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Friday, November 12, 2010

Dirt's Open Comments Day

As today approached, I've been thinking about those days when I was a kid in school and a few kids would be caught screwing around and the whole class would be made to put our heads down on our little desks. I hated the unfairness of it all, why should the majority of the class be punished for things we didnt do?

In the handful of Open Days we've had, there has been some really good comments posted by dykes, transmen, gay men, lesbians, parents, therapists and so on. Comments posted in the name of discussion,with the hopes of understanding. I feel moderating comments will inhibit OPEN discussion and those good comments wont be so good because they'll be edited. I HATE editing. Editing is what females are conditioned to do from birth, we edit, we edit what we say, how we say it, who we say it too, what we wear and how we wear it, where we wear it to etc.

So on that note, I've decided to leave Open Day unmoderated-what I will do instead is delete comments I find trollish or made solely for the purpose of drama mongering or purely for the purpose of hate. While I cannot be on here the whole 24 hours of Open Day, if/when a trollish comment is made, please ignore it and I will take care of it when I can.

Happy Friday and lets have a productive Open Day!

dirt

Edit to add, clearly the trans community isnt interested in reasonable undrama mongering discussion. So be it. All comments moderated from here on out. Again, folks like HS (whether we agree or not) who are interested in making a serious point, your comments will be put through.
 
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  1. Thank you Dirt, for another open day. I'm sure some idiots will attempt to piss all over it, but it's fairly easy to ignore.

    I just want to point out, and will keep pointing out, that I agree there is a trend going on towards transition, BUT transsexuality DOES exist and is a real condition for which transitioning is the only treatment for. I know this because I am a transsexual. I transitioned over 12 years ago before it was a 'cool' thing to do, and when you had to go through an arduous process to be able to do. I transitioned when the Harry Benjamin Standards of Care still existed to weed out those who were doing it for other reasons - such as because society told them they were too masculine as a Butch woman, or because they liked to work on cars or play with Tonka trucks.
    I KNEW this would happen... I told my wife years ago that this trend towards transition would hurt those of us who truly are transsexual and whose lives were made whole by the ability to access the meds & surgery. I think it's criminal that the HBSOC was done away with, and that virtually anyone can walk into a Dr's office now and walk back out with a script for hormones. It infuriates me - probably MORE than it does most of you on here. And then I have to deal with seeing my truth and my identity bashed online because of it.

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  2. FYI changing the "reactions" area you made too much text and the last one is cut off.

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  3. Actually there is no real proof (other than the say so of "trans" themselves-highly unreliable) that trans isnt anything more than a disorder. There is also no proof that the current barbarism called "treatment" cures trans issues long term. Trans folks like any drug addict will say whatever they believe they have to to maintain a trans lifestyle.

    dirt

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  4. Who,

    It isnt on mine and I've had a couple emails saying they liked the change, so it wasnt on theirs. Perhaps its how you are viewing it?

    dirt

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  5. Dirt, I still don't think you should be attacking single individuals or posting peoples' photos. I think you should go back through and take those things out of your blog.

    I also don't agree with many things you say, they aren't logical a lot of the time or they are just ignorant because you don't have all the information.

    I'm trying to say that I'm not really a supporter you of you, although I do think you have a few good points at times.

    I have followed your blogs for a few years and I do think you have got better in terms of not being as rude and crass as you were so I do appreciate that but I still think you should stop attacking people and posting their photos.

    That said, I have gone and watched some of the videos about you on YT. I was shocked by some of these people putting up these videos of themselves cussing and threatening you.

    It was a sickening vulgar display. I would be afraid to be anywhere near some of these people. I think they are unstable to say the least.

    I've been in on many private conversations among transmen and I can tell you that there are some very scary individuals in that crowd. Some of the things I've heard of them doing they weren't even on T yet. Real violence toward others they just don't like for whatever reason.

    There are many transmen like that and the T seems to just enhance their already nasty dispositions. It shows on their videos about you.

    Yes you have been very disrespectful toward people on this blog and previously on your LJ, but it is no reason to threaten violence or get on a video and basically beat your chest in such a gross display. These people don't act like men at all, they act like crazed apes.

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  6. If trans symptoms were truly caused by neurology, trans advocates would be lobbying for brain based cures, not experimental sex characteristic surgery and a lifetime of hormone loading.
    The whole phenomena is a house of cards based on lies.
    How many of the trans people reading this look forward to a CURE for this disorder? One that removes the feeling of inhabiting the "wrong" body?

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  7. Who, I dont "attack" anyone and I havent posted anything that these folks havent posted publicly themselves.

    We've already seen several parents who because of those post realized what was going on with their daughters and this trans trend and quickly nipped the issue in the bud.

    Several girls lives have been saved merely by passing along visual info already made public.

    Seems the visual effects is what works best and I've already had quite a few emails asking me to use more visual stimuli to make points.

    A picture is worth a thousands words.

    dirt

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  8. Those kids are putting themselves at risk on youtube. See there:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tCZtY_j2EM

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  9. @Leigh, give your sources otherwise your comment is not fact based unlike this blog which is fact based. So any link dude ?

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  10. Yes let's see the proof that gender is based in biology and not society.
    Let's see the proof that the human mind can only experience certain thoughts, feelings, and traits based on the brain's biologic sex.

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  11. I started to compile a list of websites with articles about research, but if you feel like educating yourself, as I chose to, then Google it yourself. The articles are all over the internet.

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  12. Post the list here Leigh, we are interested thanks :D !

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  13. I'll be doing a bit of shameless self-promoting here:

    http://questioningtranssexuality.blogspot.com/2010/11/analogy-that-will-win-nobel-literature.html

    This post was informed by, among other things,

    http://www.annelawrence.com/twr/brain-sex_critique.html

    http://www.tradingmysorrows.com/Home/6-things-you-need-to-know

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/102/1/e9

    In short, the jury is still very much out on the intersexual brain theory. And even if it was true, the treatment for it is barbaric and cut'n drugs.

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  14. Ah, the internet. Leigh=FAIL

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  15. @Leigh, instead of insulting the transguys who are here, give us your list thanks ;)

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  16. Ok... I did my part. I tried to participate in an open minded, educated discussion - in hopes that the hate mongering and mis-information would stop and we could find some middle ground. But it's pointless to try when the very author of the blog continues to lead the witch hunt, and deny the authenticity of an entire community of people. It's laughable that a few days ago, I believed maybe we were making some headway.

    Who are YOU to tell ME that I am not authentic in who I am?? And to refer to us as drug addicts... I don't even take T regularly anymore. I know a lot of post-op transMEN who no longer take T once the desired changes occur.

    And yes - it's a disorder. I won't argue that fact - it's a disorder I was born with, that has an effective treatment. I realize you want to make success stories like mine invisible, but they DO exist. You're sensationalizing the bad examples you come across and mis-informing your readers by telling them that these examples represent the entire trans experience. It's typical hate mongering - much like a great deal of heterosexuals who claim gays and lesbians are child molesters and spreading AIDS all over the world. Or like the people who claim Butches are wannabe men. Or Fred Phelps claiming that AIDS and 9/11 and dead soldiers are God's punishment for homosexuality. You're behaving the same way.

    (To be continued due to length of post)

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  17. You can empower and support young women a lot more effectively by using real facts and sharing your own personal story without your false judgments and hate speech. You talk about the parents who have written to you, and have refused to consider the fact that they may actually have a trans child - because whether you like it or not, transsexuality DOES exist and CAN be effectively treated - and now if one of those kids actually were trans, you have succeeded in turning their parents against them leaving them alone and without help. Assuming one of those kids actually were trans, they are 55% more likely to commit suicide than any other group. According to both the American Medical Association and the The World Profession for Transgender Health,
    "Gender Identity Disorder (GID) is a serious medical condition recognized as such in both the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Medical Disorders 4th Edition (DSM-IV) and the International Classification of Diseases (10th Revision); and is characterized in the DSM-IV as a persistent discomfort with one's assigned sex and with one's primary and secondary sex characteristics, which causes intense emotional pain and suffering; and GID, if left untreated, can result in clinically significant psychological distress, dysfunction, debilitating depression and, for some people without access to appropriate medical care and treatment, suicidality and death"

    Apparently, you have somehow attained some knowledge that these organizations of medical professionals have not... and have found some sort of "proof" that GID is not real. Can you back your theories up with medical and/or psychological research/studies? A medical degree? No... your opinion is based on perceived proofs that are unfounded in any resemblance of truth, and in hatred towards something you clearly don't understand, nor care to. So should one of those kids actually be trans... and have their support system yanked out from under them because of you and people like you - then their blood is on YOUR hands. But that's your karma to live with I suppose.
    I realized this morning that you and your faithful sheep aren't open to the truth, and don't care about stepping on other peoples truths to promote your own skewed point of view, so sharing my voice here is truly a waste of time. Sad really... but I'll keep letting people know the truth as I am living it, and let young people know that there is help out there and that they are not invisible just because you say they are.
    I leave you with this... you get what you put out. It's the law of attraction. You want to be accepted by society, you want to be visible, you want equality. You won't ever get those things by spewing hatred and judgement towards others.

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  18. You can empower and support young women a lot more effectively by using real facts and sharing your own personal story without your false judgments and hate speech. You talk about the parents who have written to you, and have refused to consider the fact that they may actually have a trans child - because whether you like it or not, transsexuality DOES exist and CAN be effectively treated - and now if one of those kids actually were trans, you have succeeded in turning their parents against them leaving them alone and without help. Assuming one of those kids actually were trans, they are 55% more likely to commit suicide than any other group. According to both the American Medical Association and the The World Profession for Transgender Health,
    "Gender Identity Disorder (GID) is a serious medical condition recognized as such in both the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Medical Disorders 4th Edition (DSM-IV) and the International Classification of Diseases (10th Revision); and is characterized in the DSM-IV as a persistent discomfort with one's assigned sex and with one's primary and secondary sex characteristics, which causes intense emotional pain and suffering; and GID, if left untreated, can result in clinically significant psychological distress, dysfunction, debilitating depression and, for some people without access to appropriate medical care and treatment, suicidality and death"

    (Cont.)

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  19. Apparently, you have somehow attained some knowledge that these organizations of medical professionals have not... and have found some sort of "proof" that GID is not real. Can you back your theories up with medical and/or psychological research/studies? A medical degree? No... your opinion is based on perceived proofs that are unfounded in any resemblance of truth, and in hatred towards something you clearly don't understand, nor care to. So should one of those kids actually be trans... and have their support system yanked out from under them because of you and people like you - then their blood is on YOUR hands. But that's your karma to live with I suppose.
    I realized this morning that you and your faithful sheep aren't open to the truth, and don't care about stepping on other peoples truths to promote your own skewed point of view, so sharing my voice here is truly a waste of time. Sad really... but I'll keep letting people know the truth as I am living it, and let young people know that there is help out there and that they are not invisible just because you say they are.
    I leave you with this... you get what you put out. It's the law of attraction. You want to be accepted by society, you want to be visible, you want equality. You won't ever get those things by spewing hatred and judgement towards others.

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  20. The fact that this lone blog is protested and contested soooooo much by trans and trans apologist is proof positive trans is a disorder and nothing else and the trans body is junk science made real.

    The trans experiment to eradicate homosexuals has been a HUGE failure, one that now is threatening the lives of young insecure women amid a world of dead feminism and hyper-sexual femininity that no female can fit.

    If your identity cannot exist alone, its faux.

    dirt

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  21. Congrats on ignoring these points:

    http://www.annelawrence.com/twr/brain-sex_critique.html

    http://www.tradingmysorrows.com/Home/6-things-you-need-to-know

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/102/1


    guys.
    And Leigh, where would I show my ignorance on my post or is it just too widespread to pinpoint?

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  22. I've gone back through your blog, Dirt, and you have several older entries where you do indeed attack individuals. There was one where you claimed it was their photo when it was someone else you found elsewhere online. I know because I've seen that person and the photo you posted and claim is them is not actually them. You can make your points about surgeries without posting peoples' faces or making entire entries making fun of someone. I think that takes away from the points you're making and makes you look like just another bully.

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  23. @Hate Sucks- do you support research into a cure for this disorder?

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  24. Its interesting that HS would think that the medical community would be immune from gender conditioning.

    Last I checked the medical community hasnt been raised in a vacuum.

    And given the LONG history the patriarchal medical community has of using its male pathology and power to silence women, that HS (a female bodied person) would be a bit more suspect of them.

    But brainwashing runs deep.

    dirt

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  25. Oh, Leigh, because you know how Dirt looks is important to the subject at hands! After all, she is a woman, so she must be at least pretty to male viewers.
    What about the links I linked which discussed and contradicted the brain theory of transsexuality? And even assuming the theory is true, why are mutilation and drugs the cure to being yourself?

    Sincerely,
    Another Angry Bert with her head up her ass

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  26. BlueT,

    Your current story is brilliant! It REALLY illustrates the trans situation.

    bravo to you

    dirt

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  27. Also...

    "ball-less" as an insult definitely reeks of man.

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  28. And an interesting quote from dr. Paul McHugh:

    “I have witnessed a great deal of damage from sex-reassignment… we psychiatrists have been distracted from studying the causes and natures of their mental misdirections by preparing them for surgery and for a life in the other sex. We have wasted scientific and technical resources and damaged our professional credibility by collaborating with madness rather than trying to study, cure, and ultimately prevent it.” (italics mine) (“Surgical Sex”, Hopkins University, First Things, November, 2004, volume 147, pp. 34-38)

    which was prompted by the removing of healthy breast tissue.

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  29. BT,

    Dont bother arguing with trolls, they will be deleted asap. Please ignore the fearful trolls.

    If they werent afraid of this discussion they wouldnt be so hell bent on stopping it, so do not let the discussion cease. Ignore.

    dirt

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  30. ...and one from Dr Paul Walker (via Walt Heyes's site) :

    Dr. Paul Walker, a co-founder of the Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association (HBIGDA), and the psychologist who approved me for surgery, said in his letter to me in May, 1990:
    “I had seen too many cases of post-surgical regret, in people treated elsewhere…” and “Clearly, a lesson from your tragedy is that the alcohol/drug abuse must be addressed first, before the alleged gender issues…”

    I don't necessarily agree with Heyes, but this data is not to discard as "bollocks"

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  31. When something that benefits them is brought to light, they argue forever, but when something dares contradict them with hard proof, they'll ignore it and disappear in silence.

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  32. @BT,

    Johns Hopkins stopped doing SRS because they realized the doktor who came up with "GID" also believed in "consensual pedophilia", the doktor and his junk science were asked to leave.

    dirt

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  33. Sad to see the trans folks labeling gender non-conformity as a disibility. A disability that they do NOT want cured, although they DO want to divert money and services from the truly disabled.

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  34. Haha! Sam you just posted your own picture here yourself! wtf????

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  35. Leigh: I don't care if you are a man or a woman, I really couldn't give a flying squirrel's ass. We as humans, with male, female or intersexed bodies, all deserve to be worthy. I said your insult reeked of man though, because it does.

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  36. doktor is a very deliberate misspelling, just like "United $tates of Amerika"

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  37. If think Dirt write "Doktor" to show it looks like WWII experiments

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  38. Yeah right, it's totally and unhumanly wrong to warn traditional Chinese women not to footbind!

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  39. @Sam, I am sorry dude, I am a straight woman and no way I would date someone like you : you look like a hairy squirrel not a man

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  40. @ Leigh-
    1.
    no one is disputing that you exist. You are here, obviously you exist. Please see: http://feminazi.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/transgender-non-logic-4739/
    2.
    Your argument that it is somehow unseemly to avoid or prevent unnecessary medical or surgical treatments is truly bizarre.
    3.
    Let's see the proof of your assertion that the human mind can only experience certain thoughts, feelings, and traits based on the brain's biologic sex.

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  41. Reasons one should always do their homework before using examples out of context, such as the closing of the gender clinic at Johns Hopkins... the closing of the gender clinic at Johns Hopkins was initiated, planned, and orchestrated by one Dr. Paul McHugh, who just so happens to be a traditionalist Christian, who also believes that homosexuality is a choice. When asked about the debate in the churches regarding homosexuality and same sex marriage, Dr. McHugh replied:
    "50 years ago [homosexual behavior] was a crime, and now we’re talking about [same-sex marriage]. Anyone who wants to stick with the tradition is accused of being a biblical literalist or a homophobic racist, because, in part, of the more fundamental change in our society towards permissiveness, that is, easy divorce, cohabitation and concubinage, abortion, pornography … and euthanasia. The issue of the homosexual is not separate … it’s all part and parcel of the pandemonium that the permissive movement has brought. We have just licensed all kinds of behavior."

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  42. How many of the trans people reading this look forward to a CURE for this disorder? One that removes the feeling of inhabiting the "wrong" body?

    Such a great point! The similarities between transexualism and Amputation Disorder are astounding, yet the medical community seems to recognize only one as a full blown mental illness.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apotemnophilia

    http://www.newsweek.com/2008/05/28/cutting-desire.html

    It should seem obvious that the persistent desire to "need" different body parts "in order to feel whole" is a mental illness, yet the transmedical community prefers to pretend that this desire is experienced by mentally healthy individuals. Sometimes they say they aren't making that assumption, but yes they are. They continually operate under the assumption that a mentally healthy girl who feels like expressing traits currently coded as male "is a boy" -- but in reality she's either just fallen into the trans-trend trap or mentally ill.

    And guess what? Since genuine transexualism is a mental illness, then referring to mentally healthy people as "cisgendered" makes no sense.

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  43. JH's closed because John Money's GID experiments were never proven successful and his promotion of consensual pedophilia. And of the the sad sad Reimer case.

    dirt

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  44. There also are no organized religions who have organized to protest transgenderism.

    Transgenderism plays right into religions hands of gender conformity and performity.

    Unlike homosexuality, which is transgressive from religious compulsory heterosexualim.

    dirt

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  45. Anonymous said...
    @Hate Sucks- do you support research into a cure for this disorder?

    November 12, 2010 10:18 AM

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  46. Hate Sucks.
    I was very glad to read your post. Especially because all I seem to be reading about it hate here. Both from Dirt, and from some trans people themselves in reaction. It's unfortunate that such reactions are occuring, but I believe the ignorant who do read Dirt's work for information must realize that such an emotional reaction comes from a place of pain. Most trans people are persecuted, by their families, government officials, doctors, and strangers on the street. Atleast online they feel they can retaliate, not that I'm saying those reactions are at all apropriate. Dirt, while you're intentions are noble-you do remain closed minded. You most definitely look for only the negatives, and blame ALL for the actions of a few. Hate Sucks makes a prime example of a transsexual who is not uttering death threats, nor regreting his transition. Apparantly he is happily married, and msot definitely not apart of the "lifestyle" you group all trans under. I find it almost comical, the crass and rude things you do say are exactly the types of things said by people who are homophobic. It's unfortunate, and I've seen it before, where lesbians will attack the trans community. I'm a proud lesbian myself, and don't understand it. Yes we aren't persecuted nearly as much as we used to be, does that give us free reign to turn on another minority? The references to "like a drug addict" and all the mention of the sexual lifestyles of transguys are exactly what homophobes say about gay men. They assume that all gay men are addicts, and immoral. Yes, there is some truth that such gay men with those lifestyles exist. Also there are trans with such a lifestyle. I assure you, there are even more with such a lifestyle in the straight community. You go looking for the worst, you'll find it. But listing only the worst, is mininformation and misleading. Hence the comments you've been recieving.

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  47. From Dr. Paul McHugh's own mouth:
    "Paul McHugh is a practicing Catholic.He describes himself as "religiously orthodox, culturally conservative believer in marriage and the Marines, a supporter of institutions and family values."

    Paul R. McHugh (born 1931) is an American psychiatrist who is a key figure in the academic pathologization of sex and gender minorities. McHugh famously shut down the gender identity clinic at Johns Hopkins, arguing that gender variance and homosexuality are essentially lifestyle choices or ideologies.

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  48. There is no reason why you can't post about the downsides to transitioning. Doctors tell patients all about them before they let them procede. Every legitimate risk you have listed, I've read before and was already aware of. Regardless, list away. But what bothers me is that you will not acknowledge that Transsexuality exists, you won't even admit to the possibility, will you? You won't post any positive stories, even though everything I have found suggests they are most definitely the majority. Such as surgery. Yes ofcourse it is not perfected, with all the stigma surrounding transsexuals, are you surprised? But what you don't mention is that even though they will never be "satisfied", (they can't be, they weren't born in the right body and we haven't perfected how to change that yet)they are far more satisfied than they had been before. It's better than having to hide your chest, better than looking down and having that reminder, better than being uncomfortable hugging a friend, better than binding everyday and having that physical pain. That's a given you probably weren't aware of.
    The idea of transitioning due to peer pressure, or a fad, terrifies me. Because yes, these are huge physical changes that should only be undergone if they are truly needed. But I also hate to think of the ones who do read your blog, and start second guessing something that they do need. Part of the reason for such emotional reactions, is because information is power. You have an influence and an impact on every person that reads your words here. You're not just dealing with potential unsuccessful surgeries and regreats. You're dealing with the suicides and ongoing pain of those who live in the wrong body and have yet to do anything about it. You think those feelings are simply from a fad? You think the pain they feel isn't legitimate, and doesn't hurt them everyday regardless of being accepted or condemned by others? You're wrong about that, and that's a vital point here.

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  49. m Andrea will you marry me?

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  50. I dont know about any other gay or lesbian, but if I had to rely on drugs with no long term studies and have my natural healthy body mutilated in order to be a lesbian, I'd be PRAYING for a fucking cure!

    dirt

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  51. @Hate Sucks. The argument you are using is not based on real logic at all, but an appeal to pity with very strong over-tones of manipulation: You need to do X for me, or if you don't then I will commit suicide.

    But you never allow anyone else to use that technique, which means in addition to being irrational you're also a hypocrite.

    The problem is, ANY wacked out group could use that technique, even pedophiles who fweel sad when they don't get to molest small children. Which is why reasonable people require more than mere "hey I feel sad" crap when determining civil rights.

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  52. m Andrea will you marry me?

    Hmmm, well I am already internet engaged to a few other radfems, but since we're already practicing polygamists, one more doesn't seem like a problem. :)

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  53. "I dont know about any other gay or lesbian, but if I had to rely on drugs with no long term studies and have my natural healthy body mutilated in order to be a lesbian, I'd be PRAYING for a fucking cure!"

    I am not on drugs... I only used hormones for a period of time in my early transition, and while to trans haters, my body may (in your skewed opinions) be a mutilation, it looks great and I am 100% happy, I love my appearance, love the way I feel, love that I see ME in the mirror. I pass 100% (did even prior to transition) and when I choose to tell people I am trans, they are often shocked and in disbelief. So this ongoing assumption that we all look alike and look disgusting.. sorry, it's just not true.

    Before my medical transition I didn't recognize myself in the mirror, was self conscious, depressed and on meds for it, withdrawn... since transition, I am an extrovert, my home is full of laughter and I LOVE my life, love to look in the mirror, and feel whole finally. I am SO grateful for the CURE I was able to receive.

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  54. Can I play the quote game???

    "Dr. John Meyer did a long-term follow-up study of 50 transsexuals who underwent SRS at Johns Hopkins. Meyer's report, issued in 1977, claimed that SRS confers no objective advantage in terms of social rehabilitation for transsexuals".

    dirt

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  55. HS,

    There were reasons you didnt recognize yourself, too bad you didnt ferret those reasons out beyond the "born in the wrong body" junk science.

    dirt

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  56. m_Andrea. LOL. I don't need anyone's pity... I have nothing to feel sorry for and certainly don't feel sorry for myself! I actually pity you guys whose lives are apparently lacking something, therefore making you prone to attacking and judging others.

    And what's your take on all the gay suicides? Manipulation as well? If you don't do X (accept me), I will kill myself.

    And how exactly do you come to the assumption that I "don't allow anyone else to use that technique"? That is so non-contextual. Every individual has the right to exist and live their truth and not be subject to judgement from other members of society - especially from other fringe groups. And to even mention pedophilia in a civil rights example is asinine. Now you sound like all the homophobes out there... is this a simple case of if you can't beat 'em, join 'em?

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  57. I knew McHugh was conservative, but not to such a point. Thanks for informing, then.

    This does not address the other critiques however. I mantain, even if the brain theory of transsexuality is proven right (and I'm open to that possibility actually, even though I think it's probably wrong, but good science accepts logical changes...), the cure is barbaric and in many cases disfiguring. HateSucks, you may have been one of those lucky one who had a masculine appearance even before T shots, but this cannot be said for everyone (hardly, if I must be objective). Some people cannot pass even on T, and now that transmen are becoming more mainstream, "cis" people are more aware of obvious FTM cues. And really, even if you were the best looking men in the world, why not accept your unique position of having a male brain and female body instead of taking possibly dangerous hormones and surgeries?

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  58. And I have never said transgenderism/sexuality didnt exist, I merely said it was created in a lab for the sole purpose of eradicating homosexuals. When it was later found to be useful in "normalizing" those deemed "different" or "non gender conforming" and later still HIGHLY profiting for the medical community, its been allowed to flourish.

    But in the past those seeking the trans "cure" were those on the fringe, straight men who get off on wearing womens clothes, queenie gay men and "mannish" women, with it now touching "home" so to speak in larger and larger numbers of young straight girls, in the very near future the current "treatment" will be changed to non drug/nonsurgery as they see how well the trans trenders respond to talk therapy and mild anti depressants.

    dirt

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  59. So now we've reduced individuals rights and validity to professional studies. Ok.. NARTH is a group of about 500 mental health professionals. They are unique among mental health professional associations in believing that a homosexual orientation is a curable mental health disorder caused by poor parenting. They beieve that it can be overcome with reparative therapy. On 1997-MAY-17, they announced the results of a two year study of 860 clients and their more than 200 psychologists and therapists. The study was conducted among nearly 860 individuals struggling to overcome homosexuality and more than 200 psychologists and therapists who treat them. The survey was sponsored by NARTH; its data was tabulated by professionals at Brigham Young University as well as Columbia University. 83 percent of respondents indicated that they entered therapy primarily because of homosexuality, 99 percent of those who participated in the survey said they now believe treatment to change homosexuality can be effective and valuable.
    So there are those in the medical arena who don't believe GID is real or has a treatment... there are also those who think you are homosexual by choice due to some sort of neurotic tendencies. This is what you get when you start down the slippery slope of deciding for others who they are and whether they matter.

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  60. To complement your post about top surgery,

    here is an education video about the procedures from a doctor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHwKOto7J3k

    and some op show and tell:
    *http://www.youtube.com/user/transguys#g/a

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  61. Dirt,

    John Money managed to cover up the David Reimer case until the early 1990s.

    Jon Meyer worked within John Money's project, and nobody disputes that the project was bad medicine, just how. There was a lot of criticism of Meyer's study, not just from trans apologists, for the same problems which plague most studies of treanssexualism:

    "[Meyer's report] was the public reason for discontinuing the surgery, and it was accompanied by points of view to the contrary from other transsexual experts and apologists who disputed the study's methodology and small sample population and accused Meyer of drawing unwarrented conclusions."

    "It is my own hypothesis that other not-so-public reasons were also influential in the demise of the Johns Hopkin's program. ..."

    -Janice Raymond, Introduction to the 1994 Edition of The Transsexual Empire.

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  62. a channel about being trans and not taking hormorn. Very close to some of your ideas/post Dirt

    http://www.youtube.com/user/ClosetTransgender

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  63. There's a lot more to wanting to transition than having played with Tonka trucks or wearing "mens" clothes. I am a 35 year old FTM who just started injecting T within the last month. This decision was not made on a whim, it was made after years and years of hard thought, overcoming an alcohol problem, completing college and grad school, and having a successful career. Transitioning isn't my life; I have great supportive friends, a lovely dog, and the means to keep myself in a comfortable lifestyle.

    My desire to transition wasn't based on Tonka trucks. It wasn't based on black and white thinking about the man/woman dichotomy. I do not want to be a "man" such as the ones you describe here: smelly bald apes who rape women. My friends would say that I'm an unusually kind and courteous person. I'm the guy who gets the groceries down off the top shelf for adorable little old ladies and walks away feeling fulfilled.

    I want to transition because I feel like I'm somewhere in the middle of the gender binary. I've identified as a butch dyke since I was about 16, but I've envied the male body since before that. I don't want the trappings of male privilege (in fact I'm a feminist and will remain so). I want to be ME, but I want the body that looks like what I've always thought it should look like: I want a beard, I want to look like the men in my family (big hairy muscley beasts with hearts of gold). I simply want to start from the place of a male BODY, inhabited by a feminist genderqueer with a rich life who doesn't intentionally ever hurt anyone.

    If I could take a pill that cured my feelings? No, I wouldn't take it. I want to look like a man. It's as simple as that.

    (con't)

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  64. I just wanted to say that I appreciate Hate Sucks, Evan, Alexander(the same one again), Jr, and the other transsexuals who on here who are interested in discussion and have valuable things to say.I do believe that you are actually transsexual and not changing for societal reasons. I appreciate any transsexual who has put thought into the issues put by this blog and have not simply dismissed the entire thing as "hate".

    One of the most disturbing things to me about the trenders is the idea that if I really am something, I would be happy to think of myself that way and I would be comfortable. What happened to learning to accept yourself? Why do they think comfort with who you are comes automatically?

    You have to build it in yourself daily especially if you realize are not like other women or not like other men because society will make it a priority to tear you down. A few transmen have acknowledged they are treated MUCH better now that they are seen as men and not butches. I am not a butch because it makes me comfortable or happy I am a butch because it is what I am. I am female and I'm masculine.

    I am just starting to have positive feelings for my body. It comes faster for some than for others. It's not an overnight thing.

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  65. "as they see how well the trans trenders respond to talk therapy and mild anti depressants. "

    So basically you're suggesting swapping one drug for another. Yeah, that makes sense (not).

    There's no such thing as a "mild" anti depressant. They are each as dangerous as the other in terms of side effects and all proven not to work on depression any better than placebo.

    Is this really your best suggestion for transgenders? Pretty lame if so.

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  66. I think, with regard to the "trans trend," that what's really going on is something like what happened when the gay rights movement (which I know began much earlier, with Stonewall, Harvey Milk, etc.) actually gained some modicum of acceptance. Suddenly everyone was gay and it was a "fad" to look cool like a lesbian - straight fashion models were wearing suits and ties, and every college girl identified as bi and slept with a woman at least once. But it wasn't that suddenly everyone was gay; it was that, because of the heroes who came before us, it became easier (at least in big cities and liberal areas) to come out, so lots of people who might not have come out did so.

    The so-called "trans fad" seems very like that to me. Everyone isn't suddenly trans; transness has reached a level of social acceptance (with public role models and positively written news articles). Hence, those who might not have come out as trans are seeing that it's a possiblity that resonates with them. I didn't even know you could transition FTM until my mid-20's, and it took me this long to think and grapple with the idea.

    Anyway, my two cents.

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  67. I agree, most likely those studies were flawed. Thats the things with trans studies, they are all flawed. When science relies on mentally disordered SUBJECTIVE subjects for OBJECTIVE facts, there are ALWAYS going to be flaws.

    Its no different than trying to study BDD or BIID folks, they will ALWAYS tell the doctors what they believe will get them what they THINK they want.

    The fact is if trans were so happy, there wouldnt be a single one whose ever heard of "dirt" let alone go out of their way to silence "dirt".

    Last I checked, out of the black folks I'm friends with and have known through the years, not a one spends one ounce of energy worrying about what the KKK is up to or thinks of them.

    And the Jews I know, same. Dont know any who spend their precious time worrying about what the white aryan nation thinks of them.

    If you are what you are, then you are. You need no justification, OR drugs or surgeries to be you, and you certainly could give a fuck what anyone else thought!

    The trans community however looks to everyone as mirror and if we do not reflect back the distorted image they hold of themselves, then we're the devil, we're transphobes, we're nazis, we hate them...blah...blah...blah.

    Every trans person that comments on this blog, reads this blog, and knows about this blog, PROVES trans doesnt really exist without the help from junk science!

    dirt

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  68. "Every trans person that comments on this blog, reads this blog, and knows about this blog, PROVES trans doesnt really exist without the help from junk science!"

    That's about as accurate as saying that a Butch dressed in men's clothing is PROOF that Butches secretly desire to be men. And how proud you must feel to compare yourself to the KKK and the Aryan Nation. Wow.
    I only came to this blog because someone else pointed it out to me and I had hoped to heal the fractured social relationship between two communities under the GLBTQIA umbrella. And because I am a trans-educator who is always concerned about the young people in this community being invalidated. But I realize that yours is just one hateful voice spreading a skewed, prejudiced message and that there are far more people out there spreading messages of love and tolerance and respect and I will continue to work within the community as well as with the general public and not let people like myself be made invisible by invisible people like you.
    So no need to waste your precious time replying TO me, because I won't continue to read your propaganda. I will spend my time delivering a message of truth and respect and tolerance on my own blog.

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  69. There tens of thousands in the last 20 years of sufferers from BDD, who were successfully treated with therapy and mild anti-depressants for a short period of time.

    Anti-depressants that have had large numbers of volunteers and are long term studies.

    NONE of which can be said of "synthetic testosterone". We know female bodied "men" have died of cancer linked to "T", just how many? We dont know. That information rarely makes it beyond the trans gatekeepers. Those with this disorder would rather other die than risk actually being safely helped themselves.

    If that isnt the honest truth, lets see every major trans website, forum, community, open their doors to us!

    dirt

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  70. Regarding the dismissing of the "tonka truck" theory of transgenderism, what are YOU doing then to change the current changes made to the DSM that will go into effect in 2013?

    Because thats EXACTLY what those changes entail.

    dirt

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  71. I wonder how many children HateSucks will induce to commit suicide by promoting the philosophy that biologic sex is a disorder, and that gender traits are biologically determined.
    Another reason people like HateSucks flock to this blog is that unlike other populations, trans people like HateSucks are actively recruiting and proselytizing their biologic essentialist gender philosophy. That is, the idea that gender is tied to one's physical sex. Like many Christians, their faith is only strong when they are convincing others. Their testimonials are a form of self-selling, one their self image is dependent on.

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  72. @C- Thank you for answering the question (about whether you want there to be a cure for transsexualism).

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  73. If testosterone doesn't have long term studies then how can you say you know that female bodied men have died from cancer linked to T. That doesn't make sense.

    Remember that studies on psychiatric pharmaceuticals are done by the companies that make and sell them, so there is a huge conflict of interest there to produce results that are in their favor.

    Disinterested third party studies have shown that anti depressants are placebos at best and possibly harmful placebos at worst, so I don't see how that is a better option.

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  74. Dirt wrote: "Actually there is no real proof (other than the say so of "trans" themselves-highly unreliable) that trans isnt anything more than a disorder. There is also no proof that the current barbarism called "treatment" cures trans issues long term. Trans folks like any drug addict will say whatever they believe they have to to maintain a trans lifestyle."

    In that case there is no real proof homosexuality or any other sexuality exist.

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  75. (Not for publication)
    FYI Dirt here is hate sucks blog:
    http://masterofmyowndestiny.blogspot.com/2010/11/more-rampant-transphobia.html

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  76. I found the first comment by Hate Sucks @ 8:40 am to be very interesting. Hate Sucks is expressing a concern about the current trend towards transition for young people- a "Cool thing to do", and that part of this is due to the changing of the standards of care, and Hate Sucks is finding it to be criminal that "virtually anyone can walk into a Dr's office now and walk back out with a script for hormones." Wow.

    You know, I have looked into the trans thing for quite some time, for a number of reasons. First of all, some of my friends and people I knew in the dyke community "transitioned". Then, in the 90's, I was noticing how often that women who went the FTM route were people who were quite similar to myself, and what was the difference between me and them, that they decided to seek hormones and surgery, and I didn't? Now that's what I'd like to see some research into: why some people who are non-gender-conforming seek sex changes, and why others do not. I have a few insights into that- perhaps I'll share them more on that sometime.

    I have read a number of books like "Becoming a Visible Man", "The Testosterone Files" (books by FTM's) and "Gender Outlaw" (which was by a MTF). The question that remains unanswered is, why not express yourself in the body that you are born with, why not just be yourself?

    I became interested in the subject of transsexuality again recently because our teenage daughter was showing interest in the FTM trend, mainly because of Yaoi (Japanese manga & anime with gay male themes) and a desire to be cutting-edge and different.

    Maybe there are a few rare individuals for whom this really is the only viable solution - there is that small possibility, although personally I'm not convinced of that. To me it seems to be much more about a society that is hostile to those of us who do not fit the gender stereotypes and about our internalizing that, and about body dysphoria issues.

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  77. I don't think trans identity is biological. I think it is socially constructed. I feel the same way about gender and sexuality. But don't confused socially constructed with choice.

    So in regards to the whole cure portion of this argument - I think there are plenty of trans people who if somehow there was a cure they would take the opportunity to live comfortable/happily in their birth body. But to cure this, one would have to change the entire socialization process and way in which we view gender, actually I would challenge we have to eradicate gender all together or at least the binary system. I don't agree with much of what Dirt says but I do agree that trans identity is the result of constraining gender categories. BUT given the world we live in built on heteronormativity and binaries this abolishment of the binary just isn't in the near future. I suggest that trans people are actually a step in the process of challenging this binary because they challenge the essentialist notion that biology is destiny - regardless of medical or non medical transition. I am an ally and partner of a trans person and I think you are looking at this from the wrong perspective Dirt. Trans identity is moving towards allowing female born people to express any gender along the spectrum, as well as male born of course. Of course you can argue that the fact a trans person changes their entire body to fit social definitions of man and female contradicts this all. But I don’t think that is the case. I think many MTF are socially forced into transition this way because of the stigma and the fetishes that surrounds their gender identity – ultimately to pass and avoid social stigma this is mandatory, but many MTF’s in other cultures don’t medically transition because their cultures view trans femininity differently. In regards to FTM, many don’t change their bodies completely and what they do change is a direct result of passing, (ie if using male pronouns and having breast was socially acceptable then maybe top dysphoria would decrease and as would top surgery.

    Now, I will say that I say this all beyond this trans trend you speak of which I've only started to observe recently. I can't comment on it much but I do feel that this is only a small portion of the ftm community.

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  78. Yes transsexuality does exist. I feel there are a select few with it. I know because I know of 2.

    However most that are on YouTube, ftm boards etc are not of this variety.

    Having a disorder that entails a person to be born in the wrong vendetta body means they will refuse to share their body with the world and not have it all over the Internet, blogs, YouTube, and have hundreds if not more people aware.

    And instead of finding out ways online of how to get testosterone and bullshitting to psychiatrists, how about they learn about themselves.

    But no that's too hard.

    ~M

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  79. There is a lot of misconception about anti-depressants in the comments here.

    For one thing, they are most definitely not "all the same." All of them have potential side effects, yes, but those side effects are very different and the rate at which people experience them are different. Newer drugs tend to have a lot less side effects from older drugs, such as lithium, that have side effects for nearly everyone who takes them, sometimes very debilitating and even life-threatening side effects.

    Another is the idea that they have no effect other than placebo. I did read a recent study that suggested that, but there are many studies that say otherwise, so at best more research is needed to determine the actual vs. placebo effect of these meds. In my own personal experience of taking Lexapro, I know for sure it's not a placebo effect. How do I know? Because I use those weekly pill box things to keep track of my meds, and not once but TWICE now in the course of the year I've been on it forgotten to put the lexapro in the pill box. By about day three or four, BOTH times, I was feeling way more anxious and started worrying that the Lexapro wasn't working anymore. Lo and behold, both times I discovered that I hadn't been taking it. So at least for ME (and surely others) this particular med has more than a placebo effect. Because I DID think I was taking it, when I was in fact not, and felt a difference.

    And as Dirt has already pointed out, it's ridiculous to compare meds that have undergone rigorous clinical trials to T which has not. Which is, in fact, in the midst of a great clinical trial that no one seems to be keeping track of and informed consent is absent from.

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  80. There are long term studies of females, PCOS and cancer.

    I suppose those like Robert Eads, developed cancer in a vacuum, certainly couldnt have had anything to do with years of a drug given at a dose no natural to their body. NAH!

    dirt

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  81. And yeah, the "dirt should be raped" comments, sorry. The IP's ascociated with the comment and the comment itself go directly to the IC3, they will not be posted. So save them and your ass the trouble of trying to post them.

    dirt

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  82. Am I the only one who find it curious that "hate sucks" would have blog called "masterofmyowndestiny", while she is at the mercy of the medical community for her entire "male" identity?

    If you require drugs for your identity, drugs that must be given a script for and then purchased from a chemist, you really in the drivers seat.

    And before someone yells "hater", save it, merely pointing out the facts and realities. Think, if you will, that I am Plath's Mirror.

    dirt

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  83. Dyke Mom: Well said! Your posts are always top-notch

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  84. At least she calls it "Extrospection".
    She certainly lacks any Introspection.
    Or analysis.
    But why promote her bullshit here...

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  85. To Saleh, just because something is a placebo for it's intended use does not mean it's inert.

    What you experienced was a withdrawal effect, which is very real and very common with anti depressants.

    They are physically addictive and when you try to get off they create more problems than why you went on in the first place. This happens even in the short term. It's so common the FDA has forced manufacturers to add warning labels to those drugs.

    It's best not to even get started on them because they are dangerous to your health and this is the exact same argument Dirt makes about testosterone, yet she suggests replacing one for the other of the same thing for trans people!

    So apparently certain types of harm are more acceptable to her. I guess as long as you accept your biological sex as your gender destiny it doesn't matter what kind of harm you do to yourself in her mind. Seems more than a little hypocritical (and crazy) to me.

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  86. " I think you are looking at this from the wrong perspective Dirt. Trans identity is moving towards allowing female born people to express any gender along the spectrum, as well as male born of course. Of course you can argue that the fact a trans person changes their entire body to fit social definitions of man and female contradicts this all."
    --------------------
    Yes. That's what I argue. Trans are the opposite of detaching gendered behaviors from biology. They are the slaves of gender, not the emancipators.

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  87. Dirt,

    I've been following your blog daily over the past week, and as I keep going back to older posts I'm bound to eventually read the whole thing. I came over from a radfem blog after reading a few posts on the trans subject. My only contact with it was 7 years ago while I was getting my BA in Canada - one of my profs was an MtF (transitioned after he raised his kids, in his late 40s). I never came in contact with trans people again after I returned home (I'm from a small country in the Balkans where sex reassignment surgery, even though we know of it, is not yet being practised). However, since I'd gotten really fond of Oiliva (my prof), for years I was very eager to view trans surgery as social progress, a way to help people. Prior to reading what you had to say, it had never occurred to me it's got a (very) dark side to it (from internalized misogyny to doing it because it's mutated into a trend, not to mention the negative side effects of T plus regretting your decision later and not being able to go back). I have to say I've come really close to totally revising my position. There's something a friend of mine pointed out while I was discussing the subject with her today though that I'd like you to comment on, if you don't mind. I'm trying to be as fair as possible in deciding where I stand, and if her point is valid, that would make a difference. She said that, basically, there are measurable differences between the female brain and the male brain, something to do with how the right and the left hemispheres interact in each sex, and that it's been established a transman does indeed have "a male brain" in his otherwise female body (and vice versa for transwomen). Which, she says, means that "although there most likely are many people who are transitioning for all the wrong reasons, there are also those who really were born in the wrong body so we can't just view everyone as a self-hater or a fetishist". I haven't researched the claim about there being "scientific, measurable evidence female/male brains sometimes get born in the wrong body" yet and am off to do that. If you've already read up on this though, could you maybe do a post on what your position is, or link to the old post in case you did one earlier that I'm yet to get to?

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  88. I don't know if my previous comment (where I asked about your position on "male brains being born in female bodies and vice versa" and on there being "measurable evidence" for this) even went through, I got an "URL too long" error msg from Google. In case it did go through - I posted it before reading the other comments here as I was anxious to ask your opinion. I now notice some people have actually posted links to articles dealing with the brain & sex at birth dilemma which I'm now loading. Apologies if you feel the request in my first comment is redundant.

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  89. Sigh...using one hemisphere or both has not much to do with being male or female, and even this is steeped in junk science. Ideally females use both more because of bigger corpus callosum on average but studies keep contradicting each other (some actually show men have bigger corpi). They say that scientists mainly use the left part, artists the right-but the greatests of scientists were also a bit of an artist and vice-versa (in their own fields).
    About the brain theory of transsexuality, you can check my blog, last topic, my last comment. It's long and it's got links.

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  90. http://neuroanthropology.net/2008/03/28/neurosexism-size-dimorphism-and-not-so-hard-wiring/

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  91. I believe if you were trying to help trans-youth, or as you put it "young women" you would not go on the offensive and attack their core beliefs and identity.

    If these children really are being mislead by an evil government and medical community, I think it would be more productive to approach them with respect, tolerance, and understanding.

    Rather than calling us "she" "women" "girls" "ladies" etc, address us as we identify, as we prefer to be. Then maybe you will be better received as someone trying to 'help' us and our community.

    Thank you!.

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  92. http://www.annelawrence.com/twr/brain-sex_critique.html

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  93. "And that it's been established a transman does indeed have "a male brain" in his otherwise female body (and vice versa for transwomen). "

    Please can we stop with this bullshit ? Do I have to tell that I have a male brain as an excuse because I don't like what the society defines as girlie stuff ? because I am a plane pilot and an engineer ? because I was raised like a boy by my father ? I don't need to provide you explanations to apology for the activities I like and not...
    Hence, I am very feminine and the first person who threatens my boobs I kill him/her.
    All those bullshit about brain male or female are non sense.
    It is just post explanation for people who are incomfortable with themselves and have already lost the fight to gender roles and can't love themselves how they are whatever the fluidity or apparent conflict between their outer and their inside...
    I have this conflict and I know people are surprised when they see someone so feminine and so bossy but it is their dysphoria not mine. T
    hey have to adapt to me, I don't have to adapt to their narrow mind/binary allocation of gender roles/spaces and activities. And certainly not to adapt by taking T or cutting off my breast...
    Period.
    You don't need to be a transmale to have balls girls. Live for yourself. Be a male in a woman body. Don't feel trapped. They are trapped the people who judge you because you are different. And be happy. No need for T or surgery for that. Just be free ;)

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  94. @Jiji

    " and that it's been established a transman does indeed have "a male brain" in his otherwise female body"-

    That's true.
    But it comes from taking hormones. It changes parts of the brain. When a woman takes T her brain will be more of that of a man.

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  95. Jiji,

    Brain studies are in their infancy, its about like cancer treatment in the 1400s.

    These studies never involve large numbers of both gay and straight women who are at varying places on the feminine scale, who work at varying degree in jobs, education etc.

    There are whole slews of females who are very spatially adept, in all likelihood their brains would be considered "male" or "masculine", women who never felt "born in the wrong body", women whose brains simply functions somewhat differently then other womens.

    There is no "trans" brain before drugs. If there were a trans brain, there drugs and surgeries would be unnecessary.

    dirt

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  96. []There is no "trans" brain before drugs. If there were a trans brain, there drugs and surgeries would be unnecessary.

    dirt[]


    I have never been on hormones and have been living (openly and full time) as male for the last 6 years of my 25 years of life. I would have before then, seeing as I felt the same way from early childhood.


    I feel no need for hormones. Hormones would be (for me at least) conforming to the standard of what is male in society. I want to be an extraordinary man, not an ordinary man. I also would never go stealth from the trans community. Gays can't go "stealth" and live among "normal society" So why would I? I want to look like a trans-gendered individual.


    I don't need drugs or surgery to know I am a man. I have learned to be proud to be trans, so going on T would only be to convince others of my identity, not myself or my partner.. If I went 'stealth' I'd never meet the amazingly accepting, tolerant people I have in my life!


    In my opinion, as long as you're not hurting yourself or others, you should live your life in the most comfortable way you can, the most productive way you can. The most loving, understanding and open way you can. Don't dismiss people for living as they feel most comfortable. If a male bodied individual wants to be called a she, by golly, call them a she. As long as they're happy and it's not hurting anyone.

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  97. Anon @ 3:14

    It's impossible to say whether what I was experiencing was withdrawal. It would be quite fascinating if I was, actually, given that after several days off of it I felt exactly the same as I felt before going on the Lexapro.

    Addiction is not a clinical term, it is a lay term, so I'm not sure what you mean by it.

    Clinical terms to describe what many use "addiction" to mean are chemical abuse and chemical dependency, each with a unique set of diagnostic criteria. While withdrawal symptoms are one of five diagnostic criteria for chemical dependency, three of the five need to be met, and with normal use of anti-depressants, that would not be the case. (FYI, here's one link that lists the diagnostic criteria for dependency: http://jayam.co.in/wisdom/diagnostic.html)

    So what you call and "addiction" another might call "healing." In my case, I'm using Lexapro to keep my anxiety under control while I work with a therapist on some extremely intense PTSD. I have no plan to be on it indefinitely but it is allowing me to do work that panic attacks would be preventing me from doing otherwise.

    Not that that's any of your business, or anyone else's, but I'm saying this as one illustration of how using anti-depressants is SO not comparable to synthetic T. I'm using it temporarily to help me to really get to the root of my psychological distress in pursuit of healing and wholeness. I am not using it like trans people do, to AVOID addressing the root of their psychological distress. I'm taking it temporarily as a way to get past the symptoms of PTSD long enough to find true healing and wholeness. I'm not relying on it for the rest of my life as a crutch to prop up who I want to "identify" as.

    For the record, I'm against throwing anti-depressants at problems as a first course of action as well. I do think it is problematic that society's answer to the distress of marginalized groups is drugs instead of social change. But that still doesn't make anti-depressants and T comparable--in fact, it just reinforces the point that medicalizing the problem of Trans is also the wrong solution.

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  98. Anon@5:42

    I passed as "male" 40 of my 43 years nearly 100% of the time. So I'm not sure if I see your point. I like you, are still 100% female.

    dirt

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  99. Dirt, I just noticed that you changed the "love it/hate it" to "agree with/disagree with" and I think that's great. I was finding it really depressing that people were clicking "hate it" on some of the heartfelt and vulnerable posts that you've made recently about rape threats, reposts about your experience being butch, etc.

    It leaves me with such a bad taste in my mouth that people would be so hateful, so lacking in compassion, to click "hate it" on such posts.

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  100. I've been called a hypocrite for disagreeing with the idea of transgender because I'm a woman who shares my life with a woman. I've been told "Don't judge!" by angry people. I think if we weren't so trained to public political correctness that transgender people would likely be surprised at how many people are uncomfortable with what they're doing.

    And I don't believe anything about it--not the Gender Identity Disorder nor its treatment. Hasn't anyone ever heard "Wherever you go, there you are"?

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  101. Thanks to all who answered my question - it did help.

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  102. Turning gay after Testosterone

    Dear Dirt, you mentionned that point briefly but do you plan to do a whole post on Trans who turns gay after testo ? If we refer them as woman (and not transmale) and not male, can we say that testo "cures" homosexuality and makes those previously lesbian woman now straight woman ? Is-it better to be lesbo or gay ? And how the T interacts with the LGB : T->G or T->B or T-> Straight ?

    Here is video on the topic:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcvpgLsZ-Ow

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  103. I myself was the only female in a male only class (in a scientifically addressed school). I was also the only female in my institute to have been selected for a physics contest (the other 10 were all male). I have no problem imagining cubes rotating and 3d thinking comes pretty natural to me, I have a good sense of orientation, I park perfectly...and all those things I thought were due to my "male brain". No, it's just a (maybe atypical) female brain.

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  104. Notebook, social transition is what I was arguing for if transsexuality is proven valid. I think that if there really can be a male brain in a female body or vice-versa then they can stay the way they were born without dangerous hormones and surgeries. That would be a pretty unique experience.

    My 2 unreliable cents on antidepressants: why do people who feel depressed before taking them usually keep taking them forever at always bigger doses and feel even more down when they stop them (my chronically depressed aunt)? Why can they kill at large doses?
    I took a very mild one when I was depressed for gender reasons, but I think it did absolutely nothing and had no withdrawal symptoms thankfully. The depression had everything to do with my gender and it went away only when I eradicated the root cause.
    I also am uneasy with the use of medicinals in treating mental distresses instead of talking therapy. I feel psychiatry has not done much good to the world and anyway they charge exorbitant fees, I can see why psychiatrists'd be happy to have perpetually depressed patients, or gender-swapping ones: $$$!

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  105. To all the ftms reading this, here is the bottom line:

    vagina = female

    penis = male

    look between your legs, what do you see?

    TA-DAH! you've got your answer, now deal with it.

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  106. Hate Sucks, you are not very good at analogies. You also seem to think that anyone who doesn't fall into line with your beliefs is hateful. You wanted something from the author and the readers of this blog, you didn't get it, and now you're pissed.

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  107. Dirt, you said:

    And the Jews I know, same. Dont know any who spend their precious time worrying about what the white aryan nation thinks of them.

    I guess you've never heard of the JDL...

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  108. Dirt as a man born with female genitalia i am praying for a "fucking cure" the mental torment i deal with daily is unbelieveable... by the way iam paying for ALL my surgeries which i work for the money i am NOT recieving a hand out, i am NOT American, the amount of time/therapy has been astronomical, i am NOT 25 how ever i saught help for this spicific condition at 20 and started HRT at 23 1/2... do i wish this on any one NO, i have given up all rights to be a parent i have NOT frozen egg's for the risk of continuing this condition in my blood line.. i see my gender phsycitatrist every 3 months to ensure i HAVENT changed my mind, my family HAVE been involved with the doctors, at doctors request. NOT ALL medical proffessionals take "advantage" of this "so called trend".... THESE ARE FACTS... im not asking you to stop your blog i ask you to try and understand/respect that some of us go through these struggles every day, just like you go through your struggles surviving as a 'masculine/butch' women who identifies as a lesbian i would NEVER dream of down grading those struggles you deal with daily, i would also never ask/expect to enter a womens only center/service or lesbian space. to me that would be disrespecting what women need... the feminine movement fought for EQUALITY and as a MAN i would NEVER see my self as superior to a women.

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  109. hi there,
    I just came into your blog for the first time and I am a bit overwhelmed. my first reaction was: oh my terrible transphobia! but after reading a bit and facing my (hard) feelings I have to say that I appreciate your honesty.
    I decided to stop identifying as trans lately. it is the end of a long process and I feel a bit lost, because the trans community was my home for the past years. I was on testosterone for two years, had my breasts removed and lived as a man for about a year. and it gradually broke my heart.I had nobody to talk to about my feelings and wanting to "go back" to where I feel I belong, about the regret, and how the hell am I going to live with this body. I find great comfort in talking with women who had breast cancer and surgery because the feeling of the loss is quite similar (although the circumstences very different). I can't share these feelings within the trans community - they seem transphobic, and they think I am, or was, some kind of a mentally-ill person. well, the trouth is that I was in great pain and confussion and couldn't find the support I needed. I still can't. but I feel stronger now, and know what I want and where I belong, gender-wise anyway. I recently bought silicone breasts (although I hardly weat them it's good to know they're there), and I wax my face and neck and chest in order to pass as female. I still pass as a guy sometimes but no more than some other butches I guess. anyway, I wanted to say thank you and I will sure be coming here again. and last thing - I don't know if you bear in mind that people who transitioned and regret it might read your blog. the bluntness can hurt. not because what you say is not true, but because it hits soft spots and can be emotionally difficult to deal with. I wouldn't want to feel hated buy those who disagree with my past. I'd rather feel supported and welcomed and empowered.
    bye for now.
    K

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  110. Anonymous K @ November 16, 2010 7:06 PM, I just read your comment, and I certainly hope you find support. Maybe there is a feminist therapist in your area, hopefully someone who is familiar with these issues. Or maybe there is a group that deals with grief and loss type issues- I hear a lot of that in what you are saying. I suspect that with the large numbers of women who have jumped on the trans bandwagon in the past couple of decades, there are more out there who are in your situation. And there will probably be more as we go forward, unfortunately. When you read this blog (or pretty much anything else on the internet), you'll be seeing comments by all kinds of different people with different perspectives, so take what you need and leave the rest. You might want to take a look at the blog by Bluetraveler also- I think there is some writing there that you might find relevant. If you do a google search on "detransitioning" I think you'll find some info too; again, it's a matter of sifting through the internet to find what you're looking for. Thank you for sharing your experience.

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  111. K- I agree with what DM said. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. And Welcome.

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