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Saturday, February 19, 2011

Open Comments, TransTrolling and Disruptions

For most of this blog I have moderated comments, I have done this for two reasons. The first is because I quickly discovered there was no place online where one could even question the trans disorder let alone write and discuss truthfully about how and why this disorder develops, specifically the misogyny behind it. Second, the reason this serious feminist issue couldn't be written about/discussed was because if anyone tried they were either immediately attacked by those suffering from the trans disorder, slandered or the discussion would be hijacked. Nothing that we all havent witnessed recently since I've opened up the comments here.

This blog will continue to be a space and voice for women, particularly lesbian women and the issues that affect them/us and their/our community/spaces. So long as lesbians develop the trans disorder and lesbians get lumped in with the queer alphabet soup, the misogyny that informs the reasons for both will remain at the forefront of this blog. That said, so truth can also remain at the forefront of the posts and comments, if your comments are not on topic or at least in the ballpark they WILL be deleted.

There are hurt, confused young females out there searching for answers to stop their pain and end their self hatred, there are TONS of trans sites out there that are willing to help them continue in their pain and more. This blog is and will continue to be ONE space where they can come to understand why they are in pain, which will enlighten them and give them the power and courage to finally end their pain by learning to love themselves.

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  1. I agree transpeople who logically present arguments opposite to yours shouldn't be censored, which has happened in the history of this blog.

    That said, why hasn't one single transperson tackled a single VALID point that isn't "Dirt is obsessed/Dirt is ugly and insecure and smells bad/Dirt is hateful "(many of these "objections" have been said to me and others as well"? One valid point, for instance, is "transition is / isn't mutilation". You know where I stand.

    Objective arguments is what we need. Ad hominem personal attacks is exactly what we don't.

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  2. "There are hurt, confused young females out there searching for answers to stop their pain and end their self hatred, there are TONS of trans sites out there that are willing to help them continue in their pain and more. This blog is and will continue to be ONE space where they can come to understand why they are in pain, which will enlighten them and give them the power and courage to finally end their pain by learning to love themselves."

    This is beautiful, Dirt. I wish I could have read your blog sooner actually. But please don't censor the folks who disagree with you but aren't offensive, first because your arguments are rock-solid, they stand on their own quite well, and then because it's unfair if you want to really change their faulty reasoning. They won't ever learn and change if you erase their posts out of sight, and the act will damage your reputation and honesty as well.

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  3. "They HAVE. She deletes them almost immediately. There is no real discussion here, only lopsided bullshit."

    Well then, I'll gladly wait until they come back and then see, sidestepping all the FTM hatred in between. It's THAT which should be censored anyway (though it's also very prevalent honestly, so it's a quite accurate portrayal in my experience. Not that every transperson is that immature, but many peeps I have met at Susan's were)

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  4. As I've said a 100 times, I'm not here to argue, there is nothing to argue. If people do not like this info this blog provides there are a zillion others out there they can be reading.

    And if folks choose to read and comment, if the comments are not on the topic at hand, they will be deleted.

    dirt

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  5. Uhm Dirt, deleting those trans commenters wasn't exactly a honest or logical idea. IMO issues should be faced, not swept under the rug, as they will come back eventually. We all need to be OPEN, it's a very courageous act because it leaves ourselves very vulnerable (the armorless soldier is way braver than the armored, for instance, and also a lot more mobile...). Of course offensive commenters should be deleted, but those two weren't offensive. With this needless censorship you are harming your beautiful arguments actually; trust me, they don't need censorship to be protected, they are true. Truth is the best defense.

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  6. *I don't think those two strayed from the topic at hand, the first especially.

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  7. And truth is whats provided here.

    dirt

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  8. It might be useful to have a "read this first post" addressing the the standard pro-trans arguments. (Like "But I just FEEL like a man!" and "Trans people are intersex!" and "Butbutbut lots of FTMs are nellie gay guys and lots of MTFs identify as butch lesbians so how can you say they reinforce gender stereotypes?!?!?!?!" and "OMG you just hate men and want to see them eliminated!!!") Posters who simply repeat these arguments without adding anything new could then be deleted without accusations of censorship.

    Flooding the comments section with canned recitations from Ye Olde Gender Studies catechism, with no acknowledgment that Dirt has addressed these arguments before, is also a form of verbal aggression, even if it's subtler than the ad hominem attacks.

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  9. I agree Dirt, your points are actually very consisent with those of someone never harmed by the trans cult (i. e. , truth). But I don't think deleting those who don't agree with you is a fair way of proving it. A fair way of proving it, for instance, would be to prove where they went wrong. A scientific theory, for instance, is actually STRENGTHENED if it can come out of criticism (think of Darwinian evolutionary theory VS creationism. I think the analogy extends to your thoughts VS the transaganda for the record). I'm sure that if you leave those comments to be many intelligent people like the anon who commented in that other thread will see they are wrong in some parts at least, and show it. In that way, your reputation of honesty won't be going down as well, practically speaking.

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  11. (Sorry for overposting) I think actually building a "TransDerailing for Dummies" might be an excellent idea, it might spare bloggers lots of time spent elsewhere and it would provide a very, very clear comment policy.

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  12. As stated in this post ALL COMMENTS NOT ON TOPIC WILL BE DELETED PERIOD. Thats not deleting comments I dont agree with, there are TONS of comments posted I dont agree with, comments I agree with not on topic will equally be deleted.

    If you do not like how this blog operates, again, there are a zillion other blogs out there that might be more to your liking.

    dirt

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  13. The first time I was on this blog I was shocked that there was someone who doesn't writes nice things about transpeople and has no fear of being insulted. Trans people want tolerance but they are intolerant pricks too.

    Just look at this site I found on "encyclopedia dramatica":

    http://community.livejournal.com/wtf_inc/1070740.html

    This guy laughed about this ugly prosthetic penis and the trans trolls were not amused. Just look at the first comment:

    "shut up you fucking moron. obviously you dont understand, nor care to understand the actual struggle that some people have to go through. obviously you have no respect for people or human beings. you're probably a bigot, a misogynist, and a racist. way to go."

    Yeah trans trolls way to go!

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  14. (I'm Anon@11:51). I'm really struck by how often the "you hate men" argument gets trotted out, despite the fact that Dirt and other critics of trans ideology have repeatedly affirmed that 1) there's nothing wrong with being a man, therefore men don't need to seek to become women to express certain traits, and 2) men are born, not medically created, and 3) gay men have the right to keep their spaces male only.

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  15. Well, Encyclopedia Dramatica and John Solomon's review of "Pastel Defender Heliotrope" were the beginning of my salvation actually.

    I am thinking of making a "TransDerailing for Dummies" to save time to me and others and define a clear comment policy, so that the usual, boring arguments (like "trans is no harm to feminism!", "mine is not body mutilation!", etc.) can be debunked just once and not 1000 times. It will be public domain and I hope with multiple writers. So hopefully the accusations against Dirt and censorship will stop.

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  16. Okay, I hope this is reasonably on-topic. Anon@12:03...No need to go to Encyclopedia Dramatica -- you do realize that's the online handbook for trolls??? It really is a bunch of misogynistic, racist, homophobic white guys who scour the internet for people to attack. Some of the stuff that attracts their attention really is sick and disgusting (even a broken clock is right twice a day), but on the other hand, they like to wallow in everything sick.

    It's really very easy to find examples of trans activists screaming bigotry when confronted with genuinely respectful, feminist arguments, without ever going near ED.

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  17. Anon@12:13,

    I couldnt agree more! ED is all bullshit and balls and no brains.

    dirt

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  18. Is it correct to assume that 'transsexual' is not a valid concept for the majority of your readers and they deny the existence of 'transsexuals' per se? Or is it the 'transgender' that is refuted?

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  19. Dirt you're going to laugh because I need to ask a question and it is not on topic but I didn't know where else to ask.
    Do you know of any place to send ftms looking for detransitioning support?
    Thank you for your reply.

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  20. Outside of my email addy Gallus, I know of no place.

    dirt

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  21. So I can direct them to your email? Even fully transitioned regretters? OK thanks Dirt that is awesome.

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  22. Gallus, yes. I speak with several females who were in various stages of transition and decided to stop, one of which has become a close dear friend.

    dirt

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  23. Dirt why did you delete the link to the facebook detransitioners support group?

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  24. And you deleted the thing about the Yahoo group for detransitioners.

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  25. I did not have a link for yahoo detransitioners and blue has made a post on her blog for her FB group.

    dirt

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  26. OK, Dirt I wish you would join that Facebook group, your help would be invaluable.

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  27. I second that! I could expand the membership requirement for you since you are the main inspiration for most detransitioners!

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  28. How about worrying about yourself? The LGBT community doesn't need hate coming from within. You don't want to be judged for being butch, and I'm sure would piss and moan plenty about a blog that was saying you're ruining you life for looking like a man and not meeting society's idea of what a woman should portray. You want to write a blog? How about going after something that is really an issue. Go feed the homeless, fight for the right to marry.. any of these would be better than wasting your time spreading more hate. What you do isn't spreading awareness and helping, it's spreading hate and judgment.

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  29. Anon @ 10:02 Why don't you mind your own business.

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  30. @GallusMag...Anon @10:02 is right....why not worry about your own damn self? Why worry about what others are doing instead of your own damn self? Obviously your parents never taught you to mind your own damn business. What's wrong with parents these days? Not teaching their kids any damn manners? What's up with that shit?

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  31. @anon February 19, 2011 11:20 PM




    "....why not worry about your own damn self? Why worry about what others are doing instead of your own damn self? Obviously your parents never taught you to mind your own damn business. What's wrong with parents these days? Not teaching their kids any damn manners? What's up with that shit?"

    A case study in self absorbsion.
    News Flash: People can worry about/deal with their own stuff and be concerned about and engaged with others at the same time. What if people in the '60's had "minded their own business" and had not spoken up about about the injustices around them? There would be no feminism, no stonewall,no pride days. People in Germany minded their own business and their manners like their parents said to do while their neighbours were being sent away and gassed.

    Regardless, of what one might think about dirts views, I think we could all agree that if dirt thinks that others are being harmed by a questionable medical practice that she and others have a right to raise flags and ask questions amd not just "mind her own business"

    Further to that. MtF's and FtM's are engaged in seeking accomodations for their condition from society at large. Because of this, society at large deserves the right to evaluate such requests for those accomodations and ask relevent questions.

    I am puzzled by the contradictory positions of trans and trans supporters. On one hand they present as a persecuted minority because of their "condition", but on the other hand they contend that other mind their own business as if being trans was more of a personal choice rather then a "condition" Which is it?

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  32. I think it's important to have a place where people can look critically at the "trans" question. Dirt deseves a round of applause for putting so much time and energy into giving us a disscusion forum like this. In some sociological-academic-type settings there are beginning to be some critical discussions on trans, but Dirt's is really the best forum I know of.

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  33. trans people forfeit all dignity. i feel only pity for them.

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  34. "I am thinking of making a "TransDerailing for Dummies" to save time to me and others and define a clear comment policy, so that the usual, boring arguments (like "trans is no harm to feminism!", "mine is not body mutilation!", etc.) can be debunked just once and not 1000 times. It will be public domain and I hope with multiple writers."

    I was thinking of doing a list of common trans arguments and how they're flawed in the near future. Feel free to incorporate some of them into your TransDerailing For Dummies, if you'd like.

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  35. And if both of you like, comment/email me the list and I'll post it on the side so going forward others can use the list to eliminate nonsensical arguments and wastes of time.

    dirt

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  36. Were any of these comments on topic, other then dirts replies?

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  37. Several of us HAVE tried to have an open dialogue, free from name-calling or other personal attacks. I, personally, have responded to several posts and spoken my own truth. Without fail, those comments never see the light of day.

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  38. Anon@4:36,

    As has been repeated here ad nauseum, this blog is primarily dedicated to disseminating truthful info and discuss lesbians, the Butch/Femme community, the male medical machine, the development of the trans disorder and how misogyny affects them all.

    And as has been repeated here before when the trans community opens its very closed doors, then and only then will an "open dialogue" be possible.

    dirt

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