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Saturday, December 18, 2010

Critical Thinking, Questioning and Feminism do NOT equal "hate"!

Received (as you can see) this comment last night, rather than release it to where it was posted, I felt it more important to place it in a weekend discussion post.

This comment highlights what has long been the response by the general trans community towards anyone applying critical thinking to trans ideology. Under the general trans ideology and those that subscribe to it, like any cult you either drink the kool aid or GTFO! I have been painted as someone who is "close minded" for raising questions, spotlighting truths and injecting feminism into trans ideology, while most (not all) trans and trans minded are completely closed to even those within their ranks that raise similar questions or have similar concerns!

And lest we forget to mention those who have changed their minds about transition or de-transitioned, the trans community has and does attack these folks first and reject them outright second! As large as the trans community is, there isnt a single space created that supports those within the trans community to change their minds, not one! Those that change their minds are treated like convicted pedophiles by other trans folks, they are despised and not wanted in trans spaces, real or online. The are put on a "fake trans" list and warned from associating with for fear they cause other trans folks to question their trans position.

The only "hate" I've seen springs from the most insecure among the trans community, unfortunately these are the most vocal. The last I checked this isnt a fucking contest, there are no winners when we all suffer under patriarchy and its misogynistic systems. That some trans folks are open minded enough to recognize that is a good thing, that they are being attacked for that recognition is bloody fucking awful!
 
When you stop having questions, you stop growing as a human being, when you no longer grow as a person, you are nothing more than a corpse with a fucking heartbeat.

This is an open comment post btw.

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  1. You are incorrect.
    There are a number of trans spaces, both real and online, which welcome detransitioned people with open arms. The forum I frequent has a number of non-transitioning people and a couple de-transitioned ones. The non-transitioning and the de-transitioned treat the transitioners with respect and share their experiences, while the transitioners treat them with respect in turn.

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  2. I have to say, I was sent this blog in an email and have been reading for a month or so and I find it sickening.

    What I find sickening isn't anything that Dirt has to say, it's all the threatening and disgusting comments she receives from others, just for voicing her opinion.
    Oh, lets not forget those hate groups.

    I'm FTM and I actually LIKE her blog. I like reading others opinions on an array of matters, whether I agree with them or not. And on this blog you don't just get Dirt's opinions, but the opinions of those commenting as well.

    Do I agree with everything Dirt has to say? No.
    But she DOES have a good message. A message that seems to get lost in the controversy some of what she says/does creates.
    But even though I don't agree with everything Dirt says, nothing I have read has ever made me incredibly angry. Actually, it's never made me angry at all.

    Those that have had their image posted here, I can understand why they might be upset.
    What excuse do the rest have? Are you really THAT insecure where you can't handle someone being critical? You have to throw a fit and demand they be removed from the "interwebs"?
    If it makes you so angry, don't visit. It really is that simple.
    You are not helping your case, or any one else's for that matter, with your comments and groups.
    If someone came to this blog, they probably would come to the conclusion that we ARE a group of unstable, brash, violent assholes. Thank you for that.

    These comments remind me of why I have practically separated myself from the trans/queer community.

    I guess I am a "trans betrayer"? Oh noes.

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  3. (To the comment that was highlighted)


    Hi Chlorine, it's TEH ENEMY speaking here.
    How are you doing?
    So secure in yourself that you always obsessively check "anti" trans-sites like you accuse me of doing?
    Maybe you are projecting your insecurity onto others?

    PS: Spellcheck and you aren't good friends

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  4. I do not feel like a 'traitor' for apologizing to Dirt. I have to reiterate that there is a difference between wishing someone DEATH with embarrassingly semi literate sentences and someone who does not agree with someone else's opinions. I do not agree with Dirt, but am I going to say "die bitch die"? Of course not.

    That is what I am apologizing for. I don't want transgendered people to be seen as those who can't say anything more than "die" to an attack on their identity.

    On the topic about de-transitioned transsexuals. I would have to say that someone who stops hormone therapy or refuses hormone therapy has every right to. On the other hand, I have felt a certain level of discontent with those who come out as trans, hurry to get on hormones, then suddenly change into the opposite sex at the drop of a hat. But only because I feel as if they are portraying transgendered people as flakey. I would never tell them I hate them, though, or abandon them.

    -A

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  5. Guys before she deletes this, I'm just going to say what I've been trying to say but she never approves it. DIRT IS JUST USING YOU to get attention to her otherwise low-traffic blog. She does that by being inflammatory such as posting your images or screen capping your posts from trans communities. She doesn't care about helping anyone, it's all about her and her craving for attention she doesn't otherwise get. She's very pathetic and the vast majority of what she said is bullshit she just pulled out her ass. Don't believe any of it.

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  6. @notebook
    I do not agree with Dirt, but am I going to say "die bitch die"? Of course not.

    You honestly don't know that any transfolks has said this. You only know that Dirt says they have. That does not make it true or not true. I place very little faith in those types of posts.

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  7. The following is so true!!

    nonatic said...

    DIRT IS JUST USING YOU to get attention to her otherwise low-traffic blog. She does that by being inflammatory such as posting your images or screen capping your posts from trans communities. She doesn't care about helping anyone, it's all about her and her craving for attention she doesn't otherwise get. She's very pathetic and the vast majority of what she said is bullshit she just pulled out her ass. Don't believe any of it.

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  8. It is very possible that she is posting those messages herself. I think about 70% of her readers are angry transmen, and its hard to look away when our names are being dragged through the mud..

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  9. I assure you the one who wrote the highlighted message, as many others I think, is real, because of a very recognizable "style"...

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  10. Male privilege is a pretty addictive drug. Especially for young women who have not yet come to terms with the state of the world around them and are only able to see the small picture. Like all males, these aspiring-to-maleness girls need to wield that dominating oppressive privilege on someone. If only the trannie tweeners could see how ridiculous they appear. And no I don't mean the white girl wearing oversized flatbill baseball caps look (it's bad enough you think you are in someone else's body but you're all "gangsta" too? Lmao).
    But god bless these cute girls that feel too powerless conformist and impotent to survive in their female skins and to create real change in society. There seems to be a really high correlation between girls who conformed to restrictive old-fashioned female gender norms and those who "transition" into modifying their appearance to disguise their sex. Years ago kids would create social movements to break down oppressive systems. Now they disguise themselves as members of the ruling class and embrace the same discriminatory systems that have oppressed them. Beyond merely bowing to male supremacy they've become active perpetrators.

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  11. Gallusmag said..."Years ago kids would create social movements to break down oppressive systems. Now they disguise themselves as members of the ruling class and embrace the same discriminatory systems that have oppressed them"...

    Gall, that would involve to start with the critical thinking I mentioned in this post, simply look at the responses made by these trans females here thus far, zero critical thinking and 100% whining.

    For as much as the world outside our homes influence us, the greatest influences occur within, I dare not even think what has occurred inside these kids homes, obviously some serious lack of female/feminists role models to begin with and a whole shit load of misogyny to boot.

    dirt

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  12. @Bluetraveler said...
    I assure you the one who wrote the highlighted message, as many others I think, is real, because of a very recognizable "style"...


    and in all honesty you cannot say if it is a transguy or not.. Nobody knows. It might be dirt and it might not be dirt. I could be someone who is not trans or it could be someone who is trans.

    Unless Dirt opens up her statcounter (and yes she has one) for all to see the pattern traffic you will never know. And unless she removes the options for anonymous posters it cannot be narrowed down from there.

    But until we know for sure it is nothing short of negligene to try and say this has been posted by a transman, or any other part of the umbrella for that matter.

    Seeings this is about critical thinking and all, it would only stand to reason the way dirt has this blog set up is as wide as the ocean for "who done it" posts.

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  13. Lorretta, this person who wrote the comment, who went as "Chlorine" in my blog and "Rocko" on TMP, is 99,9% NOT Dirt. Chlorine never uses a spellcheck and always writes "you" as "u", moreover what this person has to say is always the same thing: that anyone who "dares" go against anything illogical/controversial about transitioning should STFU. I received a message stating more or less that I don't have any right in questioning transsexuality. If really Dirt was Chlorine, she really would have had lots of spare time besides what she already uses for writing this blog, and a completely different writing style and mentality. Plus, posting these kind of messages really doesn't suit Dirt's style at all, if she has to strike she simply does it.

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  14. Loretta, You are Dirt's #1 stalker (or fan?), having started a whole blog about her to express your belief that survivors of misogynist abuse should not supported. So I hate to burst your bubble. But the idea that Dirt has set up all these facebook pages and tumblrs and hacked all the accounts of all the trannies posting there (without them noticing of course) is just as bizarre as the rest of your stalkery ideas. Reality, hon. Look into it.

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  15. Lorr,

    All anyone has to do is read anything you've written, check out the myriad of youtubes inciting hate/rape/violence, the tumblrs that are too numerous to name, the livejournal (despite my not having been there in years) posts again too numerous to list, the multitude of blog posts and the various links at various trans website also spewing hate, rape and violence against me personally, are we to believe I'm every single one of those trans people including you?

    Now Lorr, if you cannot manage to rub the two brain cells together needed to actually muster some critical thought necessary to argue in this post then I suggest you find something less difficult to do with your time.

    dirt

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  16. To the original poster:

    I am no kiss ass; it's just that my incapability for kissing ass extends to everybody, whether they are transsexual or not. I do not owe you or anybody else my allegiance because of our having something in common.

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  17. Anon@3:54,....lol

    Read my comment!

    dirt

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  18. @Anonymous said... ummm Dirt!!
    Loretta, You are Dirt's #1 stalker (or fan?), having started a whole blog about her to express your belief that survivors of misogynist abuse should not supported. So I hate to burst your bubble. But the idea that Dirt has set up all these facebook pages and tumblrs and hacked all the accounts of all the trannies posting there (without them noticing of course) is just as bizarre as the rest of your stalkery ideas. Reality, hon. Look into it.

    You bet I started it.. And I stand by it. Someone had to speak up and I will continue to do so. Call it what you want, but when people's pics are being slapped on your blog it could happen to any of us.

    I have no problem admitting I have a blog designed to address the hate *Within the LGBT community*. The hate is nonsense and it needs to stop.

    When I first saw this blog I was in disbelief someone from within the LGBT community could be behind it. It breaks my heart to see the lack of solidarity.

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  19. @dirt

    Now Lorr, if you cannot manage to rub the two brain cells together needed to actually muster some critical thought necessary to argue in this post then I suggest you find something less difficult to do with your time


    My brain cells are well intact and I know what you are about. You don't like that much, do ya?

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  20. Lorr you cannot even conceive of your own self, its laughable to imagine you conceiving of anyone else, let alone someone of my mental capacities.

    Now, I ask you again, stick to the topic at hand or your comments will be deleted, its that simple.

    dirt

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  21. Lorretta, I'm not speaking now about the posting of pics or some insulting terms against transpeople Dirt has used (though more in her initial posts than in the last) (I've never been a fan of offensive terms).

    But if you look at the arguments put forward by Dirt, namely that transsexuality is a pschiatric invention, that trans surgery will never replicate the opposite body's characteristics and so on, these are not *hateful* per se. If truth really is as Dirt says (and I think it could be, though I don't know yet - that's why I'm *questioning*), then she's not hateful, nor is she if her theories turn out to be false - questioning something is different than being hateful. It's different from hate.

    If Dirt's theories turn out to be true, then yes, there's some unconscious misogyny on the FTM part, and definitely on the psyschiatric side of things (surprise!).
    Though this blog has proven that misogyny in the trans community exists already, just look at the responses...

    My bottom line is, anyone, before commenting, use your brain! It's the only thing that csn save us from fascism on either side

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  22. Lorretta it's sad that you devote your time protesting support of abuse survivors.

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  23. I guess if I had to choose between listening to a grown woman with lots of life experience and reflection on a particular issue versus listening to a bunch of overly-emotional teen-aged girls on testosterone, it's a no-brainer who I'd listen to. Also, even though I don't agree with everything Dirt says, I don't see anything resembling hate in what she writes.
    These "trans-trenders" also piss me off because some of us have been confronted our entire lives with the bullshit stereotype that Lesbians really just want to be men, and that is just not true. I know these "trans-trenders" are the weakest of the weak in the "community."

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  24. @Anonymous said...
    Lorretta it's sad that you devote your time protesting support of abuse survivors.

    that potshot won't work.. I am confident with my support of the survivors community..

    As for dirt. I was on topic. this was about a piece of clipart you said was a pending post. There is no way to know if this post or any other post is accurate. THAT IS on topic.. Pull my posts if you want, but I stated ANYONE could have sent it OR it could have been created.

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  25. Lorretta someday a lightbulb is gonna go off in your head about the way you've been actively undermining support for those struggling under a violent abusive regime. You support that abuse. You are a perpetrator.

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  26. "
    Chlorine said...
    YOU ARE INSECURE with yourself, otherwise u wouldnt be doing this 24/7!!

    ftm TRANSEXUAls are gonna get T regardless of all the fucking 1 billion reasons and excuses u have to fucking say. they may be intimidated today by u, but surely tommorrow they will find the strength and transition. U feminist are full of shits, u have been doing this for years, FAIL!! The more u hammer the stupid reasons not to transition , the more u force your little body dysphoria issues on us , the more hate u feel for us FTMs the more and more power and strength u give us.

    We will not give up our rights and freedom for u, without a fight. STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM US!! "

    This is what Chlorine sent me on my blog (there's more of it).
    For the record, all my other trans readers justly protested against this stupidly fascistic attitude.
    I think the style alone is pretty conclusive proof the entry WAS REAL AND WRITTEN BY CHLORINE.

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  27. @anon

    Lorretta someday a lightbulb is gonna go off in your head about the way you've been actively undermining support for those struggling under a violent abusive regime. You support that abuse. You are a perpetrator.

    And you cannot say this with your name attached to it why? Clearly you have a pretty darned good Idea of who I am and clearly you know I would run miles for abuse survivors. so once again, this kind of a pot shot is pretty lame.

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  28. Why do you need my name Lorretta? Need someone else to stalk and harass? No thanks!
    Oh, and watch out for that lightbulb. Reality is a bitch.

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  29. Bluetraveler.. "U feminist are full of shits"

    Made me giggle. I don't think anyone in the trans experience would choose that person as the spokesperson for their community..

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  30. @Anonymous said...
    Why do you need my name Lorretta? Need someone else to stalk and harass? No thanks!
    Oh, and watch out for that lightbulb. Reality is a bitch.

    Well I tell ya.. Dirt has minors pictures slapped all over her blog. And for what? exploring who they are? I think we all explored who we were when we were minors. But to punish them for trying to figure out who they are in life? Posting minors pics IS abuse! This is the primary gripe I have had and will continue to have.

    I don't want to see those who should not be transitioning to go forth either. But to have these pics here long after Mom and Dad find their YouTube account does not seem right to me. Anymore than some homophobic person who takes it upon themselves to post pics of youngsters who are exploring the idea of being gay or lesbian.

    That has always been my complaint if you take the time to go read. Hateful use of pronouns and adjectives has been my other complaint.

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  31. Lorretta, I agree with you on the last part. But those types want to ban ALL kinds of discussion, and this is just fascistic.

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  32. @Bluetraveler said...
    Lorretta, I agree with you on the last part. But those types want to ban ALL kinds of discussion, and this is just fascistic

    Blue, I am with you 100% on this. Without the name calling and the pics, and the hateful adjectives and pronouns, I would be behind this blog.

    I believe some of what Dirt is saying regarding the youngsters holds *some* merit. I believe it is worth looking at and holding healthy discussions.

    The difference is I truly believe there are truly people who should transition. But I do agree there are those trying to find someplace to fit in.

    Get those pictures off and not allow the posters to get away with saying hurtful and hateful things targeted at a sub-group and I would shut up. In fact, I would probably participate in this blog. I would be glad to. There are things I agree with. There are things I don't.. And there are things I think need looked at.

    Just go about it a way which is respectful and healthy to others. That is all I ask.

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  33. Also, Dirt, why do you believe you are very intelligent? I haven't seen any new or radical thought here. All the misgivings about ftms's that you present are all the same ones we've been confronted with by society before transitioning, or have confronted ourselves with. Additionally, you aren't very well-spoken or articulate, and your beliefs about transpeople are fully co-opted by the larger society's beliefs, so you're also not original.

    I'm not trying to be mean or hateful, but you are self-aggrandizing and it's painful. If your brain was anything special, I doubt you'd need to tell anyone. I just don't get it.

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  34. Ha! Can't handle a post from an intelligent ftm? Did you delete mine? Coward. Candy-ass.

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  35. I think this blog would be much better received by all involved if there were more respectful terms used 'even if' they are not legitimately male brained in your eyes, a little respect goes a very long way.

    Tolerance and respect is all it would take. Even if you have to use neutral gender pronouns, it would be received better! Everything about this blog I support, except for the female pronouns and "young women" terms used for people who want to be respected as male.

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  36. Anon at 6.02:

    It's true that Dirt's spelling isn't always the best (still heads above Chlorine's though) and that what she presents isn't anything new.
    What's new about Dirt's blog is that she was the first person (on the internet, at least) to connect all these facts together (maybe in a good way, maybe not - but she tried to paint a bigger picture I've never ever seen in "queer" discussions).
    That holds some merits in my book, today's world is largely myopic and any tentative to look beyond your own nosetip is, at least, something deserving of recognition.

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  37. *My point was that, essentially, intelligence is much more about connecting all the dots rather than knowing where the dots are.
    And from some things she has connected I think Dirt IS intelligent, even though her spelling is sometimes bad, and her ways, if you will, "rough".
    That's why at first glance she might seem much less intelligent than she really is, she doesn't play the academics' game of using many words to confound and in the end say nothing. And that's good!

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  38. @Bluetraveler said...

    It's true that Dirt's spelling isn't always the best (still heads above Chlorine's though) and that what she presents isn't anything new.

    I could care less about someones spelling. Getting caught up on spelling is usually a smokescreen to get off topic OR we miss something we could have learned from. No different than belittling people over brain cells after bawling someone else out for using the word retarded.

    I am going to say this. it is never too late to start going about this in a healthy way. One can have the best ideas in the world but if the presentation is hurtful, who has been helped by the information? If the intent is truly to help and not for other reasons.. Then do this effectively where it is not hurting people.

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  39. Lorretta, I agree with you - but I think Dirt is being rough and caustic on purpose, not to play along with the "culture of nice" that permeates women today. I think she really does care about those FTMs she posts pic of.
    That diplomacy isn't her best skill is something that can be easily seen, but sometimes, maybe, a direct blow helps more - at least I think that's her assumption.
    Wheter it works or not, that's for us to see...

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  40. *btw, I recognize using the word "retarded" was a mistake of mine. It's a real word that describes people that are clinically slower in their understanding. This doesn't mean they are less human, or less willing to use their brain - something that can't be said for the flaming commenters (on the brain, although those who threaten rape and death are likely sociopaths)

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  41. @Bluetraveler said...
    Lorretta, I agree with you - but I think Dirt is being rough and caustic on purpose, not to play along with the "culture of nice" that permeates women today. I think she really does care about those FTMs she posts pic of.
    That diplomacy isn't her best skill is something that can be easily seen, but sometimes, maybe, a direct blow helps more - at least I think that's her assumption.
    Wheter it works or not, that's for us to see...


    I can tell you how I was as a kid. Especially my teens. Authority pissed me off. I would do the exact opposite of what any adult wanted when the spare the rod spoil the child tactic was used.

    It takes a big person to say maybe I should have gone about this diffrently. I believe Dirt could be that person.. I believe Dirt could make a difference far beyond the scope or vision she has set forth here.

    Dirt is a Feminist Seperatist and I am a Human Rights Activist and have worked many years for the rights of abuse survivors. Neither Dirt or I are spring chickens and for both of us I am sure old habits are hard to break. But if this is really about these kids well-being and for no other reason I would ask Dirt to please at least consider the idea that putting minors pictures up here is crossing the line. I can see putting links back to their YouTube Accounts or embedding the video if the embed is enabled. This way when they remove the video it is gone.

    I also realize I am probably wasting my breath as Dirt does not seem to see shades of grey.

    All I can tell you is I care about people. Especially kids. I cared enough I put my advocacy towards adult survivors of child sexual abuse ahead of my own career. Exploiting people breaks my heart.

    So come on Dirt. Do something huge here. You have the audience.. Make this blog into something that can truly make a difference.

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  42. @ Bluetraveler said...
    *btw, I recognize using the word "retarded" was a mistake of mine.

    Well I just found it interesting that Dirt essentially called me retarded without using the word.

    Dirt Said:
    Now Lorr, if you cannot manage to rub the two brain cells together needed to actually muster
    some critical thought necessary to argue in this post then I suggest you find something less difficult to do with your time.
    dirt


    Yet yesterday she corrected someone, I guess you, regarding using the word retarded. I feel the mud slinging in here holds this blog back in part. Plus, what is the difference in what she wrote and retarded?

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  43. "I also realize I am probably wasting my breath as Dirt does not seem to see shades of grey. "

    Yes, I agree that's her biggest problem.


    "Dirt is a Feminist Seperatist..."

    I didn't know it but I find it hard to believe since Dirt has a bleoved brother and many male friends, nor has she ever said anything bad about particular males - just about patriarchy and its effects on males/females.
    If this is true, I certainly don't endorse this view - I believe that "forgetting" males and their own pain under patriarchy too was the main reason feminism failed. If males are the spinning gears, only by changing their world will the machine stop running...
    I speak as someone who grew up with mostly males.

    "Make this blog into something that can truly make a difference."

    I'm all for this.

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  44. I think the only reason why transpeople "kiss you ass" or whatever in the comment section is because that's the only way their true opinions will be heard and perhaps published as comments on this blog. It's actually very clever.

    But that's just my opinion.

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  45. I didn't explain my last point properly.

    What I meant was, people "kiss your ass" and seemingly agree with you as a way to get heard. You're unlikely to publish comments that blatantly disagree with what you're saying. So, they express their opinions in an appropriate, mature and respectful way. When in reality they're as irritated with you as you are with them.

    I've been reading this blog regularily and I find it fascinating, but, I honestly can't understand how you don't see what you're writing as hate. It's absolutely hate. And as much as I get amusement out of it sometimes (because of the outrageous ridiculousness of whats said here sometimes) I can see how horribly detremental it is. It's ironic, at the very least, that you're so concerned with the progression of womens rights when really, this blog is perpetuating very backwards thinking.

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  46. Anon at 7.05:

    *It's ironic, at the very least, that you're so concerned with the progression of womens rights when really, this blog is perpetuating very backwards thinking.*

    Putting all the controversies asides and focusing just on content, not delivering, what's so "backwards" with this blog?
    Zucker and all the other big names professors behind the new DSM seem much more backwards to me...

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  47. The FTMs on youtube make no sense

    "OMG I hate my body so much I'm so embarrassed and dysphoric....here look at my naked body public internet! *removes all clothing*"

    ...LOL

    and it makes me sad seeing these girls reduce themselves to curvy hips, high voices, feminine facial features, big asses, breasts and vaginas. Do they ever wonder if maybe there's more to life and identity than these things?

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  48. There used to be a site called Questioning Transgender. You can still find it on mirror sites, or via the Wayback Machine, if I'm not mistaken. The articles published there were about as courteous as it's possible to be, without the authors actually denying their true opinions. There was also a strong statement on the home page opposing discrimination and hatred against individual trans people.

    For a long time, it was the only site on the internet where you could find a feminist critique of trans ideology. Several articles made the same points Dirt has made about the extent to which queer theory has fueled the trans trend. Unfortunately, that site has been down for while -- allegedly because the owner was harassed so much. If you google around, you can find statements by trans activists denouncing Questioning Transgender as a hate site. What did that supposed hatred consist of, again? Oh, right. Suggesting that in many cases, transsexualism might be a sexist response to a sexist society.

    Funny how gay activists aren't trying to get every blog critical of gay rights shut down, even though opponents of gay rights say much worse things than Dirt ever has, or QT ever did.

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  49. Anon at 7.22:

    good point, I never considered that angle but that's true!
    If you are so body dysphoric, why post your body all over the internet?
    And anyway we are much more than our body.

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  50. Dirt, I just want to say that I think you are really beautiful in your videos and I love the way you speak and your words (I'm a straight woman btw, lol)

    and I love the Billie Holiday poster in he background of your videos too.

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  51. "What's new about Dirt's blog is that she was the first person (on the internet, at least) to connect all these facts together (maybe in a good way, maybe not - but she tried to paint a bigger picture I've never ever seen in "queer" discussions)."

    Paranoid conspiracy theorists believe that they are more intelligent than other humans, that they only can see the unseen forces acting against us, that people are after them, that what they have to say is important and that everyone should listen. That they are some kind of martyr or savior. This is a mental disorder caused by an inflation of the ego, usually in response to personal stress. They need attention, they HAVE to believe that they are important enough that people would come after them. That cannot risk considering that their theories are incorrect and that other human actually have agency and are aware of things around them.

    This is exactly what's going on with Dirt and we should be having more compassion towards her, as she appears to be decompensating (going downhill).

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  52. I definitely don't think Dirt is a conspiracy nut. Many of her warnings are real and the fact so many people get violent over it might be proof. I don't always agree with her, but the problems she SEES are real.

    My 2 ass-kissing cents.

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  53. @Bluetraveler said...
    Anon at 7.05:

    *It's ironic, at the very least, that you're so concerned with the progression of womens rights when really, this blog is perpetuating very backwards thinking.*

    Putting all the controversies asides and focusing just on content, not delivering, what's so "backwards" with this blog?
    Zucker and all the other big names professors behind the new DSM seem much more backwards to me...



    I believe I said HUMAN RIGHTS and Adult Survivors of Child Sexual Abuse. Yes, that would include Women's Rights.


    I am not pro DSM.. It changes with the climate.

    well.. The attacking for one. The brain cells is one small example of that.

    belittling example aiden, haiden, caiden

    Not sourcing things out. Like giving clear examples of research.

    Putting the line through men on transmen is another form of dismissing how people feel. How people feel has nothing to do with dsm. For example lets say I was writing regarding Dirt. And I wrote Butch Female and put a line through female or through butch. I would be discounting how Dirt sees herself. Additionally it appears attacking.

    We know how both you and I feel about the pictures.

    I truly believe Dirt could do something positive with this blog without giving up who she is as a Feminist. I truly do.. If her desire is to educate the realitiy of transitioning she could actually do this without putting pictures of those who don't want them here.

    Hold those who post accountable for what they post and not allow hateful things from either side.

    Get rid of the anonymous setting to lend more credibility to those who are posting. It won't stop it, but it certainly will reduce it.

    I am sure there is more, but that gives you an idea. I know when I was doing my essays in college, pursuasive writing works better with documentation.

    I will guarantee you pot shots are meant for places like the National Enquirer. I have never heard of anyone learning something they will take seriously from the National Enquirer.

    Pot Shots and slam dunking people does not work for either side.

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  54. @BlueTraveler
    "Dirt is a Feminist Seperatist..."

    I didn't know it but I find it hard to believe since Dirt has a bleoved brother and many male friends, nor has she ever said anything bad about particular males - just about patriarchy and its effects on males/females.


    I absolutely agree with you there. I am respecting what she has stated on her blog in the past. However some of the seperatists I was close to in the past would never embrace another as a feminist seperatist because of affiliation with males. But out of respect to what I have seen Dirt post, I am giving her the benefit of what she sees herself as.

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  55. Loretta, I do agree with what you said. I think that if Dirt did all those things then this blog would be better and healthier in terms of dialogue.
    I post here because it's a place with lots of traffic and because it's one of the few places on the internet where you can discuss transsexuality. But I do think it would be better off on both sides with the changes you suggested.

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  56. @Bluetraveler said...
    Loretta, I do agree with what you said. I think that if Dirt did all those things then this blog would be better and healthier in terms of dialogue.
    I post here because it's a place with lots of traffic and because it's one of the few places on the internet where you can discuss transsexuality. But I do think it would be better off on both sides with the changes you suggested.

    Thank You..

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  57. Bluetraveler, I just wanted to say that I agree with much of what you have said.
    I do think Dirt could afford to be more respectful.
    Maybe if she was, more people would be able to see the main message and there wouldn't be so many up in arms. Maybe.
    There will always be those people that will be unhappy regardless of what you do though.

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  58. Aww Lara, thanks so much!

    dirt

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  59. Well thank you Lorretta and Dean, I do believe in dialogue, it's the only thing we have as human beings to enter in contact and understand each other.
    I believe trans people too have many things to say, Dirt, and that by turning a deaf ear many times you're not helping.
    So maybe, you could strike out the moderation in every post, but outlaw anonimity?

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  60. *by a deaf ear I mean, of course, censoring
    Maybe I wasn't clear enough in the post above

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  61. Anon@7:33. This is complete drivel. Apparently, you can't handle the idea that other people might disagree with you, and say so publicly.

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  62. Blue, I'm not interested in "dialoging", I use this space to provide truthful information about misogyny.

    Nor am I interested in the malecentric trans agenda which has and continues trying to and often has succeeded in quashing any remnant of true feminism critique where ever it is hunted down and found.

    If you choose to bend your blog to men that is your choice, it isnt however going to happen here.

    If people are not interested in what I write, there is a simple solution, dont read.

    dirt

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  63. No one's asking you to bend your opinions or change your point of view. I think there is a difference between that and giving another human being a little respect and tolerance. Bluetraveler is not "joining the dark side" but she is trying to understand it. And that is all anyone really wants is their voice heard. A little mutual respect is not too much to ask, In my opinion!

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  64. "If you choose to bend your blog to men that is your choice, it isnt however going to happen here."

    I am not bending my blog to men or to trans ideology, I'm allowing people to talk - wheter I agree or not is outside the point.
    And, even if transsexuality was all a delusion, even if it was, trans people would still be people, and I think something could still very clearly be gotten across: their pain.
    Your blog is entirely yours, and you are entitled to make the rules. However, since you are observing a reality that encompasses us all and, more or less, you're the only one reporting it, I think my suggestion was fair.
    Still, act as you wish, but don't complain if people paint you as "intransigent, black-and-white, one-sided" and so on. In my opinion, it's the biggest thing, together with the insults, tying you down, and I'm writing as someone who largely admires your work against misogyny.

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  65. NB,

    Females are being murdered, currently in greater and younger numbers, "respecting" those and the systems responsible is the LAST thing that I'm going to do, here or anywhere else.

    So again, if you (the general you) arent interested in writings that tackle those systems and inspire other women to take on those systems then this blog probably isnt for you.

    dirt

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  66. If someone wishes to discuss any personal issues with me, painful or otherwise, I have posted on the side where I can be reached.

    dirt

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  67. Dirt, I'd make a difference between the "system of oppression" (patriarchy) and the ones working for it (men and, according to you, not unjustly maybe, transpeople). One is evil and a machine, others are working in that machine but are also human, have dignity in themselves and what's more, can choose not to work for the system anymore. Moreover, you definitely can't paint all people with the same brush - there's difference between Chlorine and, say, Notebook, and many others.
    Maybe I'm being too optimistic here, but I think that if you gave transpeople more respect as people, simply as that, then they'd concentrate more on what you say than how you say it.

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  68. *also, I know you know transpeople are human, and the thing to contact you on the sides was nice of you, seeing how many trans communities totally reject detransitioners.

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  69. Going to sleep btw, I've gotta work tomorrow.

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  70. I do not think it is fair to judge all people in the same "community" the same for the actions of one. I don't think all trans identified folks are the same, all straight males are not the same, all gay men, etc, are not cookie cutter made from the same mold.

    Perhaps we share interests, opinions, sex organs and our sexuality may be the same, but it's unjust to judge every man or transman as a rapist or as a sexist. BUT, if you want to judge everyone as the same person for the actions of one, I still respect your freedom to do as such. And that is all Bluetraveler is saying, I think. Is mutual respect for eachother. Not really a common ground as much as tolerance and understanding and a little chivalry.

    Also, my verification word was price. Weird.

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  71. I do not NOT treat every human as a human, because I do not validate their (trans) deluded notions of themselves doesnt change that one iota.

    I am not going to further harm the mentality of the trans person by invalidating their true self, which remains buried in them.

    dirt

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  72. NB, I'm not "judging" trans people at all, questioning, presenting evidence etc isnt "judging".

    There is no need for my judgment, trans people judge themselves enough, their inner eye is in constant criticism.

    dirt

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  73. I'm not saying not to question the trans ideology. And Im not even saying don't 'present evidence' to disprove the transsexual mindset. But respect is not the same as validation. It's difficult to have a conversation with someone who disrespects who you are, and if you feel attacked at the core of your identity, you feel less inclined to open up to any type of discussion. I mean correct me if I am wrong but isn't the point of all of this to open up discussion on the matter?

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  74. Here's a small bit of proof that dirt just pulls all this out her butt for attention. This young one was featured on a "who's transitioning" entry and is not even transitioning. It shows that dirt doesn't even bother to watch these kids' videos, she just wants to be inflammatory and gain attention. Pathetic!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl1V3uNXqTg

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  75. THANK YOU DEAN December 18, 2010 2:02 PM.... i to am an ftm and i agree with you and have also seperated from the trans community as i personally dont feel i 'belong' and i personally dont want the image "ftm" people are portraying here.

    Dirt i also agree with you 100% December 18, 2010 8:35 PM


    Also im very thankful for someone coming forward and tackling issues Dirt is, even with all the threatining or rape/violence she refuses to stand down, does no one else but my self this that is applaudable?

    Dont get me wrong i have my own views on some of Dirts message (her approach) but is getting angry and hating her going to fix that? no!
    its only confirming to her and the rest of the world what she is saying.

    I think we DO need to challenge EVERYTHING i mean people challenge "cults" based on religion every day (i use cult as i saw someone refering to 'trans' community as a cult) although you HAVE to be involved with in the community be be apart of it, i have NO itention of that and i agree i think we need to publicly make available (run and moderated by trans people) addressing issues that Dirt has brought to our attention.

    I honestly didnt know about the extent of this until i saw Dirts blog.

    ALSO for those who's pictures are published as far as i no Dirt does cheak their video settings so thier pictures are here at their own fault.

    Z

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  76. Given the nature of both the topic and the internet, it's not surprising that some commenters choose to remain completely anonymous. No initials, no handles, no nothin'. There are quite a few thoughtful anonymous posts, but if the anon option is eliminated, the people writing them will likely leave. The discussion would then be limited to a small number of posters who are willing to be semi-identifiable, and a whole lot of sock puppets created by the malicious anons. That would change not just the tone, but the content as well. At least right now, you're more likely to hear from a broader range of people, particularly the ones who have gotten tired of being shouted down by the pc police every time they voice some reservations about transsexuality.

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  77. @notlya said...
    Here's a small bit of proof that dirt just pulls all this out her butt for attention. This young one was featured on a "who's transitioning" entry and is not even transitioning. It shows that dirt doesn't even bother to watch these kids' videos, she just wants to be inflammatory and gain attention. Pathetic!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl1V3uNXqTg


    Hey there,

    I saw that one and I saw another one where the youngster went to their mother and their mother was not very receptive. They said there mother said if they still felt that way in 2 or 3 months they could talk about it. Another words Mom knows their child and their child will be off and running onto something else in a few months. But no transitioning going on.. Not as much as cross dressing and Dirt puts the person on her blog. The kid was 13 or 14 if I remember right.

    BTW this is Still Lorretta :-)

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  78. Lorretta stop your bullshit whining about someone saying the word "retarded" when you yourself used the word "lame" in this very thread, which is about as able-ist as it gets. Hypocrite. And your suggestion that Dirt should censor comments from both "sides" is pathetic. Oh and this: "I cared enough I put my advocacy towards adult survivors of child sexual abuse ahead of my own career". It's your felony criminal past that employers are reacting to, not your "advocacy". You are a stalker and an abuser. You posted Dirt's home address and personal information and encouraged critics to terrorize her. You actions are now bearing fruit, as she is being followed and stalked. You are an abuser. You have posted RETARDED rants against feminism itself on your blog. It is a testament to Dirt's desire for uncensored discussion that your moldy comments are allowed to see the light of day on her blog, the very one you suggest she censor.

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  79. LMAO don't even act like it's not funny that 90% of FTMs are named Aiden or some variation of it. And the other 10% are named Tyler or some variation of it!

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  81. Aonon @ 7:24pm - Great comment from beginning to end.

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  82. additionally I have never had a criminal record. See this is the thing with these anon posts.. No proof but everyone is supposed to buy that bill of goods.

    YES.. I do have Dirts personal information. No I have not posted it.. YES I will give it to anyone who has their picture on here. Dirt knows I intend to do that as it is asked for until she pulls the pics.

    Nice Try..

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  83. That's right Lorretta, you redacted and posted that Dirt's personal info would only be supplied via email request. You sent it out voluntarily to various online people. It's all on record. Do you really think Dirt has no friends? You sent the info out to some of them, dumb ass. You should be reported for stalking and conspiracy for encouraging hate crimes.
    Oh and sue the LATimes for reporting your criminal record.

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  84. @ Lorretta

    lol hun You look like the crazy one right now, jsyk.

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  85. @ Lorretta

    lol hun You look like the crazy one right now, jsyk.

    whatever and my name is not HUN

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  86. Sorry, but I highly doubt that Dirt could play most of the negative commentators that she gets. I also know better, since I've met transsexuals who would say these kinds of things (though I wish they would not). So I'm not really buying into that theory. Describing the trans community as a cult wasn't far off of my experience.

    Dirt:

    Fact is, it is the 'Male Medical Machine' that claims I am mentally ill (ala Ray Blanchard and Co.), and you aren't disagreeing with that by stating that I am delusional. I wonder if you might elaborate on how your opinion really differs from theirs, and why I should believe in your words any more than what they have written.

    Even if I am delusional, I far prefer this delusion to what you claim is my reality, and figuring out that this was just a delusion would make no difference in my decision. What you think I buried was a parody of a life that made me so miserable I wanted to die.

    The fact of the matter is that I am better off as an adult woman; I have become happy, social, and well-adjusted now, and I am far from the only person who thinks so. I went into hormone therapy with extreme skepticism of it doing anything positive, and that's one time in my life that I am glad I was so very wrong about.

    You also said:
    [There is no need for my judgment, trans people judge themselves enough, their inner eye is in constant criticism.]

    While many transsexuals do tend to doubt or question themselves on a regular basis, that is not me. If you're looking for that in all of us, you won't find it here.

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  88. Right now Dirt if you think I will ever believe anyone who tells me they are feminist and you ar anti-rape think again.

    Where is your feminist self now Dirt? My cousins and I were raped in a Taxidermy Shop for 7 years of our lives by the man who accused me of a crime..

    Either you wrote that or you know who did. I have made a pdf file of this whole string.

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  89. Loretta it's so awful that you were abused like that. The article made no mention of your criminal history (or accusations thereof). Do you think your history as an abuse survivor causes you to send out the home address of bloggers you disagree with? Do you see it as a form of empowerment?
    I'm sorry you were abused and hope you are healing in healthy ways.

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  90. Anonymous said...
    Loretta it's so awful that you were abused like that. The article made no mention of your criminal history (or accusations thereof). Do you think your history as an abuse survivor causes you to send out the home address of bloggers you disagree with? Do you see it as a form of empowerment?
    I'm sorry you were abused and hope you are healing in healthy ways.

    The accusation my my abuser is on the second or third page.


    Absolutely not. I am well grounded. I specifically posted on MY BLOG I have the info. I have given it to three people. In order to get the info I made them go through specific steps to be absolutely certain there picture was on Dirts Blog. I almost gave in and gave it to someone who posts here one night but I would have had to break my own rules. I did not give them the info. I will continue to give ONLY those who have their pics over here the info. While Google will not help them, they do have rights if they can afford an attorney. But like any xyz privilege the ability to fight back has to do with the ability to afford an attorney.

    I don't need to feel empowered. Right now I am angry as hell someone would stoop this low. But having seen the tactics over here it should come as no surprise.

    The nice thing is there is nothing else to hold over my head. But then there never was.. I gave up my inheritance and career to do the right thing and to help others. And for that I feel no shame. But pissed!! You bet I am. As the anon said.. They are friends with her. So if it is not Dirt it is a friend.

    I will never buy her Rape email stories again. That is for sure.

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  91. Lorretta where did you get Dirt's personal information that you are sending out and offering via email? You said that people could not get it online via Google, etc.

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  93. Loretta says: " I have been very leary of making anymore videos". Loretta you have taken Dirt's youtube images and reproduced them and edited them in ways not approved by her, and in ways attempting to disrespect her. Do you mean you are leery of making more videos where you take youtube videos and re-edit them like you have with Dirt's images, or what? In what circumstances is it ethical to take people's youtube images for one's own use against their wishes? I ask because you say that is your main reason for stalking Dirt and sending out her home address and personal data, yet you re-purposed her videos and image for you own amusement. Is it OK if Dirt provided people's personal data and home addresses online the way you have done? If she gave the trans trender's home address and name, etc. Is that OK for you? Or if she re-edited their videos and re-posted them- is that OK?
    Because you have done all those things.

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  94. <<

    yet you re-purposed her videos and image for you own amusement.
    >>

    Actually if you go read the caption under that video I made it clear it is not mine. I asked the creator if I could put it on my youtube channel.

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  95. So it's OK with you if Dirt gives out trans trenders names and home addresses, as you do?

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  96. Anonymous said...
    So it's OK with you if Dirt gives out trans trenders names and home addresses, as you do?

    these ftm's who have their photo's over here have the right to confront her. They have done nothing to deserve this from her. Not one thing. All they have done is self expression and for that they have been humiliated, demeaned, and the list goes on. Go look at the strings. They have done NOTHING to deserve this. Not one thing. She can remove these photo's at any time. The choice is hers. She has no reason to have their contact info. They have done nothing to her. Yes, I think it is very different. They will not get this info if their pic is not on this blog. Originally I was gong to give it to all who have pics here. I decided quickly that was too much work as there are so many of them. So they have to come to me to get it.

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  97. Loretta you're a damn liar. You sent her info out willy-nilly and don't try to pretend you didn't.

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  98. Anonymous said...
    Loretta you're a damn liar. You sent her info out willy-nilly and don't try to pretend you didn't.

    I am not going to sit here and keep arguing with an anon.. I know the method I have been using to give out this info and I will continue to use the same method. If a person does not have a pic over here, they will have no reason to get it from me.

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  99. "You are incorrect.
    There are a number of trans spaces, both real and online, which welcome detransitioned people with open arms. The forum I frequent has a number of non-transitioning people and a couple de-transitioned ones. "

    And of course there are so many, you are not even able to give one url to enlighten your point ;) ?

    There NO space for trans-people who want to detransition, No Youtube community channel where Ex Transguys can explain how they are in their de-transition, No Facebook group or page, No online forum or chat group....And the same apply for ex-partners of transpeople.
    The reason why those spaces DO NOT exist is because the de-transitionning and also the ex-partners are silenced and threatened by trans-people. What happens here publicly against Dirt happens all the time for single individuals who try to open their mouth about trans-people. Either withing the LGBTQI community or in the real world, trans-people silence and try to dominate any voice that just want to give a different opinion. It is the most hateful and violent group, I have ever seen, even extremist religious do not behave like this....You are a shame for freedom of speech...

    They do not

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  100. A lot of comments here are about " Dirt is writing the hateful comments"...I don't think so and in anycase when you on Youtube, Facebook, Tumblr and livejournal, the incredible numbers of Trans guy who claim or support the idea that this blog is "hateful", one outsider can conclude from the counting there are at least 300 trans-people out there who do not cope at all with the idea of having a different opinion than theirs and who are ready to threaten freedom of speech because they feel incomfortable everytime Dirt (or her readers) question trans-identity or the transition or show that doctors and hormon manufacturers are making a lot of money, or are just showing than the trans-wanabee are younger and younger, or are showing the mid and long-term effects of transition, or proove with pictures that a lot of surgeries are in fact butcheries or just share their testimonial as a member of LGBTQI community or as ex-partners who question this fad, or raise attention to the fact that the trans-community expansion in colleges/uni, student affairs and advocacy group is done at the expense of the L&G...I don't seen anything hateful here. It is questioning but it is not hateful...

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  101. [The reason why those spaces DO NOT exist is because the de-transitionning and also the ex-partners are silenced and threatened by trans-people.]

    I am not either of those and have had the same treatment from the kind of people who evidently complain about me being a disgraceful trans betrayer. Whatever the hell that is, since I wasn't aware 'trans' was its own independent entity. So sorry that I did not assimilate with the hive mind; I must have missed that part of the becoming a *woman* process. I do have FTM friends, but that is based on each person's individual merits; what they are makes no difference to me. One has to be truly deluded indeed to think that I would embrace every single person who is forsaking the same womanhood I have embraced. Bit of a difference in priorities, there.

    [What happens here publicly against Dirt happens all the time for single individuals who try to open their mouth about trans-people.]

    Not from me, I won't watch it going on without saying something, and I know damned well that I don't just speak for myself when I say that I am really, *really* tired of being lotted in with such people. I tend to see people hating on us for that type of person all over the Internet, and when I speak up to other transsexuals it's all, "Well, why should we be nice to the *cisgender* people?" I dislike that word, because you can tell the type of person who isn't interested in being a man or woman heart and soul when they feel the need to be exclusionary about who is a transsexual and who is not.

    [Either withing the LGBTQI community or in the real world, trans-people silence and try to dominate any voice that just want to give a different opinion.]

    Not all of us, Kay. You can see some of us have come to the defense of Dirt's right to free speech.

    [It is the most hateful and violent group, I have ever seen, even extremist religious do not behave like this...]

    I've met up with a few others. Extremists will always be extremists, no matter what type of person they are.

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  102. The comments on this post are precisely why there will never be unmoderated comments in the general. Something I learned years ago at LJ when being inundated with insane off topic comments by the Mtf "dirt obsessed". Clearly the man who calls himself "lorretta" is one such obsessed nut.

    Hex, you do understand you arent in good company here.

    dirt

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  103. Free comments are now closed.

    dirt

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  104. [Hex, you do understand you arent in good company here.]

    I knew that the moment I figured out what much of the transsexual community was really like.

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  105. everybody has a right to their opinion, but i dont understand what your point is here. Your saying that trans people are just insecure gay people, who transition because they think they can pass for being straight and thus make life easier? or am i mistaken?

    i have plenty of gay friends, that being "gay" male and "lesbian" female (even though they all just say gay) who have no problem with me being trans, and have never said that im not "family" or "community"

    so what exactly are you saying, without 9 million references to literature or science, what is your opinion of trans....

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  106. Derrick, you're right, you dont understand. Not sure where you have drawn your conclusions from, but clearly not from my blog.

    dirt

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  107. Derrick, you obviously have not read this blog. Why don't you do that first, and then respond to what is actually being said here?

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