novel and eminently testable hypothesis. If it is correct it would both provide a penetrating insight into the phenomenon of transsexuality and indicate that we have a gender specific body image, with a strong innate component that is 'hard wired' into our brains. We suggest that the systematic study of transsexuals would make a significant contribution towards understanding the manner in which nature and nurture interact to link the brain-based internal experience of body image with external sexual morphology; a much neglected and little understood subject."

    That would certainly be an interesting field of study, wouldn't it?

    Fact is, many of you do fail to realize how much we can contribute to human understanding of the brain. There are literally into the hundreds of thousands, if not into the million range of male-to-female transsexuals in the world, spanning many cultures. We can't all be wrong about feeling female (or feminine). There is something to this, whether you like it or not.

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  146. oy. one habit I've noticed that FTMs tend to pick up from aping stereotypically male behaviour is drowning FAB women's comments out with extraordinarily long ones, not even bothering to acknowledge comments that came before theirs.

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  147. It could be because we're trying not to be incessantly rude, Lily. For people who are unwilling to listen, it's very hard to want to attempt a sane, adultlike discussion with them.

    If you don't want to address someone as if they have more than 3 brain cells, expect an appropriate response.

    People in general don't like being told they're stupid.

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  148. And yes, I am aware that you didn't explicitly call anyone stupid. Yet I am aware that your condescension can hit some sore spots with people. "Aping"? Really? Are you so driven by this gender binary that you're so badly trying to get rid of that instead of promoting equality for all by LISTENING to EVERYONE and appreciating our differences, you're putting down people who are doing what they need to in order for them to be happy?

    Shouldn't you go outside and do the same? That way your comment would seem far less facetious, IMHO.

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  149. @Lily

    I'm going to try to explain this a little better. I do hope you'll bear with me, it's not easy.

    Can you always explain why you feel the way you do at any given time? Somehow, I doubt that. It is hard to connote a feeling into words with meaning that anybody can understand. Truthfully, I don't even think there are words in the English language to explain this.

    It's something you just know to yourself. You exist that way. Rather like if you are a lesbian, heterosexual, etc. Can you explain why you have your sexual orientation in definitive terms? Unlikely, again.

    I fail to understand why it is so easy for people to conceive of a massive variety of sexual attractions that include a slew of fetishes and so on, and not imagine that somebody's brain could be sexed a little differently. Is it really that much of a stretch than somebody who can enjoy scat?

    Transsexuality may seem silly, but then remember that you do not really have anything else to work off of. You have always been female, I assume, and accepted yourself that way.

    If your brain is wired our way, you have something underlying and contrasting your existence, all of your life while you attempt to live in the sex you were born as. It does not go away. Everybody picks up on what 'it' is eventually; some very sharp kids identify how they feel early on, while some people may get into adulthood first.

    Until you do, you continue to manifest oppositely sexed behavior. Which is really confusing, to say the least. Sad indeed are the people who get married or so on, only to realize that they'll never escape from this. I mean, do you seriously think that people just want to break up their happy marriage? Stand the chance of never seeing their kids again? Of course not. So you can only imagine how much of a compulsion this is.

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  150. I'm a 25 year old lesbian. I have 5brothers, I'm the youngest and only girl. My whole young/teenage life I was surrounded by pretty much nothing but men of all kinds. I had exactly 3 female friends in high school (I didn't meet any other out lesbians until college) all my other friends were guys (both straight and gay). I was friends with all of my brothers many guy friends. I guess it was a typical "one of the boys" kind of thing a lot of young lesbians experience. And through all this, what have I learned about men, the male gender, and masculinity you ask?

    The answer is: Not much at all really.

    Different people, different personalities, experiences, backgrounds, circumstances, etc etc. It's the same with women as well of course.

    No one thing could really be set in stone as to what the "definition" of these things are.

    So in reference to trans people, specifically FTMs, I have no judgement or hate towards anyone. I can't pretend to understand what they're talking about or what exactly it is that they claim to feel and why, I'd be lying if I said I did. I've read plenty about the stuff, I've talked to trans people, heard all about it, but still I just don't get it.

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  151. The thing that gets me the most about those who transition is the changing of name and legal documentation.

    If you want to have a certain type of appearance, than that's fine I guess. Often FTMs will play the "male asthetic car" claiming they simply just want a beard and a deep voice and that's just how they'd like to look. Like I said, okay, that's fine I suppose. Do what you gotta do.

    But legally changing your name, gender marker and all legal documentation? That is where you lose me. If a butch lesbian decides she wants to put on heels and a dress, nothing is altered. If a femme puts on a tuxedo, nothing is altered. If a gay man or a lesbian does drag, nothing is altered...it requires no upheaval of name and pronoun switching for everyone in your life.

    and again, how exactly is transitioning going "against the binary"?

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  152. [The thing that gets me the most about those who transition is the changing of name and legal documentation.

    But legally changing your name, gender marker and all legal documentation? That is where you lose me.]

    What'd you think we were aiming for, *imitating* another sex? Take a look at the word transsexual again, which literally means 'across the sexes'.

    [If you want to have a certain type of appearance, than that's fine I guess.]

    It has nothing to do with appearance at core. There are just quite a few shallow transsexuals, like anybody else.

    [If a butch lesbian decides she wants to put on heels and a dress, nothing is altered. If a femme puts on a tuxedo, nothing is altered. If a gay man or a lesbian does drag, nothing is altered...it requires no upheaval of name and pronoun switching for everyone in your life.]

    You are confusing transgender with transsexual there.

    [and again, how exactly is transitioning going "against the binary"?]

    For the same reason that everybody wants to pretend our birth sex is the only thing that matters. Have a look at how disturbed everybody is with our mere existence. People don't get this stirred up over something for no good reason. The proof is rather in front of your eyes.

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  153. anon @ 2:10

    do you believe everything you read?

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  154. "anon @ 10:36


    oh god, just stop."

    Forgive me if I'm not sure where I went wrong with my explanation of my standpoint. Have I been so silly? I could accept that, if it were the truth. Explain?

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  155. I'm sure in a few more years there will be clearer results of what the long-term effects of testosterone on the female body are. The medical community never could have done that without so many willing test subjects.

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  156. FTM commit suicide a few years after transition is complete (top surgery, T for 5 years) because they suddenly experience "their difference" whatever they can do to reach the targeted gender. And they understand for some of them, they did not become the "ideal male" they had in their mind...
    Maybe their expectations were too high? If they were biomales they would finally accept themselves but as their malehood was born ine the surgery and "I can do everything with my body/I have unlimited power on my body" culture, they have difficulties coming to term with their own limitations...
    I personnaly think it is super sad to see FTM friends killing themselves and I have experienced those suicides as y/our failure to really listen to them and their suffering.
    The only answer our society give them is "hey go for body modifications (surgeries, hormons)" but after all those modifications are done, nothing is made to follow them and see if they have reached a psychological balance, if they are finally happy...
    Nobody tells them, surgeries and hormon are just 10% of what should be done to transition, that the 90% are inner self and confidence development.

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  157. "it requires no upheaval of name and pronoun switching for everyone in your life."

    So you're just lazy I take it...

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  158. FTM commit suicide a few years after transition is complete (top surgery, T for 5 years) because they suddenly experience "their difference"

    I'd like to see actual studies or numbers to support this claim.

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  159. penis envy sure is a bitch, huh? so many panties in a twist, and they're all spotting!

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  160. But don't some FtM's find it a little pathetic to have to tell everybody "I want to be called by male pronouns" when they are clearly women? And then all the drama some go thru of chosing a name.

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  161. [I'm sure in a few more years there will be clearer results of what the long-term effects of testosterone on the female body are. The medical community never could have done that without so many willing test subjects.]

    Contrary to your opinion, this is nothing new. Michael Dillon was the first female-to-male transsexual, and he transitioned in 1938. That was back before 'transsexual' even existed as a term, and he still described it the same way that we do today to you. Guess you should have done your homework before making statements, huh?

    Assuming no complications, testosterone likely means they won't live as long. Men do not live as long on average, for various reasons (such as higher cholesterol production).

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  162. Anon 2:53 - Really? I'm sure never before in the history of modern medicine have we had so many women on testosterone, as with the FtM trend.

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  163. But don't some FtM's find it a little pathetic to have to tell everybody "I want to be called by male pronouns" when they are clearly women?

    What I find pathetic is the fact that you have no respect for other human beings.

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  164. [FTM commit suicide a few years after transition is complete (top surgery, T for 5 years) because they suddenly experience "their difference" whatever they can do to reach the targeted gender.]

    Here's some real statistics, unlike the ones you just made up:

    http://www.thesafespace.org/hearmyvoice/know-the-facts-2/transgender-youth-and-dating-violence/

    [Nobody tells them, surgeries and hormon are just 10% of what should be done to transition, that the 90% are inner self and confidence development.]

    Actually, you are absolutely correct there. Appearance and the body is only a small part of what really needs to be done.

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  165. Anon 2:53 - Really? I'm sure never before in the history of modern medicine have we had so many women on testosterone, as with the FtM trend.

    Trend, really? Have you been surveying the number of FtMs through out the years prior to the advent of the internet? God forbid they have a way to reach out to people like themselves, to have a community and support system. Their videos aren't out there for YOU. They're for themselves and their community. You're not going to just stumble on them unless you're specifically using 'ftm' or 'transgender' keywords.

    If thats what you people like to do in your free time, go searching for ftm youtubers, that's your business, but to act like the videos are there because of a trend or for your entertainment, you're sorely mistaken.

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  166. [Really? I'm sure never before in the history of modern medicine have we had so many women on testosterone, as with the FtM trend.]

    Yeah. It will cause their reproductive organs to malfunction, though. A hysterectomy should be required before anybody touches testosterone. That's where the complications will likely come in.

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  167. FTMs who kill themselves certainly have more problems than just that pesky old vag that's just ~*~omg eating away at their souls~*~

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  168. Is anybody else skeptical when an FtM says they can penetrate with their clits? Or do they also define that word differently?

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  169. "FTMs who kill themselves certainly have more problems than just that pesky old vag that's just ~*~omg eating away at their souls~*~"

    I can't believe I'm responding to this troll.

    You are a very callous disrespectful person. How dare you joke about suicide. How about you grow up and find something better to do since you're not contributing anything beneficial here.

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  170. "Is anybody else skeptical when an FtM says they can penetrate with their clits? Or do they also define that word differently?"

    I don't know, can you penetrate with your tongue? finger? It's safe to say they'd be able to since it can grow up to 4".

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  171. -Is anybody else skeptical when an FtM says they can penetrate with their clits? Or do they also define that word differently?-

    Is anyone skeptical that lesbians have real sex? I mean how do they do it without a penis? Amirite?

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  172. lol, disgusting swollen clits can't do shit.

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  173. "lol, disgusting swollen clits can't do shit."

    What are you talking about. Clits in all sizes and shapes are lovely.

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  174. Yes, but Lesbians don't say they penetrate with their clits. FtM's often do. So I watched the FtM stuff on XTube and saw FtM's getting penetrated from men, and getting oral from women/men, etc. but not 1 FtM penetrated anything, or could have. That's why I'm skeptical.

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  175. if most women fake orgasms with actual real men with actual real penises, the girlfriends of these ftms all deserve academy awards LMAO.

    that one inch clit nub thing isn't doing anything, sorry to break it to you "boys"

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  176. FTM clit penetration is a legend. I have dated 4 FTM in my life. One of them on T for 10 years and he used a strap on because his clit was quite normal sized.

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  177. @Dirt, is it possible for you to document with photos (from XTube) the real size of FTM clit?
    It would be a pity, women start a transition just to "have a bigger one" and then see no difference after accepting awful body changes like becoming bald and hairy...

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  178. If you detest ftms, then why are you having sex with them?

    Also, no ftm takes T just for clit growth, it's just a bonus. Some ftms don't even wants a bigger clit. And some go on to have bottom surgery.

    It's their body. It's none of your business anyway. Unless you're sleeping with them. No one is forcing you to sleep with them by the way.

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  179. "Yes, but Lesbians don't say they penetrate with their clits. FtM's often do. So I watched the FtM stuff on XTube and saw FtM's getting penetrated from men, and getting oral from women/men, etc. but not 1 FtM penetrated anything, or could have. That's why I'm skeptical."

    You think the 3 or 4 ftms on xtube is representative of the rest of the ftm population?

    Well I've seen a lot of porn and all the women have huge tits. Not one set of small tits have I ever seen. So I guess that means that small tits don't exist. And all bio men have huge 9" dicks too.

    And if you think that that's all ftms do in bed, then you need a better imagination.

    You people are so freakishly obsessed by ftms that you go to xtube to watch them?

    Are you obsessed with anyone else's bedroom behavior? This is just really really weird.

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  180. You guys claim that we're the shallow ones, but you guys are the ones obsessed with how we look.

    Interesting.

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  181. There's a reason people turn embedding off on youtube, so nutcases like you don't embed their videos to a site such as this, but you don't care and instead takes screenshots?

    If they have this feature turned on, you'd think you'd get the point that they don't want their videos exploited. I guess you don't have any common decency or sense.

    Stay classy...

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  182. Dirt, all you talk about is misogny, and how you can't stand how "everyone" hates women. Since when did blatant misandry, make up for misogny. How can someone fight for the rights of women, when they are doing the same exact thing to men?

    you are being hypocritical.

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  183. "is it possible for you to document with photos (from XTube) the real size of FTM clit?
    It would be a pity, women start a transition just to "have a bigger one" and then see no difference after accepting awful body changes like becoming bald and hairy..."

    1. I am not a woman, yea I am female, but not a woman.

    2. Clitoris growth was not my only reason for taking testosterone, you mistakenly think that trans men are women who want big clits? No, transmen want to look like the men they are, so these 'awful' side effects, they are good things for us trans men, they are awful to you because you are so obsessed with how wonderful women are, you cant imagine anyone wanting to change their sex. I would rather be bald and hairy then be as hot as Megan Fox.

    3. "and then see no difference"
    I don't know about you, but I'm sure you have never seen my genitals, but I HAVE seen a difference

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  184. @Anon February 11, 2011 2:10 AM

    Did you actually read these studies before your posted them?

    With an average sample size of appox 6 these studies prove nothing. In 2 of the studies, if you bothered to look, there is an actual over lap of data between transsexuals and the control group.

    Another, study detailing phantom limbs relied on subjective self reporting...in fact the reseracher in that study bragged that they were the firt to come up with anything conclusive.

    Grasp the concept of sample size and standard deviation, something glossed over in all of these studies and try again.

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  185. *Anonymous said...
    FTMs who kill themselves certainly have more problems than just that pesky old vag that's just ~*~omg eating away at their souls~*~ *

    ...and I suppose you thought that was funny? Pathetic!! that is really all I can say..

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  186. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKn1kB1moF8 Oh my god, this video is the funniest ever seen on binding! Kudos!

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  187. "transmen want to look like the men they are"

    ie FTM want to control the way they look unlike biomales who are happy with who they are.

    So good luck to align the ideal male image you have in mind and the reality/limitations of your body. It is a lost game/quest ;)

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  188. "Going to ask this again, and hope SOMEBODY answers!

    FTMs,

    What IS "maleness"?"

    Honestly, I don't know. It just...is.

    "What personality traits are so exclusively male that having them means you must be one in the wrong body?"

    None. It's got nothing to do with personality traits. As long as you hold onto the assumption that being trans is rooted in sexism, you're going to keep asking the wrong questions - questions that do little more than lead typically-sexist respondents to reinforce your mistaken assumption.

    "Why are you (most of you) so lesbophobic?

    We do care about you, unlike the queer theory mongers."

    Well, I don't like to think of myself as lesbophobic, although I'm sure I've picked up some lesbophobic attitudes from living in a homophobic society. I am a little queer-theory-phobic, honestly. But as far as lesbians, I'm mostly just a little clueless.

    Are some trans guys lesbophobic? Sure...and some are plain old misogynistic. Why? Because pretty much everyone in our culture is lesbophobic and/or misogynistic, it's damn near impossible not to soak it up, and a lot of trans guys have also absorbed the message that it's acceptable to express homophobia and misogyny openly as a man.

    And like everything that's socially acceptable for men and not women, some guys think if they do a lot of it it'll prove they're more of a man. It's macho posturing - call it out as that, if you want.

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  189. "One doesnt need to be an "expert" to know you are a self hating woman, More. You've made that quite clear here repeatedly, regardless of any mutilation or drugging you've done to your mind and body.

    dirt"
    Surely if one is doing that to their own body, then it should be "self hate" then, which IMO would be none of your business. They are loads of people who do things with their body that most people don't approve of. I have not heard anyone calling them women or men haters because of it. If trans women change their bodies, I don't hear you calling them men haters. Oh No, it's because they are trying take control of your women bodies. Talk about hypocrisy.

    You like to find misogyny in everything, that is your problem.


    "I'll tell you why I am so interested: Humanity means being whole. Patriarchy caused a split in male / female. We must undo the split to really start living as whole again. The trans cult is an offshot of that "divisionistic" school of thought. It isn't true to humanity and life, because to be alive it means to be whole, not mutilated, nor in denial of your own wholeness. To be trans is to be mutilated."

    You may be a learned person, but you are not the knowerer of the whole universe. Your mathematical formulas and physics equations, cannot dismantle life's questions. Life is not learnt in a book, if transexuality, is stupid, irrational and whatever you say it is, so be it. It doesnt have to make sense to you, heck so be it, maybe its not supposed to make sense to anyone. life is pretty senseless and irrational. You expect everyone to live by your own philosophical views, what are you god?. I don't even believe in one anyway. What works for you, doesn't work for everyone. what get's me is how you are so self righteous and so self entitled. Its not about you, other people have a right to make choices that works for them.

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  190. "a lot of trans guys have also absorbed the message that it's acceptable to express homophobia and misogyny openly as a man. "

    but in the same time, FTM stay at the board of the National Centre for Lesbian Rights...We are living in a strange world...

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  191. @ Anon 11:13:

    "transmen want to look like the men they are

    ie FTM want to control the way they look unlike biomales who are happy with who they are."

    What planet do you live on?? Biomales just accept and are happy with whatever they got? Then why are there so many ads for Viagra, penis enlargement, "Extenze" pills to make them grow larger, etc.? Why are all the guys on TV and on underwear packages and in movies all muscular with square jaws and broad shoulders? How do you think that makes biomen feel about themselves when they don't measure up?

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  192. "But legally changing your name, gender marker and all legal documentation? That is where you lose me. If a butch lesbian decides she wants to put on heels and a dress, nothing is altered. If a femme puts on a tuxedo, nothing is altered. If a gay man or a lesbian does drag, nothing is altered...it requires no upheaval of name and pronoun switching for everyone in your life."

    "The thing that gets me the most about those who transition is the changing of name and legal documentation."

    Transexuals are not the only people to change their documents, most women change their names when they get married, do they lose out their birth family and identity? you tell me. I know for a fact that they are a lots of reasons why people change names(hate name, anglocise name,find a cool/fun name, charity etc), in some countries like the Uk, you don't even need a reason. its your personal right. Changing your sex on docs is still a controlled processes, its doesnt have to be. Some countries recognise "third sex" in the law. And no your birth name or birth sex is not some sacred thing that you need for survival, its doesnt hold keys to the real you.You can be called 211 and still be you. Transexuality and homosexuality are not the same thing, don't be fooled by the sexuality at the end.

    "Anon 2:53 - Really? I'm sure never before in the history of modern medicine have we had so many women on testosterone, as with the FtM trend."

    Females have always been on T, its produced in the body. its not an exotic thing.

    Testestorone is used in medicine for a lot of ailments, in treating women. Testestorone is not some poison like some people like to paint it out to be, stop with the nonsense already millions of people take in chemicals/substances in their bodies. The food/drink we eat/drink is choked with chemicals, and hormones. Chemicals are all around us and we ingest them everyday, sometimesunitentionally, maybe you should be concerned about that, that worry over someone using T delibarately.

    Some people here like to hide behind T side effects on the female body bla bla , to stop people from transitioning, really are you finished advicing the millions that are dying from alcohol and tobbaco use. May i remind you those are potent killers more than T and millions die from them.

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  193. "ie FTM want to control the way they look unlike biomales who are happy with who they are."

    This statement is contradicting itself. bio males, and bio females are happy with their bodies because they are BIO. They are not transgendered.


    "So good luck to align the ideal male image you have in mind and the reality/limitations of your body. It is a lost game/quest ;)"

    Think I haven't thought of that? Not all transgendered people just jump into transition thinking they will turn out looking like brad pitt. I will never look like brad pitt, and I don't want to. I just want to look like a masculinized version of myself. You think I haven't thought of all the ways my body is holding me back? Of course I have, but you know what? NO ONE is happy with their body, I would rather be a little bit unhappy with my body, then completely unhappy with my body and not even able to identify it.

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  194. "The thing that gets me the most about those who transition is the changing of name and legal documentation."

    Feminist Separatists have been doing this for years. They drop their donors name (last name), as they call it, and use their middle name for their last name...

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  195. Anon at 1:42 - Don't kid yourself, the medical community has NEVER before had such a large group of (willing!) women to experiment on to see what the long-term effects of testosterone on the female body will be (among many other things) as they have now with the FtM's. Not only that, but I think many FtM's who opt for bottom surgery (at least in Europe where insurance pays for the surgery)are being used as guinia pigs/test subjects for procedures they are trying to perfect for use on real men who have penis injuries, etc.

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  196. About the bottom stuff:

    * dickclit after stimulation: http://images2.hiboox.com/images/3507/m049af1o.jpg
    * phalloplasty surgery video:
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1nj72_phallopastie-partie-1_people
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1nk0w_phalloplastie-part-2_tech
    *Phalloplasty surgery photos:
    http://www.hiboox.com/images/0107/e9d5bf6.jpg
    after the prosthesis was put inside the penis:
    http://images2.hiboox.com/images/4107/732qdxdc.jpg
    http://images2.hiboox.com/images/4107/6xr9p6cj.jpg

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  197. K, so how do I report this, They are using a picture of me. it's the 1st one. I am only 15. so help out?

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  198. Other photos of dickclit (all photos after stimulation):
    *http://www.ftmvariations.org/sg/src/1292615016780.jpg

    Photos of metoidioplasty surgeries result:

    * http://www.ftm-transsexuel.com/forum/download/file.php?id=628
    * http://ftm-transsexuel.info/blog/images/j2_2.jpg

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  199. How to de-transition? And how much does it cost to de-transition?

    A lot of FTM want to de-transition those days.

    Here are the relevant information depending at which step you are of the transition...

    1/ De-transition before T and any surgery.

    Just remove your binder, go for less masculine clothes and explain transition is not for you to all the persons who have pushed you to do it. Be firm. If too pressure is done on you, cut all ties using using anti-brainwashing anti-cult techniques...

    You may need a reconstruction of your breast tissues in 80% of the case because binding causes permanent damages.

    The cost of de-transition at this stage is around 4000$ if a breast tissue minor surgery ha to be done to "repair" the damages made by the binder.

    2/ De-transition post-T, post binding, prior any surgery

    A reminder about the permanent effects of T:
    * dick clit growth
    * facial and body hair (can be removed with laser)
    * baldness
    * bones structure
    * lower voice

    and the non permanent effects of T:
    * fat distribution
    * muscle mass
    * heat sensitivity
    * period stop
    * libido increase
    * skin thikness/acnea
    * body & skin smell

    So if a FTM wants to de-transition (prior to any surgery), she will have to:
    * stop T,
    * go for laser during 3/4 years every 2 months (body and facial hair removal)
    * have hair implant
    * go for voice therapy

    The cost for de-transition includes:
    * 4000$ breast minor reconstruction (due to binder)
    * 3000$ of laser hair removal
    * 500$ of voice therapy
    Total cost of de-transition: 7500$

    3/ De-transition post T, post binding, post surgeries

    3-1/ If she had already done top surgery, she will have to pay for breast implants & surgery.

    Cost: add 6000-10000$ to the total above

    3-2/ If she already had hystero, she will need to be on oestrogen the rest of her life...

    Cost: budget 50-100$/month to the total above

    3-3/ If she had bottom surgery, she will have to pay for a vaginal reconstruction surgery...

    Cost: add 14000$ to all the costs above...

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