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Sunday, February 27, 2011

Manhood, when Anorexia fails Females

Since Twiggy first hit the run way and the cover of ladies magazines everywhere, anorexia has sky rocketed! According to wiki, Twiggy's "career quickly took off.[19] She was 5'6" tall (short for a model), weighed a mere 6½ stone (41 kg, 91 lbs) and had a thin, boyish 31-22-32 figure". By today's standards Twiggy would be a cow as her weight wouldn't dangerously put her in close proximity with death's door like today's top models. But what happens when today's anorexic models, aren't thin enough?

When models like the late Isabelle Caro are asked to lose 10 pounds? Why then you simply get a MAN to do the less than adequate job female models arent able to perform due to their biology. Enter Andrej Pejic, a biological male whose male biology (tall, lean muscled, naturally low body fat, no pesky periods to maintain body fat for and tiny male hips) is being utilized to model designer female clothes that female models cant starve themselves into.

What kind of message is this sending to females, particularly young females easily influence by high and pop culture? That if they trade in their womanhood for manhood they too can be superior to the inferior female creature? Is it a mere coincidence that anorexia and other eating disorders run rampant throughout ftM communities everywhere?

If we look at the big picture confronting us, this is yet another kick in the face of all women, of all races, everywhere.

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  1. "What kind of message is this sending to females, particularly young females easily influence by high and pop culture? That if they trade in their womanhood for manhood they too can be superior to the inferior female creature? Is it a mere coincidence that anorexia and other eating disorders run rampant throughout ftM communities everywhere?"

    Interesting, seeing that pro trans posters have cited weight loss as one of the advantages of "T". How can they maintain that they are bucking societal norms one hand, but feverishly endorse them on the other? Ironic no?

    The high fashion industry has been defeminzing women for ages. Using MtF models is the logical end point of this trend.

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  2. "weight loss as one of the advantages of "T""

    Yes but T is not a diet pill.

    To all fat FTM, move your ass, follow the guys advices on beefheadfitness or the advices given by Dirt on her blog and work-out, don't wait for T to do all the job for you! You lazy fat ass!

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  3. T is far more likely to make you fatter not thinner. And it will not delete your hips, which are part of your bone structure.

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  4. There's the problem, all the top fashion designers are flaming gay men. They don't like women inherently and they want to dress flamboyantly but it's not accepted by society that men could dress that way so they live it out on the fashion walk.

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  5. T actually redistributes fat and increases metabolism, through the redistribution, female hips are thinned, along cellulite reduced/erased.

    dirt

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  6. Okay this T fat redistribution is a myth. Look at this guy who is on T for 11 months : http://www.youtube.com/user/Number1AlphaFucker#p/u/1/SsAVf6oPRiQ
    Look at time code O:59 on the video and believe me, I am a woman with a healthy life style, I have "female hips" but I do not have his huge female hips you can see in the video and I don't need T to get thinner...
    His big fat mama's hips (at 24's) are the proof T redistribution is marketing bullshit from hormon manufacturers...

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  7. I heard of that guy, I think he looked amazing, very androgynous. I love androgyny, to me it's art.

    But that's not to say I think the fashin world is cool, it's stupid and I don't get it. But as most of the designers are gay men, they obviously want the women to look as close to a man as possible in body. I believe it was described as 'a girly face on a boyish body' or feminine facial beauty bound with a more masculine/flat physique.

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  8. @ Anon 5:25:

    That T redistributes your body fat to a more naturally male pattern is not a myth, it's a fact. There are fat men, fat women, fat transmen, and fat transwomen. Just because you saw one video of someone who isn't properly working out and eating right doesn't disprove the fact that T, generally speaking, redistributes your body fat.

    I can always tell you apart from the other posts because you spell "hormon" wrong, by the way. You're one of the most insulting FTM haters on here.

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  9. "If we look at the big picture confronting us, this is yet another kick in the face of all women, of all races, everywhere."

    Absolutely.

    "That if they trade in their womanhood for manhood they too can be superior to the inferior female creature?"

    I would hope young people would realize that normal men don't look like Andrej Pejic any more than a normal woman looks like Giselle. But obviously not if they are having such insecurities in the first place.

    I will admit that I have had an eating disorder in the past. Bulimia. I would binge eat when I was depressed or anxious instead of confronting my feelings, then purge because I wanted to lose weight to appear more masculine, and also because I felt fat equated to failure. Eventually I did take control, but not by taking "T", I just had to learn to face my issues and accept myself. Of course I am still transgender, but the simple decision that outer appearance is irrelevant lead to a lot of inner peace. Eating disorders can ruin, control, and ultimately end peoples' lives. No matter what is causing them, they need to be treated. It's a shame how they are dismissed as "phases" or considered "normal" in young people. I can't think of anything else that deadly that is so largely ignored.

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  10. You're an idiot. Anorexia, body and other eating disorders run rampant in the population of all female born people and increasingly amongst populations of boys and men. It's a problem for everybody.

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  12. i'm torn about your post. i think it is misogynistic that fashion designers are having Andre model as a woman, provided he doesn't identify as one. saying "this man is the standard of female beauty" sends the wrong message, indeed. but tell me, when are the fashion industry and pop media sending the right message? and, goodness he is pretty. seeing him model as a man, regardless of the clothing, would be nice.
    i think it's a big stretch to say having Andre model women's clothing is going to cause young girls to think of transition or desire to be men. just because two things happen, even if they happen in sequence, does not make them cause and effect. that's a logical fallacy, and one you tend to make often.

    "That if they trade in their womanhood for manhood they too can be superior to the inferior female creature? Is it a mere coincidence that anorexia and other eating disorders run rampant throughout ftM communities everywhere?"

    you honestly don't think trying to live up to a male body has a hand in the disproportionate amount of eating disorders affecting the ftm community? as a recovering (cause one never REALLY recovers, but i've been healthy for a couple years now) bulimic, i can honestly say my eating disorder was born of me constantly comparing my body to my best (cismale) friend's, and wondering why his was lean and flat and muscled and mine was not. i couldn't control my body and make it look or behave how i thought it really should be looking or behaving, but i could control my ED, and i wanted the ED to help me loose weight so i could match more closely a male physique. this began when i was twelve. my family in general is rather fat-phobic, so i'd heard derogatory things said about fat people (males and females) all my life, so like the anon before me, i equated being fat with being a failure and numerous other negative characteristics.

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  13. "weight loss as one of the advantages of "T""

    Yes but T is not a diet pill.

    To all fat FTM, move your ass, follow the guys advices on beefheadfitness or the advices given by Dirt on her blog and work-out, don't wait for T to do all the job for you! You lazy fat ass!

    February 27, 2011 4:42 PM



    Was that necessary to sit and call someone a fat ass? I mean come on...are we in kindergarten still? Throwing insults out to people is just rude and child-like.

    I've been on T for a year and 7 1/2 months and have not lost any weight from it. It's not a big deal to me as if I want to lose weight I will workout and stuff.

    Dirt, BTW I like your workout tips. I liked the workout log that you posted last week. I am gonna try to print it out as soon as I buy my printer tomorrow. Got any suggestions for a good cardio workout to shed the pounds? I'm not that much over weight but I do need to lose some weight.

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  14. Brandon,

    Are you going to gym or doing cardio on your own?

    dirt

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  15. Parker, stop idolizing this Andre then. The problem is all there!

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  16. @Dirt, I am not yet going to the gym but when my fiancee and I get our own place again, hopefully soon, we will be joining a gym. I have a recumbent bike right now that I bought last April. I also have a bender ball, home abdominal machine, some dumbbells, and a workout video. I'm looking to lose like 40 lbs right now. I'm not worried about building muscle, just losing weight for the time being.
    My doctor put me on Seroquel for sleep a year or so ago and it has caused me to gain a lot of excess weight and I hate it! I am off of it now but now I gotta lose the damn weight!

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  17. Brandon, that seraqual (poor spelling sorry) is a killer for weight gain, i know people who eat right gym daily and still cant drop the weight, but they are still on it...

    as for 'T' helping with weightloss, umm incorrect, it increases your energy levels, which then you exercise more thats how you lose weight on 'T' then there is people like my self, before i start HRT i was severly underweight i weight around 45kgs and im around 5'9", since HRT im now around 70kgs i dont work out, and i didnt just gain muscle i also gained fat, i struggled with gaining weight pre HRT it was a never ending battle, and not by choice...

    as for the fashion industry, and models, and pop culture i think we all know the harm that is doing

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  18. According to the fashion industry and whatnot, a woman is supposed to be thin. I don't get it at all. What's wrong with a woman having some meat on her bones? I would never be with someone who is skinny as a rail. It just isn't healthy looking at all.

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  19. Dirt, My metabolism has not increased one bit since being on T. I wish it would though. I still have the same gut I had pre-T. I need to burn this $hit off and NOW!!!!

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  20. @5:18 PM

    Well that is not true

    3 out of the 10 top designers this years are female..

    Valentino Garavani
    Tom Ford
    DONATELLA VERSACE
    Alexander McQueen
    BETSEY JOHNSON
    Ralph Lauren
    John Galliano
    Domenico Dolce & Stefano Gabbana (team)
    Marc Jacobs
    STELLA MCCARTNEY

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  21. the worst is when these obese FTMs get top surgery, and you can tell the surgeon was just like "...fuck my life." LMAO. It's just rolls of fat and scar tissue stapled together with no rhyme or reason whatsoever.

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  22. "the worst is when these obese FTMs get top surgery, and you can tell the surgeon was just like "...fuck my life." LMAO. It's just rolls of fat and scar tissue stapled together with no rhyme or reason whatsoever."

    How about all the obese Lesbians? Obese is obese whoever it is.. Look at Master Amazon or whatever her name is. She is no lightweight and a butch lesbian..

    You are a shallow person..

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  23. bluestravler, are you really that simple minded? no one thing is ever the entire cause of another thing. if what you're talking about is my eating disorder, "idolizing" andre is not what caused it. i don't idolize him, by the way, i just think he's pretty. if you're referring to my trans status, "idolizing" andre is, again, not what caused it.

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  24. obese lesbians do not get top surgery, genius.

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  25. That is so incredibly sad and odd! I had no idea that designers were doing this now. Thank you for posting this.

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  26. " i don't idolize him, by the way, i just think he's pretty."

    Same thing!
    (BTW, what do you think of Adrian Dalton, FTM drag queen?)

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  27. @Anon, February 27, 2011 5:25 PM

    Maybe this guy does not want to look like a guy?
    He has a low voice but this body is not masculinised: he has a female body, no facial or body hair.
    So the results even with his top surgery and even on T for one year is closer to a female body than a male body.
    And I agree with February 27, 2011 5:57 PM, "because you saw one video of someone who isn't properly working out and eating right doesn't disprove the fact that T, generally speaking, redistributes your body fat."
    Maybe this guy is eating more since he is on T and so the fat redistribution is not so obvious.
    The only risk is if he eats too much he may have this kind of issues: http://www.embarrassingproblems.com/problem/breast-problems/breasts-in-men

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  28. Yeah sure T makes your metabolism higher, but at the same time it make you eat alot more. Because the body is building new muscle.
    So it's 50/50.
    People transguys who want to lose weight should just workout more like any normal person.

    I have gained almost 10 kg on T, but it's pure muscle and no fat.

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  29. @Intersex-Man, were you the thin type or the pear-shaped type prior to T? Do you think weight should be lost befor going on T? How to deal with the top surgery healing when you can't work-out? Are you on a diet? Thanx!

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  30. Bandon,

    How about I do a post on home cardio workouts? I try to put something together this week.

    dirt

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  31. Can those who posted workout/diet questions please address them in the post I just created so we can stay on topic here.

    thank you

    dirt

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  32. my comment got deleted because i used a forbidden prefix. censoring your blog is the easiest way to get people to discount what you have to say, dirt. if your message could survive free and open debate then you could rest assured knowing it had some validity, but you never give it that chance. by policing the WORDS people can use on here, you're doing your entire message a disservice; you're invalidating it.

    so my deleted comment, sans prohibited prefixes:


    "Same thing!
    (BTW, what do you think of Adrian Dalton, FTM drag queen?)"

    i think you have conflated idolization with thinking something or someone is pretty. now, your emotional range might be so narrow that these are the same thing for you, but that's not how it works for me. idolization and appreciation of beauty are entirely different phenomena, though not always separated from one another. in this case, though, it is. i don't idolize andre and it's just silly to assert that i do. if i idolized and wanted to be everything i think is pretty i'd be a walt whitman poem butterfly sunrise, and that's just this morning. see the difference between the two evaluations of value, bluestraveler?

    also, i think adrian dalton is awesome. anyone who so openly challenges the notions of gender is a-okay in my book. i actually have a friend who is a transman and he does drag wonderfully. the thing is, all gender is performance. regardless of whether you feel at home in your body as it was born or if you feel a discontinuity between your self identity and your body, whatever gender you do, you are performing. always. all the time. thank goodness there are people out there writing alternative scripts; it gets boring watching the same show over and over.

    -parker

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  33. @Parker,

    Trans made up nonsensical words created merely to escape the reality of biology do nothing to further discussion. There are REAL words with REAL meaning that can easily be utilized to convey your feelings/beliefs.

    You may choose to live in your own reality, making up your own trans language as you go, but HERE reality AND language will be respected, lived in and utilized to convey feelings/beliefs/passions.

    It is interesting how often trans ID'd scream "respect my reality", yet most cannot respect reality itself and those of us in it.

    dirt

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  34. "Trans made up nonsensical words created merely to escape the reality of biology do nothing to further discussion. There are REAL words with REAL meaning that can easily be utilized to convey your feelings/beliefs."

    dirt, please don't delete this because i really just want to explain, i'm not trying to "use" the prefix that exists in the world but you refuse to acknowledge. "cis" is derived from Latin, meaning "on the same side as." language is not a static thing, words come into and go out of existence all the time. new words spring up, old ones die. furthermore, "cis" is JUST a prefix. the beauty of prefixes and suffixes is you can slam them on the proper end of a word and create a new, VIABLE word. language. dynamic. it's simple, dirt, accept it.

    "It is interesting how often trans ID'd scream "respect my reality", yet most cannot respect reality itself and those of us in it.

    dirt"

    notice i've never said "respect my reality" and reconsider that statement. i HAVE said, "respect me" and i've said that because, regardless of what choices i've made with my body, i'm a person, and i deserve respect. the thing is, though, ALL reality is subjective, dirt. each person lives a reality that deviates drastically from the reality of hir peers, family, neighbor, president, etc. pretending that trans people live this pert little narrative while the rest of the world are occupying "reality" is ridiculous. i can't even fathom believing that each person experiences the world the same, but wow...you do. that's amazing. i suppose i should also tell you the world is not flat?

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  35. I would be really interested if Dirt you can set up a comment post about "transfeelings". I mean, it would be great if FTM can describe what they mean by "having trans feelings". I am really curious to see what it means.

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  36. Parker,

    I'm not new to trans lingo and I know exactly where "cis" was derived, I also know were and why it was first used by trans ID'd and now unnecessarily repeatedly used by the trans community to deny their female or male biology by trying to separate themselves from reality.

    No, reality isnt "subjective", how you perceived reality based on a whole slew of factors is. You cannot change reality by wishing it to be something different, or even wishing yourself to be something different.

    As my granny used to say "wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up quicker"!

    dirt

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  37. To Brandon - Kickboxing. That will burn the living heck right out of your fat stores. Seriously.

    Failing that, kettlebells.

    To person who listed the fashion designers - if there's 3 women then of course they won't mind a thin pretty man...women aren't generally one for all and all for one. Ever heard that Alanis Morissette track Sister Blister...she weren't lying.

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  38. @. Anonymous February 28, 2011 8:39 AM

    I was not thin or pear shaped.
    Dont get me wrong, I'm 177 cm, and pre T 65 kg, witch is not so thin.
    I have never had big hips, my upper body have always been pretty square, but really broad.

    I think that if you just have like 5-10 kg that you should lose that the best thing is to do that in the first months of taking T. But I the weight you wanna lose is over 10 kg, you should probebly lose most of it before. Because extra weight is bad for the heart. So if the heart i stressed from that and then you go on T, the extra stress might be too much.

    When I had surgery I could not work out for about 2 months and it's hard not being able to work out. But it's really importent to just take a break from working out. And it's also really importent to eat right after having surgery, so your body can heal and rest really good.

    I'm not on a diet. But I'm almost a vegan. That has nothing to do with diets or animals. I just really like the food and i feel alot better when i eat vegan-food.

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  39. I wonder why the responses aren't focusing on WHY this man is now modeling womens clothes. Instead it is hijacked back to a trans topic.

    If you click on the link that dirt provided you are brought to an informative article. It is worth reading. I do like especially one quote in this article,

    "So who drove this obsession to strip women of their femininity?
    It was an edict by the fashion mafia — buyers, trend-setters, photographers, but especially the designers. They decreed that to look good in their creations a model couldn’t look like a woman. She had to be flat-chested, devoid of hips, with collarbones you could hook a clothes hanger on. In fact, she has to look less like a woman and more like a boy."

    Something to ask ourselves is WHY we allow ourselves to be manipulated like this?

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  40. @Parker
    But what "on the same side as" what?
    If you understand basically any of us here to be saying "we have the gender identity of woman" when we call ourselves women, then you greatly misunderstand us.

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  41. Anon @ 11:25- yes what is a "male mentality"? please tell us female transitioners.

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  42. Um, boys get anorexia too.

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  43. We're not discussing males mere, we're discussing females.

    dirt

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  44. Parker, I have made a rple-playing game out of my blog to UNMASK that reality, that Adrian Dalton is male: she's not.

    (PS: you can play if you are interested.)

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  45. I was on T for some years. It greatly increases your appetite and if it does increase metabolism it does not make up for the huge appetite increase. I gained 30lbs on T, not all of it was muscle. I still had fat hips, although my thighs did slim down and my belly gained. I know many transmen who gained a lot of fat on T and you can see they still have big hips. It's the underlying bone structure that bio men don't have and T will never change that!!!

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  46. "To person who listed the fashion designers - if there's 3 women then of course they won't mind a thin pretty man...women aren't generally one for all and all for one."

    You missed the point. That was posted in response to the poster who said ALL top designers were flaming gay men. Which is a stereotype and not true. It is also a discriminitory statement against a group of people. In this thing stereotyping Gay men as Flaming. Much less not all designers are gay men.

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  47. FTMs fetishize young pubescent boys, so this isn't shocking.

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  48. Butch dykes fetishize lumberjacks, so this isn't surprising.

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  49. anon @ 9:17

    ["Butch dykes fetishize lumberjacks, so this isn't surprising."]

    While this is an idiotic and unfunny comment on many levels, the one I'll address is that "lumberjack" is not a sex or a biological disposition.

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  50. People who use []marks in addition to quotation marks fetishize diapers. They also don't fetishize (or understand) sarcasm.

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  51. You're making it seem like females are the only ones affected though. We're not. It's not a "girls problem" and you're perpetuating that stereotype.

    Also, I'm pretty sure Isabelle Caro would not be asked to lose 10lbs. While I realize you were exagerrating to make a point, you're really just perpetuating yet another stereotype there. Models these days aren't allowed to have a BMI under 18, for the most part.

    The world is not out to get us.

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  52. anon @ 9:55

    I stated that it was unfunny. It's not a matter of misunderstanding at all.

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  53. People who state that things are unfunny fetishize pubescent boys.

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  54. Mere,

    Did you read the article Dirt linked to? Yes, she was asked to lose 10 pounds, when she only weighed 75 to begin with!

    Yes, the world is out to get us!

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  55. Ah, thank you for writing this Dirt, I've been seeing this guy around in the media now and have been thinking the exact same thing.

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  56. Hey Dirt, I'm confused at to why non-transitioning females are at odds with the muscular changes that are available to a female body on T. For that matter, I'm confused by the fact that so many women on this list consider themselves to be indistinguishable from a female body on T. While I admit that there are many females who can have great muscle mass/tone, I have to disagree that the potential is the same, having had both experiences. Given that there are so many people on this list who seem to have a interest in being buff, I wonder if we could start some kind of online competition, where we could upload photos of ourselves as we work out. My ideal would be that any any individual, with introduced testosterone or not, identifying as male or female, could show off her/his awesome work. Wanna?

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  57. Anon@ 2:07- we can google pics of male body builders, males on steroids, female body builders, females on steroids. what's so original about yer idea? you just wanna see pics of yerself on dirt's blog, ammirite? LMAO

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  58. Dirt, would you like to have co-autorship of QUESTIONING TRANSFACTIONALITY? You don't have to write anything, I'll just link to your posts ;P

    You are my hero, Captain Underpants, protecting us from venomous diarrhea...

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  59. "we can google pics of male body builders, males on steroids, female body builders, females on steroids. what's so original about yer idea? you just wanna see pics of yerself on dirt's blog, ammirite? LMAO"

    Yeah, we can google whatever we like at this point, but we can't google each other. I'd like to see us put up or shut up re: the claims we make as to body potential. I guarantee it would shut down this particular discussion.

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  60. "How about all the obese Lesbians? Obese is obese whoever it is.. Look at Master Amazon or whatever her name is. She is no lightweight and a butch lesbian.."

    Yeah, I am, and why would you have to point that out? Why NONE of you are fat Dykes or FTM's? There are PLENTY of Fat or Big Butches...and I've seen PLENTY of them transitioning and having chest surgeries(next time I see 'em, no breasts, they're flat there, and I'm not talking binding.) So yes, THEY DO have chest surgeries. Fortunately I don't have to see the scars or none of that since they don't exactly whip their shirts off....

    I say your comment is incredibly fatphobic, and one thing Feminism DID teach me was pride in my body, at whatever size it was, and not to conform and kowtow to male stereotypes...but then much of the trans movement and some Lesbians still do....We come in all sizes and shapes, and yeah, I DO kickbox, or practice martial arts every Sunday and spar for exercise, among other things....
    -MasterAmazon
    P.S. It's one reason I prefer other Dykes of size, the sizephobia, and nobody rail thin turns me on....been there, done that with my first lover in CA who from birth was no more than 85 pounds and 4 foot 6". After that, I wanted women of size(and some muscles mixed in with that is fine too).

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  61. Anon @2:07 - I think you girls do enough flexing and preening on Youtube. Although I have to admit a women's team pitted against an "FtM" women's team in some kind of Olympics would be interesting.

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  62. Anon @ 2:45: Your argument that bodybuilders on steroids get larger than those who don't take steroids has exactly WHAT to do with this conversation????

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  63. "Your argument that bodybuilders on steroids get larger than those who don't take steroids has exactly WHAT to do with this conversation????"

    A few women on this list, including Dirt, seem to be confused about male/ftm muscle potential vs. women's. Dirt's statement that women actually don't have less upper body strength than men, that it's just patriarchy discouraging women from developing it, seems a bit...pathetic and misinformed. I'd like to clear up that misconception. And I've never made a preening YouTube video, myself, so um, no, I don't need more admiration than I already get.

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  64. "I think you girls do enough flexing and preening on Youtube."

    And I think you do enough watching!!! Creep!

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  65. anon 12:47

    The article linked by Dirt was misinformed. It's information was probably taken from an interview in "The Price of Beauty", in which Isabelle Caro's words were grossly distorted by the translator. She in fact says that the fashion industry did NOT contribute to her anorexia. And she does NOT say that she was asked to lose 10lbs, as the translator suggests.

    Have a french speaking person watch the interview and you'll be what I mean.

    People like to think that girls get eating disorders because they want to look pretty, attract male attention, and be like the people in the magazines. By supporting this theory, you're supporting the idea that women are impressionable, shallow and irresponsible for themselves.

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  66. Mere- you obviously know nothing about Caro's life and what she very much wanted the public to know about what triggered her anorexia. Shame shame shame on you.

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  67. LOL sorry I'm not the president of her fan club or anything.

    The fact is she literally stated in an interview that the fashion industry is NOT what triggered her anorexia. She had it since the age of thirteen and it stemmed from a traumatic childhood. Christ.

    "shame, shame, shame on you." wtf is this? A catholic private school? And for the record I have/have had eating disorders including anorexia so of course I know the media can be a TRIGGER for them. But it is NOT what causes them. If you believe that you are simply superficial and ignorant.

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  68. @Mere
    "The fact is she literally stated in an interview that the fashion industry is NOT what triggered her anorexia. She had it since the age of thirteen and it stemmed from a traumatic childhood. Christ."

    I am wondering if it is a coincidence that she chose a career (modeling) where her coping mechinism(anorexia) was an advantage
    (at least initially)

    I don't think it is a stretch to suggest that the industry enabled her dysfunction.

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  69. There is one simple answer why models look rather boyish (- as was already stated): designers like boyish looking models because most of them are gay and don't find women attractive like you obviously don't find men attractive. They don't hate them because of that. I do think that it is problematic that women derive their own need to be anorexic from this but that is more like their own fault, isn't it?

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