Change Your World-NOT your Body

Friday, December 3, 2010

Happy Friday Happy Open Day

Open comments day, since I'll busy busting my back helping my niece move.

Keep it clean, keep it civil and remember you can all step away from the computer.

Have a wonderful Friday!

dirt

ps an article you may be interested in discussing. Another identity disorder with very similar links to GID.
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  1. I am going to eat delicious chinese food today.

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  2. I don't see the similarity between furry fandom and transgenderism.

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  3. Interesting article. I think I have species dysphoria.

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  4. I don't know if it's a disorder so much as a paraphilia. The sort of people who would fall under the umbrella term "queer" because they are largely straight and have a sexuality that isn't mainstream (like pony players, etc). Personally, I find the whole fursona and cosplay and all of it slightly disturbing and weird, but if it's not actively hurting people...

    Recently in NY there was a queer health education comedy performance thing at the Stonewall, which I think was beneficial but there was a transguy -local queerleb - who had a pap and vag exam done on stage and the "queer community's" reaction was "Oh wow, how awesome is this?" and I'm like "Oh wow, how much more awesome would it be if she could have accepted herself as a female, instead of chopping off her breasts, asking that you refer to her with male pronouns, actively presenting to the world as a male - until it comes time to have a spotlight shone on her?" At the same time, though, I do think it is a good thing for people to encourage / remind FTMs that they need to be vigilant about their gynecological health, so in that sense, I guess it was beneficial that she got up there and had this done (even if it was for attention - and I would say that about the female-identified women who did theirs on stage too).

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  5. Some extreme furries (otherkins) believe they are beasts or mythical creatures trapped in a human body. Much like transsexuality (which to be fair is MUUUUUCH more likely to exist than this), their assertions can't be completely disproven but just looking at how their human shells appear should speak for itself. And some actually are seeking "species reassignment" through genetics. Although I think transsexuality is on a decidedly more plausible category, there are undeniable similarities between transsexuals and otherkins, and some, such as Jennifer Diane Reitz, claim to be both (her real self would be a cosmic creatrix or something...)

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  6. Transablism is very similar to Transgender.
    They believe in a deep inner "body identity" and assert their right to have medical providers slice their optic nerves, sever their spinal cords, amputate limbs, and render them deaf. They believe it is profoundly discriminatory when their desired disabilities are not "honored" and "treated" (by rendering them disabled). Many have died gruesome deaths attempting to paralyze themselves or amputate limbs, or via substandard medical care in other countries where doctors WILL perform these operations.

    The transabled consider individuals born with actual disabilities to be "cis-disabled" and claim that cis-disabled are privileged in that they have not had to struggle to become disabled, nor had to fight to be recognized as disabled.

    http://fabmatters.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/the-transabled/

    Trans-sex did not exist until it became scientifically possible to indulge such misogynist fantasies medically and surgically (through research pioneered by Josef Mengele). In future when the science behind consumer medicine allows trans-species fantasies to be surgically indulged there could be a wave of trans-furry activists demanding to be treated as otters and housecats and such. They might flood the animal rescue services with demands that their inner species be legitimized and that they be housed and fed until they are adopted.

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  7. This girl tells how she got on testosterone in only a few weeks-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvHu_paNNnY

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  8. "I'm the one who's gonna die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life the way I want."
    -Jimi Hendrix

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  9. I would consider wanting to be disabled kind of a non-functional mental disorder, in that losing a limb usually makes life harder. Last time I checked, I couldn't pick anything up with my breasts or walk down the street on my uterus. I'm perfectly fine without them. If you all want to hold on to those parts because you are female, then you should probably start having babies and breastfeeding because that's what those parts are for. And if ya want to get all biological-determinist about bodies, childbirth and rearing is your function, since you feel SO in touch with being female. Shaddup and get to it!

    I don't consider being trans a disorder. In fact I don't believe gender exists at all in the way it's structured societally. Therefore, it's my body, it's my life, and y'all can suck it.

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  10. I thought this would interest people. There is one notable thing here..how this person grooves on their no found mail privledge

    http://www.abc.net.au/rn/360/stories/2010/2881361.htm

    Download and listen to the audio

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  11. There's one huge glaring difference between being a "furry" and being a transperson:

    A furry does not have an abiding belief from an early age that they are a pink bunny crossed with an owl/wolf. A furry does not grow up with dysphoria related to his lack of huge yellow owl eyes, pink fur, and wolf tail.

    As for transfolks, the exact opposite is true. We grow up wanting to be a member of the other sex, wanting (or not wanting) particular body parts, and feeling that we would be much happier if we transitioned.

    It's absurd to compare the two. Show me a 5 year old who insists he's a badger/walrus, and I'll reconsider.

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  12. Well you could easily compare unrelated disorders to being lesbian as well I'd suspect. It's really an unfair and absurd comparison to say transsexuals are like furries.. I mean, it's completely unrelated. As the last anon said, transsexuality is something prominent from birth, some as they start talking prove to have those feelings.

    Anorexics and 'furries' aren't born, they develop over time due to environment and peer pressure. Transgendered folks are born feeling this way. So I honestly don't see the relation to them.

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  13. I'd like to leave a message for the woman who tried to open a discussion with Dirt in the last post, Alissia Megan Rose-Pait.

    I wanted to let you know I thought the way she treated, and refered to you was uncalled for. I don't usually allow myself to get upset, but that really struck a chord with me. I don't understand how someone can be so fixated on the physical that they are so unmoving in the idea that maybe who a person is isn't all about genetics, skin and hormones. It's very hurtful, not because I am not secure in who I am, but because of the complete and utter lack of tolerance and respect for another human being. Regardless of how she feels about us, it seems so unnecessary to purposely refer to someone in a way that hurts them.

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  14. Have you noticed that quite a lot of negro women are transitioning? Just on YouTube alone there seems to be a large number of them. I wonder why that is?

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  15. Negro? What are you, 85?

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  16. hawkeye is what we call a tranny troll. don't feed the troll.

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  17. To the anon who said: " Last time I checked, I couldn't pick anything up with my breasts or walk down the street on my uterus. I'm perfectly fine without them. If you all want to hold on to those parts because you are female, then you should probably start having babies and breastfeeding because that's what those parts are for."

    Your fantasy that women's breasts ovaries etc. are purposeless beyond childbirth is a symptom of your self-hatred.
    Women's breasts are part of their lymphatic system, essential for cleansing the blood. And According to the Mayo Clinic, 20 to 60 percent of women will experience chronic pain after a mastectomy--a condition known as Post-Mastectomy Pain Syndrome (PMPS). Symptoms of this condition include pain in the chest wall, pain or itching in the shoulder or armpit, pain around the surgical scar and tingling down the arm.
    Ovaries are part of the endocrine system which regulates hormones. Risk of cardiovascular disease following oophorectomy increases by 700%. Oophorectomy before the age of 45 is associated with a fivefold mortality from neurologic and mental disorders. Urinary incontinence frequently occurs as a byproduct of hysterectomy. If the vagina is retained, vaginal prolapse may occur from the removal of supporting structures, and normal lubrication is impaired. There is an increased risk of kidney cancer.

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  18. Oh, thanks for clarifying. I guess I'm a "tranny troll" too then. Except I don't use archaic racist terminology.

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  19. Your natural hormone balance is impaired. Males produce estrogen and progesterone as well as testosterone. Removal of estrogen and progesterone causes premature aging, as these are anti-aging hormones. This is also why FTMs experience male pattern baldness much more rapidly than men: not enough estrogen. Lack of estrogen causes levels of the neurotransmitters dopamine, acetylcholine, norepinephrine, GABA and serotonin to decrease. Estrogen stimulates the release of growth hormone and may help prevent Alzheimer's although research is preliminary on that point. Progesterone is a precursor to other adrenal hormones and promotes lipolysis (fat breakdown). It normalizes levels of blood sugar, zinc, and copper.

    And this is only what we know at this point in time. New hormones and hormone byproducts are being identified all the time. Over 50 recognized at this time, and many precurse, stimulate, or inhibit others in a complex feedback system.

    Not to mention that hormone injections cause peaks and drops in hormone levels and feedback networks unlike anything naturally experienced.

    So those useless organs that you think females have are actually beautiful, elegantly designed, complex and quite important.

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  20. Thanks for dropping all that science, but I still have my lymph nodes, as do most transmen. Because I had no cancer in them, there was no reason to remove them. Additionally, people can live without the largest one (the spleen) quite easily, if necessary. As far as oophorectomy goes, I believe replacement with testosterone takes care of the many issues involved with having NO hormones at all. Nice try though. At least you googled something.

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  21. I said lymph system, not lymph nodes. The lymph system is what flushes lymph through the nodes.

    And no, testosterone does not replace estrogen and progesterone.

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  22. Who needs science when clinging to a delusional sexist fantasy?

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  23. My dog is transspecies, sort of an opposite furry. She desperately wants to be a human with all the privileges we cis-humans have, such as opening and closing the refrigerator door at well, being able to grocery shop, and drive places. I believe this all started one day when she was about 6 months old and she tried to sneak a hot dog off my plate and I caught her and yelled "NO!" So from a young age she became fearful and oppressed, and longed to eat delicious meats at will like cis-humans do. I've been contacting surgeons, but so far every one I've called has laughed, hung up on me, or both.

    So, until that beautiful day when my dog can have a species change, I will proudly announce to all that will hear that I have a transspecies dog and that she is beautiful.

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  24. FTMS live a life of endless misery.

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  25. Why am I supposed to feel sorry for a bunch of lost little girls with penis envy? I just laugh and move along.

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  26. "I'm the one who's gonna die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life the way I want."
    -Jimi Hendrix

    He died at age 27.

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  27. Anon at 8.51:
    When I was 8, I wanted to be Fox McCloud from the Starfox series, complete with tail (so, I wanted to be a male fox). I also wouldn't have minded being an eagle, or a shark, for that matter, as many children like to play pretend with animals or mythical creatures like elves or werewolves.

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  28. " If you all want to hold on to those parts because you are female, then you should probably start having babies and breastfeeding because that's what those parts are for. And if ya want to get all biological-determinist about bodies, childbirth and rearing is your function, since you feel SO in touch with being female. Shaddup and get to it!"


    Oh Anon, I feel sorry for you. I feel now pretty neutral about my breasts and my uterus (I don't wanna have kids). My ovaries help me mantain my unique and evolving hormonal balance. You can cut them out if you wish, but it's not like a walk in the park afterwards. And, being female is not about having kids and breastfeeding, sorry about that, much like being male isn't about impregnating women. There are adult women like my aunt who never had kids and don't regret it. What a sad society we live in, if those are the beliefs about what being female means (hint: having a vagina and uterus). Oh well, FAB at least.

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  29. Might be of interest:

    http://jabaraeris.tripod.com/eris_lobo/id14.html

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  30. Dirt; how would you feel if you woke up tomorrow with a male chest, voice and penis? You're so passionate about your identity. You know who you are. Imagine if no one else could understand and see you for who you are. People making false assumptions every single day of your life. Being treated like someone you're not.

    For me, transition wasn't based on a hatred toward my body. It was based on my respect for who I am, and who I have always who I have always been. I wanted people to see me.

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  31. Different species and sex is so so different. The person in this article is odd and I'll admit I find furries quite disturbing personally. But they have a right to feel in any way they want to. Not like I'm going to go after them and fight tooth and nail about how they should stop imagining that they have a tail.

    But that being said, I do not relate to furries.. I would never say I am living a life of misery either. I lived in misery before I came out, more like. I'm simply living as I wish to live, I support the men who need hormones, but I don't need them. So I am not "harming my body". I don't think about being trans every second of every day.

    It'll come up sometimes, but after I came out honestly I stopped thinking about it. I don't focus on it. I simply feel most comfortable, when I AM being defined, as male. I always have. I can't really explain it, it's just something that's always been in me. But I guess I am lucky physically, I have no trouble 'passing' or 'presenting'. I might feel differently about hormones if I did not appear as male already.

    But what is most important to me now is school, work, my lover and my future. Not focusing on the gender I feel inside or the sex I appear to be outside. So I really don't consider it a disorder of any sort. I'm very comfortable, just being me. I know to Dirt It's a delusion, but they once classified being gay as a mental disease, too. I do not blame her for not being able to see through my eyes.

    -A

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  32. R1,

    "Dirt; how would you feel if you woke up tomorrow with a male chest, voice and penis? You're so passionate about your identity. You know who you are. Imagine if no one else could understand and see you for who you are. People making false assumptions every single day of your life. Being treated like someone you're not.

    For me, transition wasn't based on a hatred toward my body. It was based on my respect for who I am, and who I have always who I have always been. I wanted people to see me"...

    It is biologically impossible to "wake up" a different sex, it has never happened and by the nature of human biology will never happen.

    I pass and have passed as a sex that I am not since at least age 3, it doesnt change the sex that I am, it only reinforces all the facts I present here and elsewhere every single day.

    The difference between you and me R1 is that I see me, regardless if the rest of the world doesnt. You failed and continue to fail to see you and that is not only frightening, it is horrible sad.

    dirt

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  33. Ave,

    If you are a regular reader than you know I advocate removing GID from the DSM in 2013, unfortunately most trans IDd individuals prefer it remain intact on the DSM.

    When gays and lesbian fought to removed homosexuality from the DSM, there wasnt a SINGLE gay or lesbian who vocally advocated homosexuality remain on the DSM.

    Also gays and lesbians do not take synthetic hormones or have healthy body parts removed to be gay or lesbian, if we had I would suspect homosexuality would still be on the DSMs disorder list.

    dirt

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  34. Perhaps the "trans trend" among younger people is not really a social trend but a result of a toxic environment. Here is an article explaining:

    http://tinyurl.com/yl7c5cu

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  35. In a way it's a good thing.. we overpopulate the planet enough as it is.

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  36. I would love to live in a world where people could live their lives and express their individuality free of the oppression of sex roles. There would be no perceived need for changing our bodies, because we would simply do what we want to do in the bodies we were born with. I wish everyone weren't so hung up on gender. I'd like to see encouragement of a wider range of self expression across genders, not the immediate assumption that the "cure" is hormones and/or surgery. Well, at least I wasn't born in Iran- over there homosexuality is illegal, and you have to have a sex change to "cure" you of being lesbian or gay. Makes me wonder if that could ever happen here if our government and society became more conservative or was taken over by fundamentalist religious fanatics- scary thought.

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  37. FTMs are really good at speaking in circles, contradicting, and embarrassing themselves. These are exact quotes from youtube ftm girls:

    "I feel that I was supposed to be male"

    ...What?

    "I'm male but I don't regret being born female because it's shaped my characer today"

    ....Are you kidding me?

    "I have a male brain"

    ....*crickets*

    "I'm just like any other man"

    ....ummm?

    "I never liked dresses and painting my nails so I knew I wasn't a girl."

    ...WHAT. THE. FUCK?

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  38. Dirt,

    I'd like to hear how you understand passing and the experience of it. I tend to think of passing as one or two steps short of stealth. So when I hear another woman talk about passing as a man, I imagine, until she has to provide identification or chooses to disclose her gender:

    1. She will almost always be taken for a man in everyday life.

    2. She will have access to male privilege, until documents are required.

    If lesbian:

    3. She and her partner will almost always be taken for a straight couple.

    4. They will have access to straight privilege, until documents are required.

    From what you've described elsewhere, you don't seem to describe these kinds of experiences. So I'd like to know how you understand passing and what your experiences of it have been.

    Thank you,

    -other M.

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  39. I'm so happy to have found this blog
    I've felt for so long like I was in that movie "They Live" and I was the only one with those sunglasses that enabled me to notice all the 'transmen' around me and the only one who cared about it
    I do think of it as a huge generation of women being murdered
    I agree that all the support these young girls are getting for 'transitioning' is most like the pro-anorexic movement

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  40. Anon@2:54. Most people look for ridiculously stereotyped cues to determine a person's gender, even in this supposedly fluid era. Hair length and clothing styles are the two big ones. If you are dressed a certain way, and have short hair, most strangers will assume you are male at first glance, and call you "sir." That first impression prevents them from seeing a lot of things (such as smooth cheeks and curves) that identify you pretty clearly as a woman. I'm fairly sure this is what Dirt's referring to when she talks about passing. It happens to me all the time, too, but it does not mean I have access to male privilege. It means I have to decide, each time, whether it's worth the trouble of correcting the other person's mistake, and whether it's safe to do so. If the interaction's likely to go on for more than a minute or two, it could also be unsafe NOT to correct them. It's a pain in the neck, to say the least.

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  41. Passing does get you a bit of male privilege. I remember the first time I cut my hair really short, the realization that I got treated (and spoken to etc.) with much more respect, not as a girl, but as a person. And feeling much safer on the streets alone at night.

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  42. I agree with you on removing GID from DSM as i know i DO NOT suffer from GID i have GID I do suffer from a mental illness how ever that should remain...
    i dont think most people actually know/understand what DSM is unfortuantly

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  43. I really don't know why people have such a hard time with basic logic. Once we define transgenderism to mean "the need (for whatever reason) to switch gender identification", we can posit the following logical argument: IF transgenderism is not a mental disorder, THEN healthy people need to switch gender identification in order to express character traits.

    Taken to it's logical conclusion, if that argument were actually valid then all healthy females need a sex change if they want to express assertiveness. And it's patently obvious that no one needs needs to describe themselves as X in order to express character traits.

    The inability to comprehend basic logic suggests the presence of a very low IQ, btw.

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  44. Terrible example of vaginal prolapse r/t FTM:
    http://mnomedenimp.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/dear-prolapsed-uterus-please-go-away-now/#more-749

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