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  1. A comment left this morning:

    I didn't see a place to comment on your other blog about transmen and rape but I wanted not only you to see this, but others as well.

    A few years ago, I was violently raped by a transman. Yes, you heard me right, A TransMan. He was angry at me for something I didn't do and took it to the fullest extreme by raping me with a weapon, shattering my soul in the process. I only found out recently he has gone back to identifying as a lesbian. He never started transitioning either.

    To threaten someone with rape or wish rape upon them is an evil thing! Nobody deserves to be raped by anyone!

    For those who wish rape upon others, remember, karma comes back to you. If you think it's funny to tell someone they should be raped, then you aren't really a man are you?

    A DECENT man does not wish rape upon anyone NOR does he act upon it.

    Guess those of you who are wishing rape upon a woman who is openly expressing HER opinion aren't really men, are you?

    I hope this response was OK to post on here. Feel free to move it if you would like.

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  2. Your rape article is lacking some basic background information like name/story of FTM rapist.

    Remember that the photographer Kael T Block (the one who does the XXboys project (http://www.xxboys.net/) is certainly the most famous FTM serial rapist (just google him "kael t block rape" or "kael t block rapist") :

    http://brownstargirl.blog.friendster.com/2006/08/lexs-statement/
    http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0711/msg00049.html
    http://cekilfosavoir.centerblog.net/2805042-Sexual-Predator-in-the-SF-DykeFTM-Scene

    Among 50 other testimonials...

    He raped several women and he is still free because the FTM community supports him and his rapes...

    If he were a bio-male, he would have been jailed already...

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  3. About the novel called "Kael T Block the rapist", he did a website if you are interested Dirt :
    http://guilty-by-nature.blogspot.com/

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  4. You know women rape too!! I was date raped by a lesbian I met at Mamma Bears in Oakland years ago. And the worst of it was I was not able to prosecute her. She was a probation officer to boot. Rape is rape and it is always wrong. I am sure all genders and gender orientations have raped, but I am equally as sure not all within any gender are rapists. And I am not ftm..

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  5. Not every transman is like that. You can't judge us all because of one incident or because of what a couple people did.

    I sure as hell don't judge a community of people by what someone did. Hell, should I be racist because my aunt was married to a black man and he beat the shit out of her all the time? Should I hate all black people because of it? Certainly not!

    So, because you were raped by a tranman you now hate us all? That just makes no sense at all. One of my girlfriends beat me up when I was 17 so should I hate woman or just lesbians? That shit just makes no sense at all.

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  6. Dear Anon who ASSUMES I hate Transmen because I was raped by one:

    I don't see anywhere in my posting where I stated I HATE transmen.

    I simply said that rape is an evil act and should never be wished upon anyone.

    Rape is vile and cruel. It destroys your soul. You don't know who to trust anymore. Your best friend becomes your worst enemy. It hurts even more when you are madly in love with your rapist. I was in love with this person and this is the thanks that I get for loving them?

    As far as your comment about being racist, you are comparing apples to oranges. What the heck does race have to do with transmen and rape?

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  7. @Anon of 11:50 AM, when I browse YouTube, I see at least 20 videos targeting Dirt and very agressive.

    Still on Youtube, when I do a search on "Kael T Block", the only videos I see are self-promotion video of the rapist-photographer...

    On Facebook, the XXboys page has 5333 fans (as for today) so 5333 people among them 95% of FTM around the world (and some queer ladies ;) who support a rapist...

    So how should I not judge a community when such a community support so heavily a rapist ?

    I will believe you when trans people will do at least as many video against this rapist as they do against Dirt.

    I will believe you when each poster FTM will state loud and clear that the trans community does not back-up or support the rapist Kael T Block....

    And don't tell me he is a great photographer...

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  8. The reality of the trans-community

    The trans-community is a group of sissy fashion models. You can't expect from them to do meaningful actions like activism against a FTM rapist. Whatever maybe the horror, whatever their community's member will have done, they will support the Tguy. It is a cult and cult members do awful things in the name of their cult.

    Like raping dyke and tell they have the privileges to do it...

    So it is better to remove the T and still keep the LGB. I don't support myself cult-like organisation who back-up and celebrate rapists.

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  9. You said: "The seething anger and sheer hatred this community or at least those representing the trans community hold towards women and specifically lesbians, anger and hatred that has now become very public, in the form of comments, blog posts and videos."
    How is this any different than the seething anger and hatred you show towards not only the Trans community, but to men in general? You talk about misogyny a lot but what about the misandry that you display? Not all men are rapists, imperialists and assholes. There are good men, I was raised by a man more kindhearted and compassionate than a lot of women I have known. There are bad women out there. There are women who rape. I have read about Butches who rape. Meanness, dishonesty, and evil aren't gender specific.

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  10. LMFAO!!!! The transgender community is a cult...ROFLMFAO!!!! What rock did you crawl out from under? The reality of the trans community? Alrighty then!

    Sissy fashion models? Okay! Now I have heard it all. Maybe you wish you could look as hot as one of those transguys. Only in your dreams sweetheart.

    Just because Kael T. Block is an asshole doesn't make the whole trans community bad. An ex dyke friend of mine raped my friend's sister and got away with it. I guess I should hate the whole dyke community now huh? Maybe the L should be taken out of LGBT sice there are dyke rapists. Maybe take out the G because there are gay rapists....hell why not drop all of it and say fuck the whole community?

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  11. I agree with you. Not all men are assholes and rapists. I know of a whole lot of butch dykes that are just mean and nasty. I'm not gonna judge all butch dykes because of the ones I know are ignorant trash. The ones I know all they do is cheat on their girlfriends, lie, and think they are better than everyone because they are big bad butch dykes.

    Not every trans guy or bio guy is an asshole.

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  12. You know... using your reasoning... I could say that I hate all Butches because some of them are hate mongers themselves. But I realize that there are wonderful strong Butches out there who are confident enough in who they are, not to have to tear other people down to build themselves up.

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  13. It's in fashion to be trans (although I think it's just about peaked out.) FtM's are kind of sissys since they spend so much time fussing around with their bodies, necessary gear, generally being insecure, boasting about their 2 inch clits, etc. Still I don't think they should be kicked out of the LGBT community, but I do think that if they really kid themselves that they are men, they shouldn't be in Lesbian space.

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  14. You would be insecure too if you were trans. Obviously you are insecure to bash the trans community because there's nothing good you can say about yourself.

    Oh and by the way, being trans is not a fashion. Is being butch a fashion?

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  15. TO ANONYMOUS:
    "It's in fashion to be trans (although I think it's just about peaked out.)"
    Really? Isn't being Butch about the right fashion then? THE Butch haircuts, tailored clothes, shoes/boots, etc? You could call any group of people a fashion really.

    "FtM's are kind of sissys since they spend so much time fussing around with their bodies, necessary gear, generally being insecure, boasting about their 2 inch clits, etc."
    FTM here - 12+ years post op - and I fuss less over my looks than the Lesbian friends I have. I don't know what "gear" you're talking about - and I don't boast about my genitals, lol. Matter of fact, none of the Transmen I know (and I know A LOT) ever boast about their genitals. Funny.
    "Still I don't think they should be kicked out of the LGBT community, but I do think that if they really kid themselves that they are men, they shouldn't be in Lesbian space."
    Good luck "kicking them out" - the T is there, has been, will continue to be. We ARE part of the community whether you like us or not.
    The only thing we are close to being in agreement on is that Transmen ideally shouldn't be in a womens only space, school, event, etc.
    Educate yourselves a bit more people - prior to berating an entire community of people based on a few bad apples. Your ignorance is really showing.

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  16. Alexander (same one again)November 5, 2010 at 1:45 PM

    As a trans man, hell, as a person, I completely despise rape. I've been open about how despicable Block is, and I remember incidents where trans men have pushed to have exhibitions involving him cancelled. Please don't tar us all with the same brush, I was raped (by a cis man)and regardless of the fact that I disagree with large parts of what you say (and agree with others) I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Ever. I think anyone who would is a fucking horrible person quite frankly. The third paragraph in: http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2010/11/transmen-trans-community-and-rape.html was really powerful.
    I've not made any videos regarding you in any way, but rest assured, even some of the things you've said that I've interpreted in the most vitrolic way aren't nearly as bad as advocating rape.

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  17. I think the point is that "trans" as the latest fashion is very different/dangerous compared to all the others (androgenous, butch, etc.) since it's not about a haircut, tatoo, whatever, but people really permanently fucking themselves all up.

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  18. "XXboys page has 5333 fans"

    Yes almost 5333 transmale support Kael T Block the rapist in the name of art and because some "transguys are hot"...

    Probably the angry and rude commenters above are fan of xxboys

    Those 5333 fans (among them a lot of poster transguys) are the living proof this T community is made of selfish violent bastards who do not even have the balls to open their mouth publicly against a rapist and support violence towards women...

    5333 FTM (and we can all see publicly their names) say yes to violence in the name of art...

    Yes the T has nothing to do with the LGB...Your values are closer to the ones of NRA and the KKK...

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  19. I am a Transman.
    I do not support, nor follow XXBoys or Kael T Block.
    I think rapists should be locked up for the rest of their lives.
    I have been on T for over 12 years.
    I do not see it as fashion
    I have never physically or emotionally or otherwise abused ANYONE
    I have never had anger issues
    I have not "fucked my body up"
    Lesbians don't need to hate the Trans community to validate their own.

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  20. FtM's often seem to want to compete with Lesbians, especially Butches. I wonder why. Any way you look at it, they just don't qualify as Butch.

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  21. "Lesbians don't need to hate the Trans community to validate their own."

    There is nothing like the Trans community but the Trans cult

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  22. Kael T Block is the greatest embarassing secret of the Trans community ...

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  23. "FtM's often seem to want to compete with Lesbians, especially Butches. I wonder why. Any way you look at it, they just don't qualify as Butch."

    I don't think this is a very accurate assumption. I have never known another Transman who wanted to compete with Lesbians - and we are most certainly NOT Butches. That is my whole point... Transmen and Butches are not the same thing. I applaud strong Butch women and I have Butch friends that I admire and love dearly. The hatred is unnecessary, because if there could be an open, compassionate meeting of the minds, I think you would see that the two groups actually want much of the same. To be clearly defined as two completely separate entities. I don't like being called a Butch any more than any Butch I know wants to be called a man.

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  24. I'm a transman and I don't support Kael T. Block or XXBoys. I never have nor ever will.

    I also don't support rape by anyone whether they are FTM, gay, lesbian, or straight.

    I don't compete with any butch lesbian. Never have and never will! I have no NEED or DESIRE to compete with any butch.

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  25. I remember in MeikoEliasXavier's "Butch Lesbians Vs Tansmen" on YouTube it was clearly a question of who was more butch. This coming from a person who may be very nice, but still needs 3 male names. Not to mention the "chip-in" account for the removal of a patch of fat doctors missed in her initial breast-removal surgery. This tiny patch of fat, which wasn't visible on camera, bothered her so much that she couldn't wear her seatbelt. That's somebody who needs counseling.

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  26. Again... using one person to hate an entire community.
    I am a Transman - not a Butch, nor am I even all that butch! I am married to a strong feminist woman who def runs our household. I do the cooking and laundry.... butch? Hardly. Labels are ridiculous really. Stop using blanket opinions!

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  27. For YEARS, gay men have used the term butch as an adjective to describe themselves and each other. Are they competing with Butch lesbians too?

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  28. You know, there is a difference between saying "not all trans guys are assholes, a butch dyke I know did x, y, and z" and saying, "Hey, that transguy that raped the first commenter, and the transguys who have told Dirt she deserves to be raped don't represent my mentality and I abhor and distance myself from it."

    What you're doing is taking the focus off the bad behavior of some FTMs and saying "Hey, some dyke is bad too." What you're doing is circling the wagons. After Dirt received those messages, what happened but hundreds of posts from people claiming to be trans trash talking lesbians, some of them in violent, misogynistic language, and Dirt in particular, rather than saying, "As precious as my identity is to me, I can't get behind someone threatening to kill or rape someone for using her first amendment rights."

    As much as you might hate her for the stuff she posts, the way she makes fun of stuff or whatever, Dirt has never called for violence against a trans person or wished rape or death on them. Neither have her supporters on this blog. THAT is the difference.

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  29. Regarding lesbians and rape, please refer me to the site or videos where a lesbian or lesbians have wished someone to be rape or our right advocated rape. I will gladly post about them here.

    dirt

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  30. I'd like to see any videos of transguys threatening rape on any woman!!! If there are any I sure have not seen them!!!

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  31. First - I didn't see the comments from self-identified transguys abhoring and distancing themselves from the "rape" stuff, so I wanted to point out that I do see and recognize after posting my comment above.

    @ Anon 2:39:

    If there wasn't this sense of competition why the comments the other day about "stealing your (lesbians') women" and why the invasion of male identified trans people into things like "butch-femme.com" and other spaces, and why now is "butch / ftm" often included as one thing? Why is it that at this point, you can't log on to a site like butch-femme and say you are a lesbian femme or you prefer female identified buches (the fact that you have to USE this term on b-f.com says it all) without people getting all worked up about you "devaluing their identity" and so forth?

    This isn't to say that there aren't still lesbians in these sites (and that some of the women posing as "femmes" aren't a large part of the problem for both the ftms and the butches), I'm just saying if there was "no competition" then ftms and their lady friends would be content to distance themselves from the term "butch" and putting down butch women.

    Now maybe those "male identified butches" at b-f.com and in every b/f space (the few that exist) aren't "true" ftms. Maybe they're just special snowflakes trying on and discarding labels and identities like this glut of "queer femmes" is, but if that's the case, I'd like to hear about it. B/C it pisses me off that everything out there now that carries the labels butch or femme is overrun with "male identified butches" and ftms.
    ====
    Oh also, gay men have also used the word "femme" to identify themselves, just like some dykes use the term "boi" -- and both communities use the term "gay." So no, you know full well that it isn't the same thing.

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  32. To those who are against trans trenders, rest assured, it is the trans trenders that will ultimately be the undoing of how this disorder (drugs/surgery) is currently treated. Their medically trans victimized bodies will change treatment from physical to mental(where the issue lies).

    As this touches more and more young straight girls, parents will begin raising hell, bringing this barbarity to the general public and like the ice-pick lobotomies of the past, this too will pass.

    If you follow parental sites, there are parents out there right now becoming vocal about this. I've been linking my blog to these sites and have spoken now to quite a few parents who were in complete confusion about this trans trend.

    When transition goes from a few fringe individuals to affecting large numbers of the general public, the general public will put a stop to it.

    So the more videos, the more websites and chat rooms catering to and encouraging the young, the quicker parents will demand the medical community nip this thing in the bud and demand these websites be taken down as well.

    You'll see this in the next few years.

    dirt

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  33. As a transman, reading these comments and particularly the ones referring to Kael, I have to say that I am shocked and disappointed. It angers me to hear or read about a woman being raped. That action is beyond my comprehension. Why anyone would do something so horrific to another human being is just senseless. I know a few lesbians(butch and femme)and transmen(before and after transition) who have been raped. The transmen who had been raped were also mutilated. No one, absolutely NO ONE, deserves to be treated that way. I hope something is done about Kael and his alleged actions. I say alleged because, this is still America and with that comes the "presumed innocent until proven guilty..."

    I just have one question for the woman who had been raped by the "transman". You mentioned that "he never started transitioning either". So it's safe to say that he wasn't on T, correct? Either way, I hope you don't really judge all us transmen and I apologize for what happened to you. We're not all like that.

    Thank you.

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  34. Regarding trans and Butch women,

    The majority of lesbians (tweeners) who transition do so quite often because they seek butchness and seek what they perceive Butch women possess.

    I have literally seen hundreds of tweeners who ID'd as "butch" and claimed to date "femmes" transition when they felt they couldnt compete with Butches or get Femmes to date them. They lose on all counts, because Butch has never been a competition, you simply are or you arent, and they only thing "T" gets them is masculinity, which has zero to do with Butch and obviously they still never get the Femme because Femmes only desire the lesbian body which trans(men) no longer possess.

    Sad all way 'round.

    dirt

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  35. "MeikoEliasXavier's "Butch Lesbians Vs Tansmen" on YouTube ... This coming from a person who may be very nice, but still needs 3 male names."

    Xavier is his last name (one of the few transguy who is 100% out online). You can find him at the local Borders not far from Cape Cod ;)

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  36. I would also like to say that a lot of the comments Dirt gets on Fridays and at other times focus on her "hate" for transmen. I can understand why someone choosing to identify that way would see it as hate, but it isn't.

    Where she is coming from is that she has such a deep care and love for women, especially lesbians that it pains her to see women / girls doing this to themselves. I know this about her. She isn't saying these things because she hates ftms. She doesn't call for violence upon you or for you to be raped. She, like others, has seen the lesbian community be opened up and co-opted by straight women and trans. OK, so the golf & horse dykes are still largely untouched by all this, but the rest of us?

    We've had our heads turned all around by "queer theories," by women telling our Butch girlfriends they need to start I because a a butch is "really transgendered," by people like S. Bear Bergman presuming to speak for butch. By "queer femmes" telling lesbian dyke femmes that we are devaluing them by saying we don't want bio-cock or by saying we're not open to men or ftms.

    In all of this lesbians have capitulated or at least felt powerless to stop the co-opting of lesbian ideas, lesbian terms, lesbian spaces. I have noticed that gay men by and large don't put up with the level of bullshit and confusion that we do.

    You may not agree with her nor with me; I don't expect you to. but if this is about honesty and all that, at least recognize that where she is coming from is from fierce love for females and a sorrow at seeing the lesbian community - specially the under 40 community - decimated by all of this bullshit. Her view is that through transition, young women particularly are permanently disfiguring and altering themselves in ways they may come to deeply regret in the future without having first taken the time or having the opportunity to examine internalized misogyny and homophobia and dysphoria. I would think that, honestly, a transguy would agree with her on that -- don't you want people who decide to take T to have examined all of these painful issues and dealt with them before transition? Or would you rather things continue the way they are so that ftms like the ones who call lesbians "cunts" and tell her she needs to "be raped" continue to grow in number? Wouldn't you rather have this long period of deep reflection than see ftms five, ten, fifteen years down the road wracked with grief and regret because they made the wrong decision? If it's truly right for you, then you have to be honest and know that no, it isn't "right for everyone." And so you would appreciate that she's out here, clanging the bell, sounding the horn, doing it the way she is so that the eyes of the lesbian community are drawn to this now -rather than in 15 years with the yaoi girls and the insecure dykes come to have painful regrets over what they have done.

    Like her or not, and like her methods or not, Dirt has acknowledged that there is legitimate pain and confusion in the minds of transfolk - but she points us to a society that says there is only one way to be female and one way to be male as the cause of this.

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  37. Can you someone explain me the fuss about transmen and public restroom ?

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  38. so I guess also as a black man you would like me to say everything all others from my race have done is my fault becuase we are all the same.thats just silly.

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  39. I'm not trans and i don't think all trans are rapists, rapist supporters, women beaters, or bad people in general. If someone reports a previously calm person taking T and changing personality, i feel like that should be acknowledged but not as the general effect of T for all.

    I believe there are true transsexuals who have brains that say certain parts are missing and others shouldn't be there and felt that they were always the opposite sex.

    The ones affected by the trans trend did not always feel like they were men or boys until they saw transitioning and learned about it. They felt like an other. I never saw anyone discuss this but Dirt. Look at the Butch othering posts it is real. It's assumed that all women have a strong sense of femaleness but that is not the case! many have a weak sense of "being a woman" and feel like an other due to society and their own nature. They see how much they have in common with male steroetypes, and how little they care for having a female body and now suddenly it's don't call me "she" anymore. I know because i experienced it for years. I became more and more sensitive to female pronouns. But i never cared about being called she before i heard of transgenderism. I know of five women who narrowly escaped transition thinking they were trans ranging from 10 years to a few months. They only woke up due to specific series events in their lives. If those events did not occur we'd all be on T.

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  40. @ James T "so I guess also as a black man you would like me to say everything all others from my race have done is my fault becuase we are all the same.thats just silly."

    No only 5333 transmen are rape supporters....only...

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  41. Anon @12:59 : "You talk about misogyny a lot but what about the misandry that you display?"

    MISANDRY is a code word that lets every female within earshot know that the speaker is a sexist misogynist male-supremacist idiot. Usually a privileged male crybaby.

    "What about the MENZZZZZZ?!?"

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  42. We've always been here and we're not going away!!!!

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  43. Anon @12:59 : "You talk about misogyny a lot but what about the misandry that you display?"

    MISANDRY is a code word that lets every female within earshot know that the speaker is a sexist misogynist male-supremacist idiot. Usually a privileged male crybaby.

    "What about the MENZZZZZZ?!?"

    November 5, 2010 4:27 PM



    I totally agree with you!!!!

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  44. DD talks alot,

    Thank you!

    No where have I ever said ALL trans(men) rape, no where have I said all trans(men) are bad and no where have a made video advocating the rape of trans(men).

    What I have said is when even one female bodies person advocates for the rape of even one women, he/she advocates for the rape of ALL women!

    Folks need to READ rather than REACT!

    dirt

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  45. About Kael T Block, apprently he has raped women on every continent. Here in Europe : http://safecommunities.livejournal.com/2006/11/11/

    When you Google his name, Google Instant suggests "Rape". Unbelievable and 5333 fans like him !

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  46. "I believe there are true transsexuals who have brains that say certain parts are missing and others shouldn't be there..."

    Very similar to this:
    http://www.newsweek.com/2008/05/28/cutting-desire.html

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  47. "Sexy girlfriend giving me head" I love when FTM do porn worse than biomale http://www.xtube.com/watch.php?v=Na9WW-S833-

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  48. @trans and proud,

    First before the 30's trans didnt exist, second if you were truly "proud" you wouldnt be here, here being this blog.

    dirt

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  49. Dirt said...
    ["To those who are against trans trenders, rest assured, it is the trans trenders that will ultimately be the undoing of how this disorder (drugs/surgery) is currently treated. Their medically trans victimized bodies will change treatment from physical to mental(where the issue lies).

    As this touches more and more young straight girls, parents will begin raising hell, bringing this barbarity to the general public and like the ice-pick lobotomies of the past, this too will pass.

    If you follow parental sites, there are parents out there right now becoming vocal about this. I've been linking my blog to these sites and have spoken now to quite a few parents who were in complete confusion about this trans trend.

    When transition goes from a few fringe individuals to affecting large numbers of the general public, the general public will put a stop to it.

    So the more videos, the more websites and chat rooms catering to and encouraging the young, the quicker parents will demand the medical community nip this thing in the bud and demand these websites be taken down as well.

    You'll see this in the next few years.

    dirt "]

    Wow. Just wow.
    I think you've really hit it here. Now that the transfad is spreading to the hetero kids something will finally be done about it.
    It saddens me that the hetero fetishists that "birthed" (ha) the transfad have so effectively used and colonized the gay and lesbian movement's inclusiveness to parasitically spread such an anti-gay anti-woman medical cult.
    And it's sad that only now that it has spread to straight teens that it begins to matter.
    Thank God at least now it will finally get shut down.

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  50. @Dirt....that is bullshit! Just like there have always been gay people there have been trans people. It was just NEVER talked about.

    Oh, and by the way...YES, I AM VERY PROUD!!! I'm just having a good laugh at the bullshit you write about.

    FEAR breeds HATE!

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  51. the loneliness of Trans sexuality : http://www.xtube.com/view.php?s=Ben2ftzOCQx&p=1kx2fYFoSXr&pin=

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  52. [It saddens me that the hetero fetishists that "birthed"]

    Of course that's hetero MALE fetishists...

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  53. Trans and proud,

    The fact that you know of this blog period refutes your "proudness".

    And I agree, your fear of me/this blog is why you hate it/me.

    dirt

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  54. Transmale are so hot http://www.xtube.com/watch.php?v=pnicw-S620-

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  55. I know of your blog because someone posted the link to it on my live journal blog. I didn't believe the person who gave me the link when they told me that there's a transphobic butch dyke in the community posting all kinds of nonsense and lies about us. I admit I was wrong not to believe this person because you really are one hateful individual.

    I don't hate you at all. I respect that you are a strong butch woman. There's nothing wrong with that at all. I am a strong female to male transsexual.

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  56. "I don't understand why you think it's okay to broadcast things like

    []"I believe there are true transsexuals who have brains that say certain parts are missing and others shouldn't be there..."

    Very similar to this:
    http://www.newsweek.com/2008/05/28/cutting-desire.html[]

    - This, but when a transsexual posts here trying to defend his or her honor it's looked upon as being hateful, aggressive or angry. Seeing people post something directed at the poking fun at, or telling us we're not real, is very disheartening to see from a group of lesbians. "

    What are you implying the difference is? Between what those with GID go through vs. BIID?
    You're saying the comparison is not only wrong but improper, correct?
    Can you explain why you make that judgement?

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  57. "[It saddens me that the hetero fetishists that "birthed"]

    Of course that's hetero MALE fetishists..."

    Sadly, it was also a bunch of pervy female academics who really got the queer theory ball rolling in the US.

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  58. Notebook: You have described the experience of BIID exactly.

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  59. Why is it hateful to tell someone they have been born perfect, with no flaws or mistakes.

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  60. Notebook: Not everyone with BIID makes a physical change. Some just make a mental change. Others just want to "pass" in public. Why judge them so harshly when they go through the exact same thing you do?

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  61. If transitioning were natural, why such a concept like natural transitionning would exist ?

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  62. So, NoteBook, you don't "feel like a woman," whatever that means, therefore you consider yourself male, but you don't feel the need for a male body, either. You just don't feel very girly, so you must be a guy. Got it. Sounds like old-fashioned sexism to me.

    Let me guess. You're going to say you're not especially stereotypically masculine, you're actually kind of nellie. Newsflash: even non-stereotypical men, including really nellie men, still have social permission to be ONLY as "feminine" as they want to be. WOMEN DON'T.

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  63. People with BIID are miserable people who focus on the idea that if they removed their limbs they would be then be happy.

    I am happy now, living as male, not changing who I am on the outside, but living as how I feel best for me.

    I don't think about being trans everyday. I think about my work, my partner, and my future. My gender doesn't consume my thoughts, such as anorexia, or BIID, the like. The only time I have to discuss it is times like right now, to family, to those I open up to about it. It's a good life, I thought about it more when I was trying to push it down and be what everyone expected me to be.

    You can feel free to message me on yahoo if you want to discuss further, If I am getting long winded here..

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  64. "Regarding lesbians and rape, please refer me to the site or videos where a lesbian or lesbians have wished someone to be rape or our right advocated rape. I will gladly post about them here.

    dirt"

    This is about a youtube video from Hollycamp3542ar...this includes threats of harm to Dirt and also includes, which I bring everyones attention to today because this youtuber thinks Dirt should be RAPED by a elephantitis(?) gorilla dick...what the hell...I know this is an uneducated ignorant woman making a ridiculous comment but a sick example of how the word and act of RAPE is used against women even FROM other women.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/Hollycampb3542ar#p/a/u/1/_zRmsZHUvbw

    Here is an example of yet another person who did not take the time to read or has failed to comprehend Dirt's message. This video...wow. We will start with the fact that this is a woman, bisexual, a mother and a minority which make this all the more interesting.Amongst other choice words, she refers to Dirt as a cunt and a bitch. She refers to Tyra Banks as a bitch. I wonder if she thinks all women are bitches? Is her daughter a bitch too? Isnt Dirt's message about women respecting themselves and other women especially within our own ranks?She goes on to put Dirt down for her choice of clothing and hairstyle. Isnt this what Dirt is talking about, women being able to be free to not fit in with the expected stereotypes of what is feminine? If "hollycamp3542ar" took the time to read and understand Dirt's message, she might learn a few things, she may find out that dirt is trying to help these women who choose to take the FTM route and educate them about the dangers of this choice.I have yet to see Dirt personally attack anyone.... Dirt tries to help the few that are willing and able to be educated. I applaud her efforts and support her work.

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  65. Notebook believes no medical treatment is indicated for transsexuality.

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  66. I get it. All ftm's are rapists. In the same way all gay men are pedophiles and all gay women have just been hurt by men. You people are buying into the same fear-based belief system hook, line and sinker.

    I was beaten and choked by a lesbian I dated many years ago.

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  67. "Why is it hateful to tell someone they have been born perfect, with no flaws or mistakes."

    Because that means they're stuck being a boring old "effeminate" man, or a boring old "masculine" woman. Or a woman who feels frustratingly invisible to others, because she experiences herself as being more like a gay man due to being neither hyperfeminine in the expected straight manner, nor butch (whether lesbian, straight, or bi.)

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  68. [I get it. All ftm's are rapists. In the same way all gay men are pedophiles and all gay women have just been hurt by men. You people are buying into the same fear-based belief system hook, line and sinker.

    I was beaten and choked by a lesbian I dated many years ago.]

    You people are not reading very closely.

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  69. I read all the accounts of the rape by Kael T Block's when it happened. I couldn't believe anyone would come to his defense. I took myself off his friend list. I talked to everyone I knew about it. Not a single person I knew related the assault to his being trans. Know why? Because it's bullshit.

    I would never make a fucking video on YouTube against or for anything related to my being trans because mentally-ill predators like Dirt would likely use my own image against me.

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  70. The nellie comments were intended to deal with the inevitable "NOOOO, it's not about gender stereotypes, I'm not a stereotypical man" argument. As I said, all women pay a social penalty for refusing conventional femininity. To some, the social penalty for not being a conventionally masculine man may look like a better deal.

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  71. "Should I? What if I am content? I believe the abundance of acceptance I receive from my friends and family and especially my lover never made me feel the need to convince the world of my gender identity."

    I agree! People should not medically "abuse themselves" as you put it, to act out their sexist self-hatred.

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  72. Well, I am not a stereotypical person. If that counts?

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  73. "I get it. All ftm's are rapists."

    No but apparently the FTM who has written this comment is blind or did not bother reading the others answers :D

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  74. "I read all the accounts of the rape by Kael T Block's when it happened. I couldn't believe anyone would come to his defense. I took myself off his friend list. I talked to everyone I knew about it. Not a single person I knew related the assault to his being trans. Know why? Because it's bullshit."

    Denying those women were raped is violent :(

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  75. There are gender stereotypes, racial stereotypes, occupational stereotypes, and national stereotypes, but no generic "human" or "person" stereotypes.

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  76. Well, consider a stereotypical 'person' to be all of the above. But I was going for more of a 'non typical' rhetoric, anyway.

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  77. There are gender stereotypes, racial stereotypes, occupational stereotypes, and national stereotypes, but no generic "human" or "person" stereotypes.
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    How dare you invalidate my identity as a special snowflake!
    Hater!

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  78. Not being snippy, just pointing out that no one lives in a vacuu,

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  79. I don't mind you being snippy with me.

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  80. [correcting own typo] "...that no one lives in a vacuum."

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  81. @Notebook
    By transsexual I'm referring to those who transition. If you didn't physically transition, you are not a transsexual in the literal meaning of the word. You did not "cross" the sexes. Many transsexuals have said they have "non-fitting feelings" toward their body.

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  82. "It's assumed that all women have a strong sense of femaleness but that is not the case! many have a weak sense of "being a woman" and feel like an other due to society and their own nature."

    Thanks for pointing that out. Being a woman just isn't that big a deal to me. It's not bad, good, or even "different." As far as I'm concerned, it means I've got certain equipment. If society didn't make my being a woman such an issue, I doubt I'd think about it very much at all. That doesn't mean I regard myself as androgynous, either. I just don't think that having the standard XX equipment has a great deal to do with who I am as a person. It's there, it works, great, but I don't need to do performance art about it.

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  83. Awww Look at you Butch Betty decorating your blog for fall. You'd make someone a wonderful wife one day.

    Betty Crocker

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  84. For DD - who addressed me personally...

    "@ Anon 2:39:
    If there wasn't this sense of competition why the comments the other day about "stealing your (lesbians') women"

    I never made any comments (and never would) about stealing anyone's women. Anyone that does is just immature and ridiculous. I am 100% against anyone messing around with anyone else's women, regardless of gender identity, sexuality, or anything else.

    "and why the invasion of male identified trans people into things like "butch-femme.com" and other spaces, and why now is "butch / ftm" often included as one thing?"

    I know that the presence of Transfolk on BF.com angers some, but not all. The founders of BF.com always included FTMs and the current owner WANTS FTMs to take part in the site. I personally have backed off because I no longer felt welcome in that space and that's fine. I founded my own site geared to the Trans community. And as for other 'Women Only' spaces, I agree that men, whether bio or trans, do not belong.

    "Why is it that at this point, you can't log on to a site like butch-femme and say you are a lesbian femme or you prefer female identified buches (the fact that you have to USE this term on b-f.com says it all) without people getting all worked up about you "devaluing their identity" and so forth? "

    I can only speak for myself - but I have no problem with anyone saying that they prefer anything! That is everyone's right. I happen to prefer that those who ID as Butch also ID as Women. I don't like the blurred lines. When I see someone's profile that says Female ID'd Butch, I admire her.

    People are hating on Transmen because of a small number of (usually) young women who enjoy the whole "genderfucked" thing and like to play around with gender identity. The fact is, there are true Transmen out there who are simply trying to live their truths and be happy and aren't trying to steal anyone's women, hurt anyone, or compete with Butch women and the hatred shown here is no better than the hate shown to women by men, or to the gay & lesbian community by homophobes.

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  85. Anon @7:13,

    You dont know how many times I've been told this! I've also been regularly called a "domestic goddess"! I'm an awesome cook and an equally awesome home keeper!

    My FB friends all call me "Butch Betty"!

    dirt

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  86. I am the father of a FTM. When my child was born I was told that I had a daughter. Starting at 4 years old my child verbally began to tell me that he was a boy. As I watched him grow and mature, the more I wondered what was going on. I, at that time didn't really know very much about transgender individuals. I didn't think anything of it. He chose his clothes, friends, haircuts, & daily activites growing up. Everything he chose was that of a young boy. He refused to let us call him his birth name because he insisted that he was not a girl. There has not been 1 day in his life that he has questioned being male. He never identified as a lesbian, but he always dated girls. When he was around 16 I asked him if he was a lesbian, he said no, that he was a straight male. I finally decided that I needed to do more research on this. I've read many books and talked to many people who are extremely educated on this subject. Gender is far from black & white. My son is mentally male. In no way has ever felt like a female or thought like a female. He respects women more than any young man I've ever met. He is disgusted by any individual who rapes or hurts another. I'm sure there are some people out there who think thay may be transgender and come to realize that they aren't, but there are definitely people out there who are truely transgender and deserve to be loved and supported like anyone else. My son in now 27 years old and has been on testosterone for 4 years. He has a full head of hair and is a very very happy nice looking young man with a very good career. My son may not be a biological man, but he is now and always has been a male. It's very sad that some people can't see this. God bless

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  87. Father of the ftM,

    You just described nearly every Butch, butch persuasioned, tomboy and an assortment of other females growing up, congrates on enforcing strict gender norms and on the murder of your daughter. Go you.

    So much for "educating" yourself.

    dirt

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  88. SURPRISE SURPRISE!!!!You yourself were considering transitioning at one time. Someone pointed out your old live journal blogs which is now deleted. Self projected hate much????

    Talk about a total hypocrite!!!!

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  89. "SURPRISE SURPRISE!!!!You yourself were considering transitioning at one time."

    1. Nope she didn't! She still has an account on insanejournal which is much older than the blog you referring to.

    2. So it's wrong for someone who was drug addicted to warn others?? wtf!

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  90. "You just described nearly every Butch, butch persuasioned, tomboy and an assortment of other females growing up"

    BINGO. "Clothes, haircuts, friends, and daily activities" aren't inherently male or female.

    What exactly does "feeling like a female" or "thinking like a female" mean? Not much, beyond recognizing the existence of certain body parts, unless you believe in gender stereotypes.

    Whether or not any given FTM is a nice person who respects women, or a nasty person who doesn't, is completely beside the point.

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  91. Weren't those troll blogs written by someone else?

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  92. "...the hatred shown here is no better than the hatred shown here is no better than the hate shown to women by men, or to the gay & lesbian community by homophobes.

    I don't see a lot of hatred here. I see some harsh criticism of the belief that anyone needs to transition.

    Also, what power, exactly, does a feminist critic of transsexualism have in relation to transsexuals that is equivalent to the power men still have in relation to women, or straights in relation to gays?

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  93. "My son is mentally male. In no way has ever felt like a female or thought like a female."

    Precisely how does one "think like a female"?
    How does one "feel like" a female exactly?

    Are you saying that the human mind is not capable of inhabiting all human states, only those of one's sex?
    Please explain.

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  94. I am very sure that you are right! I actually know several young "butch" women from my home town. Short hair, male clothing, & athletic. I've talked to them about this very issue. The difference is, they feel female. My child on the other hand, has never felt female. My child wasn't murdered. You could say in a way I "lost" my daughter, but thinking back on it, I never had a daughter in the first place. Being transgender is much deeper than a physical apperance. I was simply pointing out a few things. There is actually a very big difference when it comes to a "butch" lesbian and a transgender male. Like I have read on your blog, a butch lesbian can connect with a feminine side and identify as a female, even if it is in a more masculine way. A transgender man may not have that feminine side you speak of and they cannot identity as a female. It isn't that they just do not want to be female, they simply aren't female. I assure you that my son and I have had plenty of talks throughout his life. He does believe his life would be much easier if he were able to mentally identify with the was he was physically born but he isn't. He never complained about the cards he had been dealt, but he did know that he needed to fix the hand. It's a great thing that you are proud of the person you are and that you are so happy to be butch. My son though, has never been a butch lesbian. As I mentioned before I do know several butch lesbians and I watched them grow up. I can definitely see where you may see similarities and have some confusion, but when you see a young trans boy grow up there is an obvious difference. At least in my case. I way say again, gender is not black & white.

    I only mentioned that my son is very respectful toward women because I don't want someone who may not know anything about a transgender man to think that all ftm's are violent and belive that rape is ok. I don't think you were in anyway saying that all transgender men are like that, but I wanted to maybe clear somethings up so nobody recieved the wrong idea.

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  95. To the parents of transgendered children; Thank you, it's nice to see parents who support their children even when they are gay, lesbian or trans. Amazing to see.

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  96. Why is it so wrong that your FTM daughter is born female? If her inner "feeling" is of a man, then why does she inject testosterone to change her body so the world thinks she is male-born?
    Parents push their sexist ideas onto their children.
    Has anyone seen the "Real Life: Transgender Kids" program? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPffj8k7iLk
    In it, this cute little gay boy going through a girly phase asks his mom (who incidentally trots him around the talk show and conference circut) "Is it wrong to be a girl with a penis?"
    "Yes. It's wrong. It just doesn't fit. It's like having a birth defect" she answers.
    "I don't want to have surgery" he says.
    "That's okay- you can get the shots" she replies.

    FUCKED UP!
    Poor little gay boy!

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  97. "In it, this cute little gay boy going through a girly phase asks his mom (who incidentally trots him around the talk show and conference circut) "Is it wrong to be a girl with a penis?"
    "Yes. It's wrong. It just doesn't fit. It's like having a birth defect" she answers.
    "I don't want to have surgery" he says.
    "That's okay- you can get the shots" she replies.

    FUCKED UP!
    Poor little gay boy!"
    yeah because that is what EVERY parent says, right *rolleyes*
    when you feel for yourself that something is fishy and that you'd be more comfy were it otherwise, what's the big deal?

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  98. Dad: define female.

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  99. Not all transsexuals get 'surgery'. Some FTM simply live as male without T or surgery. Some MTF women go on hormones, some don't. It's not about trying to be sexist, it's about a way you have been feeling all of your life on the inside. I would never go up to a lesbian and tell her what she feels is wrong, and that her lifestyle is wrong.


    I don't think you can ever TRULY know what someone is going through unless you have been in their shoes. So, sure, have a questionable approach. But don't tell us we're not real. I am sure your road has been long and difficult, as well as ours has.

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  100. Where do transsexuals get off defining what female is for the rest of us?
    Gender fascists.

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  101. What an ugly, hate-filled blog you have here. Why write such vitriol against undeserving transmen? What's with this obsession about someone else's sexuality instead of your own?

    If you need a moving target, take a long, hard look at your own personal prejudices. If anyone needs a reality check, it's you, Dirt. This is well beyond commentary and pretty deeply immersed in mental illness...you need a new obsession.

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  102. Father of a FTM -

    I applaud your support of your trans-son. But.. I fear you are just going to be spinning your wheels here on this blog. They will aim to tear you down and make you think you are wrong. They will disrespect you greatly by telling you your son is a woman repeatedly, or that you and your son are both sexist.. this cruelty is beyond my understanding. It seems counter-productive to me.

    If she indeed wanted to help the youth, and if she DID think they were in trouble, she would not attack transyouth in the way she has with such offensive, snarky remarks. I do not hate her, or blame her. But I am just going to tell you not to feel discouraged by the attacks. It's worse than Ive seen transsexual children treated in schools by bullies. Enough to make claims that transsexuals are not real.

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  103. No FTM ever said they were defining YOUR gender. You can be a flying pear for all we care. But for us? We feel male inside. Whatever it may be, whatever it is to us, it's simply how we have felt since early childhood. Did we think it was a horrible thing to feel? Of course. Just like many gay youth do. It's not as if we woke up and just decided to be trans. It's a nagging feeling you can't ignore.

    I love masculine women. But I don't feel like one. I feel like a man inside a womans body. I don't know how much better I can describe it, unless you've felt it. It's not about being lesbian and changing into a man. It's not about being straight and wanting to be gay. It simply is, mentality of a male, in a female body. It's very hard, and very frustrating. If I could live as a female and feel natural, I would. As I am sure many gay people would love to just "be normal".

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  104. I never said in any way was it wrong for my child to be born physically female, and in NO way did I try to push my child to transition, take injections, or have surgery. If anything, I tried to push my child the opposite way before I knew and UNDERSTOOD what was going on. At that point I still didn't push my child either way. I got him into a therapist and supported his decisions. As a parent you need to love and support your child. I hope that no parent would try to force their child into a gender they didn't belong in. Unfortunately I know it happens.

    As far as defining male and female it is becoming more and more clear that there are not only 2 categories. gender is a spectrum. There is the male side and the female side. It just so happens that a lot people fall somewhere in the middle. My son (FTM) is very close to the end of the male side. A butch lesbian may be more in the middle. Asking someone to specifically define a gender is nearly impossible.

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  105. "mentality of a male"

    Define please,

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  106. Define why you are not a straight woman? Define why you became gay?

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  107. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034

    There was another study done that found some lobe in the brain was more that of a males in Female-to-male brains, and visa versa in MTF female brains, I have it printed out somewhere.

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  108. "Define why you are not a straight woman? Define why you became gay?"

    because you don't become. because you are. and because you should be well enough connected to your self to know.

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  109. ["Define why you are not a straight woman? Define why you became gay?"

    because you don't become. because you are. and because you should be well enough connected to your self to know.]

    Exactly!! And this is how transsexuals feel. From as early as age 3, especially in early childhood is when it becomes most obvious.

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  110. http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/culturelab/2010/09/fighting-back-against-neurosexism.html

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  111. No FTM ever said they were defining YOUR gender.

    Actually I am constantly lectured about how I am a ciswoman by trans people, when I am, in fact, NOT.

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  112. ["Define why you are not a straight woman? Define why you became gay?"

    because you don't become. because you are. and because you should be well enough connected to your self to know.]

    Exactly!! And this is how transsexuals feel. From as early as age 3, especially in early childhood is when it becomes most obvious.

    November 5, 2010 9:55 PM

    EXACTLY! And this is exactly how people with BIID feel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_identity_disorder

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  113. Trans people does not mean it is all of us. Aren't you a woman? I never used 'cisgendered' to describe someone. I am not sure what it really means in that respect.

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  114. "EXACTLY! And this is exactly how people with BIID feel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_identity_disorder"
    you are so very funny.

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  115. So all gay people should just stop and be who theyre supposed to be and love who theyre supposed to love according to what society says? Because they resemble BIID?

    I really don't see the resemblance. Maybe for a transperson who hates themself. But other than that, transsexuals are just as much in a healthy state as anyone.

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  116. cultist sissy =) said...
    "EXACTLY! And this is exactly how people with BIID feel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_identity_disorder"
    you are so very funny.

    November 5, 2010 10:03 PM

    These sort of comments saying trans* and BIID people are "funny" are not really helping the dialog.

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  117. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with gender.

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  118. I am an ftm and I am well-connected to my self-to my body, to my heart, to my loved ones.

    A Dirt supporter on the last Open Comments Day called ftm's hideous cunts and said we should kill ourselves. She shouted it.

    There is a video on YouTube by a real butch responding to Dirt's blog. I thought I was going crazy until I saw this butch's video, but she confirmed every thing I had been feeling about this blog. She is beautiful. Proud, secure, and truly butch- subsequently completely able to make the distinction between her self and ftm's. I love her.
    Search for Dirt and transphobic blog and her video should come up. Some of y'all need to take a page out of her book. Real butches aren't threatened by ftm's one bit.

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  119. "These sort of comments saying trans* and BIID people are "funny" are not really helping the dialog."

    uhm, i think telling people that they're just posting bull DO help whatever dialog here may be held.
    (also, if you read properly i wasn't saying anyone but the original poster was "funny". i didn't even mean "funny". but i feel "funny" for having to explain to you)

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  120. I made the comment about stealing your women. It was meant to be a comment about the horrible insecurity that butches who aren't secure in their identity feel when confronted by the presence of ftm's. The fact is that many women who used to define as lesbians date ftm's now. And that can't be easy to stand by and witness. There must be this sense that butches aren't masculine enough. I don't think women belong to anyone but themselves. Period.

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  121. "telling people that they're just posting bull DO help whatever dialog here may be held."

    What was you saying were bull?

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  122. Trans people does not mean it is all of us.

    Uh. Yeah. So, it's a good thing I didn't say it was all of you, isn't it?

    I was responding to the idea that NO trans person EVER policed someone's gender. none. Not one. Well, my experience is that many have done. Not ALL. MANY who I have interacted with.

    Yes, I am a woman, but there's nothing "cis" about it. I don't "identify" as a woman, I am IDENTIFIED as a woman by others. I have a female body that I often love and I have social gender constructs imposed upon me which I always hate. So, again, nothing "cis" about that. And yet trans folks constantly insist on applying the gender label "ciswoman" to me without my consent and even when I expressly say that I AM NOT A CIS WOMAN.

    (hmm, reminds me of something that trans folks are always asking others not to do to them...)

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  123. @Father of FTM
    I do not know why others believe so firmly that there are no true transsexuals but i do believe you that your son is one. It is true that some butches have said they wanted to be a boy (I'm a butch I said it a few times). But for me at least it was because I was excluded from "boy's things" because i was a girl. But if he said it all the time that is something very different.I wish i had a parent like you who let their child do things of the supposed other gender.

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  124. A Dirt supporter on the last Open Comments Day called ftm's hideous cunts and said we should kill ourselves. She shouted it.
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    That was posted by the same FTM troll that shouted throughout the thread. Nice try though.

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  125. Re: transmen invading gay male spaces and lesbian spaces....

    In my town, the queers got together and created dance parties for queers. We rented the bars, dj'd and charged at the door. These were the funnest nights. Gay men, trannies, femmes, butches, bisexuals, EVERYONE. We all had so much fun because we knew we had each others backs and could support each other's identities and have our own at the same time. These parties were wild and awesome. So the gay men started coming-people who do not identify as queer, some who don't even like women at all. Now these nights are jam-packed with gay men who don't understand why there are women there, and who don't understand that me and my girlfriend are not a "straight" couple. I don't really like it anymore-I go to queer nights to represent and to be known and understood as a queer person. Should I feel like the gay people need to go back to their own bar? Do I really want to discriminate like that?

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  126. "What was you saying were bull?"
    just drop it, okay? unless you want me to think you're a total blockhead. then again, what do i care....

    "I was responding to the idea that NO trans person EVER policed someone's gender. none. Not one. Well, my experience is that many have done. Not ALL. MANY who I have interacted with."
    only that it is mostly meant without any judgement, but only to describe a simple biological fact.

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  127. -i try again, maybe it doesn't get eaten this time-

    i find it rather nice that it's finally possible to post something round here, because in your regular comments you seem to favor those that can be easily bashed or praise you like you just invented the universal panpharmacon combined with guaranteed salvation for all (but that may just be my personal sensation, whatevs).

    hm, where do i start? well.... ah! look, i get your point and it's definitely right that you stand for your beliefs. but, generalisation? not cool.

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  128. -stories of heartbroken lesbians who "lost" their beloved to transition? really? one could say that ditched/ split up folks *could* maybe be a little biased. or that they *could* be searching flaws in their ex-partner. or that they *may* not be exactly accurate in their view of things. but again, that may or may not be just my vibe. making a fact out of that few occurrences again strikes me as cheap and lazy sensationalism. and to be honest people split up about a crapload of things, including changing just through time. not being able to accept changes is pretty human and understandable, but it can become an obsession that is nothing more than selfish. (i don't personally wanna attack anyone you mention here, just saying)

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  129. -sigh-

    -rape. oookay, did i already touch the point where some people are just straight-out d*ckheads? because that applies here. men rape women. men rape men, women rape women and sometimes even men..... soooooo, what do we guess? that it may be possible that this is just to blame on human nature and not on people doing hormones or wishing to alter their god given appearance. got it?
    "For those who wish rape upon others, remember, karma comes back to you. If you think it's funny to tell someone they should be raped, then you aren't really a man are you?"
    i don' get what that has to do with being "really a man". it simply has to do with being a good person or simply having issues or being able to have your instincts and aggressions and perversions in check and simply apply them in an appropriate manner.
    "So it is better to remove the T and still keep the LGB. I don't support myself cult-like organisation who back-up and celebrate rapists." well, personally i mostly heard/read people who condemn what he did and don't wish to be associated with him, but with everything else, ymmv.

    -talking about being "really a man".... ahem, what exactly should that be, please? what makes you a real man or a real woman? why can't you just permit everyone the right to be whatever the f*ck they want to be? what does it matter? maybe i can be a man with friggin t*ts, but maybe i simply don't want to? i can't get my head around your fixation on outer appearances, nor do i want to discuss it further, just thought i might briefly mention it, but "Practice being the woman that you are, not paying to be the man that you can never be."? again, whatever the f*ck i want to be.....

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  130. - much of your blog lately consists of "look at those threats some crazy ftms send me!!!111". guess what? like in the general population, some transdudes are just morons. because some PEOPLE are just morons. blaming that on being trans or taking hormones? not a clever idea, but surely helpful to your purpose. taking into account that much of your ramblings seems to be centered around younger people, say teens at best.... one should get the idea that some younger folks aren't exactly balanced anyways, which isn't an excuse but surely an explanation.
    also definitely a low blow to the pretty normal decent folks, but hell.... at least it gets your point across.
    "Regarding lesbians and rape, please refer me to the site or videos where a lesbian or lesbians have wished someone to be rape or our right advocated rape. I will gladly post about them here."
    get over it dear.... you know like when you're really angry with someone and think "i'd like to [do random harm] to that f*cker? nothing else is happening here. babbling. simple.
    everyone who publishes on the internet (or wherever) gets it. not news. given that your posting style is rather provocative, even a thing you should expect.

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  131. "There was another study done that found some lobe in the brain was more that of a males in Female-to-male brains, and visa versa in MTF female brains"

    This was caused by taking hormones. It's not a reason it's a current status.

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  132. Prissy-cult-whatever-

    excellent display of man-tality.
    ^5

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  133. Fads come and fads go, but this Trans Fad is right up there with Heroin Chic in its potential for human devastation.

    Let’s look at the life cycles of some fads. Once upon a time in the 60’s, there were idealistic Hippies, sincere in their desire to create a kinder, gentler, world of peace and love. There were Hippies who started visionary communes and free food programs like the Diggers, Hippies who created fantastic art and music, Hippies who marched in the streets for peace. Then, along came all the wannabes who grew their hair long, put on some beads, and were basically there to get wasted and get laid. Then the next thing you know, the fad hits the mainstream: TV shows like “Laugh In” and “Sonny and Cher”, shower curtains with pink and orange mushrooms, tourist buses going through Haight Ashbury in SF.

    Then in the late 70’s there was Punk, which was about anti-commercialism and DIY, with musicians like the Sex Pistols, the Clash, and Patti Smith who had a message about alienation and social decay. Then, along came all the wannabes who just wanted to put on a spiked leather jacket and hang out on the streets. Then as the fad really rolls downhill, you have stores like Hot Topic selling punk like a commodity.

    The Goth fad: At the beginning you have genuine romantics, mystics, and poets, bands like Bauhaus- then the trajectory is pretty much the same as the other examples above: club kids dressed like Morticia Addams, wearing Dracula makeup, smoking clove cigarettes.

    BDSM: Originally you have a small, elite group of fetishists and practitioners of exotic alternative sexuality who are fairly selective about who enters the inner circles. Then, the shit hits the Internet, and every Grandpa DeSade and his dog is all over the World Wide Web with this stuff, and pretty soon they’re selling kink gear at the local mall.

    Tattoos: Body art was once rather rare in American society, maybe 1%. When Janis Joplin got a tattoo in 1970 it was a huge deal, because women just weren’t supposed to get tattoos back then. Now they’re everywhere you look, way overdone, and some of them are really ugly.

    FTM Fad: In the 1980’s, only a few highly dysphoric hardcore butches decided to seek sex reassignment. Most of them would go quietly live in their preferred gender. Then, in the mid 90’s, the FTM bandwagon really started to roll, especially in places like the SF Bay Area. They started invading Butch/Femme communities, starting FTM support groups, and proliferating all over the Internet. Pretty soon women you never would have expected to “transition” are going in for T and Top Surgery. Then along comes Chaz Bono. We’re in Full Blown Fad Territory now. And then just when you didn’t think it could get any worse, along come the Yaoi teenyboppers called Aiden and Chad with their Ace bandages and their binders and their packers who are all over YouTube shooting T and soliciting donations for their breast removal surgeries. Next it’ll be on mainstream TV if it isn’t already.

    Unfortunately the FTM trend isn’t a fun, harmless fad like mood rings or Mohawk haircuts. This fad has more in common with cutting, self-harm, anorexia, or crystal meth. Our dyke communities are dwindling not just because of "butch flight" or women deciding to be "transmen", the damn reality is that it's turned into such a freakin' freak show and such a travesty out there, that a lot of us would just as soon stay home and avoid the whole mess!

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  134. Dirt said...

    "Regarding lesbians and rape, please refer me to the site or videos where a lesbian or lesbians have wished someone to be rape or our right advocated rape. I will gladly post about them here."

    Demonstrate how the actions of a few make up an entire community.

    "If you follow parental sites, there are parents out there right now becoming vocal about this. I've been linking my blog to these sites and have spoken now to quite a few parents who were in complete confusion about this trans trend."

    Being childless and knowing next to nothing about transsexuals (don't even suggest that you do, I would tear you apart in any factual debate when you don't have moderated posting to cushion your opinions), you have no business talking to those parents.

    Your advice on it being some kind of 'trend' could result in those parents doing the kinds of things that'd cause that kid to kill themselves if they're really transsexual. That's fine though. We don't matter to you, right?

    "The majority of lesbians (tweeners) who transition do so quite often because they seek butchness and seek what they perceive Butch women possess."

    ...could you be any more clueless?

    "I have literally seen hundreds of tweeners who ID'd as "butch" and claimed to date "femmes" transition when they felt they couldnt compete with Butches or get Femmes to date them."

    I'm calling bullshit. Prove that.

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  135. Dirt said...

    "First before the 30's trans didnt exist..."

    Transgender people have been around for hundreds and thousands of years, sorry to tell you. Just because surgery didn't exist doesn't mean that we didn't. Maybe you should look it up so that you can sound like you know what you're talking about next time.

    "You just described nearly every Butch, butch persuasioned, tomboy and an assortment of other females growing up, congrates on enforcing strict gender norms and on the murder of your daughter. Go you."

    It has nothing to do with such things at that point. This is the reason why you have no business saying a damned word to a parent, you spiteful bitch. At what point did he 'enforce' anything? At what point was there a 'daughter' there to murder? You're the one enforcing gender norms, by declaring that somebody is limited to whatever their genitalia is. Don't you even dare preach to a father who cares about his child, you hypocrite.

    "So much for "educating" yourself."

    Pot, kettle, black.

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  136. Just tried to submit a comment, but it was too long and the server rejected it. So here's the condensed version. Fads have a definite life cycle. The FTM fad is maybe past its peak, but it's still dangerous.

    FTM Fad: In the 1980’s, only a few highly dysphoric hardcore butch women decided to seek sex reassignment. Most of them would go quietly live in their preferred gender. Then, in the mid 90’s, the FTM bandwagon really started to roll, especially in places like the SF Bay Area. They started invading Butch/Femme communities, starting FTM support groups, and proliferating all over the Internet. Pretty soon women you never would have expected to “transition” are going in for T and Top Surgery. Then along comes Chaz Bono. We’re in Full Blown Fad Territory now. And then just when you didn’t think it could get any worse, along come the Yaoi teenyboppers called Aiden and Chad with their Ace bandages and their binders and their packers who are all over YouTube shooting T and soliciting donations for their breast removal surgeries. Next it’ll be on mainstream TV if it isn’t already.

    Another dangerous fad, like cutting, self-harm, anorexia, or crystal meth.

    Our lesbian communities are dwindling, and it's not just because of "butch flight" or FTM's, it's that it's become such a freak show and a travesty out there, that a lot of us would just as soon stay home!

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  137. "Prissy-cult-whatever-"
    you'd read the comments you'd know what it refers to. never mind.

    "excellent display of man-tality."
    if that what's being rational and stuff is called today opposed to bitch-tality i take it as a compliment.... see, you can reverse anything

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  138. just drop it, okay? unless you want me to think you're a total blockhead.

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  139. how nice that we're actually discussing the topic here. if playing games is the most productive you can contribute here i might as well do something useful. like going to sleep or play some. whatevs, been a pleasure.

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  140. "a freak show and a travesty out there, that a lot of us would just as soon stay home!"

    Please *do* stay home.

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  141. hey cultist sissy =)

    I appreciate your comments. You are intelligent and I feel like you feel about alot of this shit.

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  142. Thank god I found this blog, because I was walking around feeling like I had to take responsibility in the world as a man and be a good ally and feminist. I had a protective bubble around me because no one ever spoke the truth to me about their hatred for transpeople. But now I *know* that, in fact, there are real people out there who hate me and distrust me without even knowing me. This has returned me to the state of victimhood I previously occupied when I was perceived as female. Now everything negative I experience can be perceived as a function of my oppression, and I won't have to take responsibility for my actions. I'll *always* be a victim of irrational hate and can therefore be free to turn that hate around on other people. One more reason oppression sucks so bad is that it makes children out of what would have been thinking adults. Awesome.

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  143. cultist sissy =) said...
    how nice that we're actually discussing the topic here. if playing games is the most productive you can contribute here i might as well do something useful. like going to sleep or play some. whatevs, been a pleasure.

    You said you thought it was "funny" for the transabled to discuss commonality with the transgender. You were asked to discuss your judgement and your response was: "Just drop it, okay? unless you want me to think you're a total blockhead."
    Not really an attempt at actual discussion is it?

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  144. DM said...

    "The FTM fad is maybe past its peak, but it's still dangerous. ... Another dangerous fad, like cutting, self-harm, anorexia, or crystal meth."

    Look at this! You have so much in common.

    "The consistency of reduced lifespan for those engaging in homosexuality is significant," said Dr. Cameron. "The same pattern of early death turned up whether we looked at obituaries in the U.S. or deaths in marriage. Given the greatly reduced lifespan for homosexuals, school children should be strongly and consistently warned about the dangers of homosexuality even more so than smoking."

    He's from the Family Research Institute. Go ahead and check this out, feel free to scout Google. You know, so that you can feel like a real hypocrite.

    http://www.traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/statistics_on_homosexual_lifestyle.pdf

    "Given the grim realities of the homosexual lifestyle, it is unwise to promote this behavior in our schools; allow homosexual couples to adopt children or become foster parents; or legalize homosexual marriage. It is a behavior that should be discouraged at all levels of our society — in government, in
    academia, in churches, in education, in the media, and in our homes. Homosexuals are clearly deeply dysfunctional and self-destructive. They deserve our compassion and help, but not our approval for the dangerous behaviors they engage in."

    With 'friends' like you who run around painting other groups of people with the same brush gays are painted with, why does the gay community even need enemies?

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  145. Written by a transsexual:

    http://transabled.org/thoughts/a-comparison-between-transsexuality-and-transableism.htm

    Educate yourself!

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  146. Anon 11:34

    Excellent post.... I concur

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  147. I would just like to see some reputable studies and some statistics from a known, reputable source regarding the "facts" stated in this blog regarding the use and effects of Testosterone, as well as the various other claims made here. You seem so sure of your opinions and claim to be able to "counsel" young people who are questioning or confused, yet you sound so uneducated in what it is to be Transsexual. If you would stop the hate speech and have constructive dialogue with some old school Transmen, you might find that you are in agreement about a lot of things surrounding Butches and Transmen and how they are not even in the same zip code and should never be compared.

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  148. Dirt I dont agree with your blog but I do respect your opinions on it for the simple fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Im not part of the LGB(T?) community but I do support it and its shocking that someone can hate and bash a group of individuals.

    I came across your blog on complete accident and im glad I did because it opened my eyes to some things but I also saw some ignorant posts and comments done by either you Dirt or other people. Im not the type of person who gets into cyber fights or arguments with people unless they can back up their views/opinions in an educated way.

    The whole rape situation is bad and it doesnt matter what gender or what person did it, its just VERY wrong but because a certain person did something bad, it cant mean that we have to automatically hate that whole population.Trans people are humans too and they deserve to be treated equally even if people view them hybrids.

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  149. The only problem with comparing DM to Focus on the Family is that DM is actually right.

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  150. cultist sissy,

    LOL @ saying that calling me a "cis woman" is stating a "biological fact." It is a gender label that I have quite clearly explained does not apply to me. FEMALE is a biological fact, and I am FEMALE.

    I share many of Dirt's grave concerns about the damage of transition on individual women's bodies and on the community of women as a whole, but I at least have enough basic respect for individual human beings to refer to trans people using the gender pronouns they prefer. All I ask for is the same common courtesy returned to me by not being labeled something I am not.

    If you're not willing to do that, then you make yourself into a hypocrite.

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  151. There's no such thing as having a "feminine side" or a "masculine side." Furthermore, there's no "gender spectrum," because gender itself is made-up nonsense.

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  152. @Anon at 10:09pm regarding gender having nothing to do with sexual orientation...EXACTLY!

    So why again is trans attached then to gays and lesbians who ARE defined be sexual orientation?

    And if there are trans people who are gay or lesbian then under the GL they would define themselves as gay or lesbian, NOT trans.

    But one could make the same argument for male and female with regards to trans, once transitioned to the chosen sex, then trans would be dropped in favour of identifying as the chosen sex.

    Yet strangely we still have TRANSmen, TRANSwomen, TRANSmale, TRANSacademics, TRANSidentity and on and on and on.

    If trans actually existed, there would be no need or desire for that matter, once transitioned, to ever use trans again. Funny how that isnt the case though, is it?

    Why is the medical community transitioning people to male or female when clearly it isnt working, they are only creating "trans" people, people who clearly do not feel male or female, but instead feel "trans".

    No wonder this community feels so lonely and isolated, because if you arent a man or a woman, and your trans state is dependent on drug upkeep and surgeries, what exactly are you?

    I wager this is part of why trans stated people co-opt real identities as their own, because theirs has been chemically castrated from them.

    dirt

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  153. Trans people have always existed? Sure, if you go claiming that every gender non-conformist from the distant past was really trans. Seriously, I have seen trans revisionists try to do this with Joan of Arc.

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  154. Anon@10:12pm

    I've never known in my 20+ years in the Butch/Femme community any Butch women who were "threatened" by ftMs either.

    ftMs want to men, Butch women are lesbian women who enjoy being lesbian women. Besides, name one Butch who would give up dating/relating to Femmes! ;)

    Only as lesbians can that unique powerful attraction and relationship occur. There is nothing like it, past, present or future!

    dirt

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  155. Anon at 11:06pm

    Go to BF.com for example, go back to the beginning when the site first began and move up through to current, there are literally tens of thousands of threads/comments, when you are done get back to me with your findings.

    dirt

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  156. DM@11:10

    This isnt just in the US alone, but I cant tell you how many Butches and Femmes I know of and friends of friends have spoken of, globally who have retreated to the "burbs".

    Because the of hatred and threat of us in our own community right now, its become very much like it was in the 50's and 60's where the only safe spaces to congregate were our homes. Where we Butches dont have to be pressured to use male pronouns and Femmes dont have to feel pressured to act like dim-witted hyper feminine dodos catering to their "mans" every need.

    dirt

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  157. Ever see the "cis privilege" checklists floating around the internet? Half of those so-called "cis" privileges are actually male privileges that no woman enjoys. About a quarter more are privileges enjoyed only by the most gender-conforming individuals. Only a few having to do with government documents really apply to any and all "cis" people.

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  158. Dirt said...

    "So why again is trans attached then to gays and lesbians who ARE defined be sexual orientation?"

    Why ask questions that you could easily look up the answers to?

    "The answer is gender. The last time I checked my dictionary, homosexuality had something to do with people of one gender tending to fall in love with people of the same gender. The meaning of homosexuality thus depends on the definition of gender. However much Aravosis might wish to cut the trannies away from the rest of his herd, thereby preserving a place free of gender trouble for just plain gay guys such as himself, that operation isn't conceptually possible. Gender and sexuality are like two lines intersecting on a graph, and trying to make them parallel undoes the very notion of homo-, hetero- or bisexuality."
    — Susan Stryker

    "And if there are trans people who are gay or lesbian then under the GL they would define themselves as gay or lesbian, NOT trans."

    Why would I want to do such a thing when you suggest it? As a feminist *and* a lesbian trans woman, you're an embarrassment to me. You persecute others when both women and lesbians have been persecuted similarly. You exercise censorship of conflicting opinions, including that of women. You are a raging hypocrite, Dirt.

    "If trans actually existed, there would be no need or desire for that matter, once transitioned, to ever use trans again. Funny how that isnt the case though, is it?"

    Because we don't have any rights. Once someone outs any one of us, we are essentially lower than dirt in the US. Third-class citizens, more subhuman to the average American than how most think about gays. You can't fight for your rights without being identified. With this kind of commentary, you show why you are an embarrassment as a feminist. That we want rights as human beings is a concept that no feminist should have any trouble grasping. Trans women are treated as trash, hurt and murdered for daring to identify as women. Doesn't that piss you off as a feminist? If not, take a good hard look at what you stand for.

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  159. Dirt said...

    "Why is the medical community transitioning people to male or female when clearly it isnt working, they are only creating "trans" people, people who clearly do not feel male or female, but instead feel "trans"."

    I assure you, I identify as female. Trans is not a gender in any way, shape, or form. Transition is only the method of getting there, and transsexual is just a term for people who are and have.

    "No wonder this community feels so lonely and isolated, because if you arent a man or a woman, and your trans state is dependent on drug upkeep and surgeries, what exactly are you?"

    That's a whole other matter entirely. There's an answer to this (and it isn't yours), but you treat me like shit for being who I am and I have little interest in helping you while that is the case. If you'd just hook up with one of us who's in the know, you'd realize that you're onto a lot of important issues but your thinking has unfortunately been going the wrong way. I could help you understand so much, but you have no desire to open your mind. You want to keep it closed because we make good scapegoats for you and it's easier to do that when you think of us as less than human. At no point have you had a kind word for a happy trans woman like me.

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  160. Here come the menz to 'splain feminism!

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  161. all you ugly dykes and sexual deviants are going to burn in hell anyway, so just shut the fuck up. No one cares about what you want or feel, because you are worthless mistakes.

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  162. who exactly do you think you are? who are YOU to tell anyone how to live their life?

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  163. dirt do you get laid? i bet you wouldn't have so much time on your hands if a fem could look at you but all she sees is the hate in your heart.Nobody can love you if you dont love yourself.

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  164. Hi,

    I just want to comment "The answer is gender. The last time I checked my dictionary, homosexuality had something to do with people of one gender tending to fall in love with people of the same gender." about the fact that LGB and T might be linked.

    I just want to raise attention to all US and English speaking countries citizen here that it is only in YOUR language that you have a word for gender and a word for the genetalia which are different.
    When the queer theory came to my country, people have to create a new word inspired from the English "gender" to "market" the queer theory in my country.

    So in my country LGB and T are different and your comment does not apply because a L or G person is by definition a person "attracted to the person who has the same genital as she or he is". The attraction is sexual no gender oriented...
    Whereas, we define a T as a person who express the desire to live with the opposite social role and so the person has to be sterilised and have the top bottom surgery for FTM to have the id change - in other words in my country, if you want to be a male, the judges says "ok, show me the balls and you will have new Id".

    That is the reason why we are really considering in my country dropping the T from LGB (and even trans people main speakers ask for it) because we think the issues/struggles are not the same and we feel we have been colonised by ideas (queer theory) coming from the States that mean nothing to us (no offence). There are even countries/languages where the T means nothing because nothing exists like a she or a he in the language (they use a pronoun for human and another for pets/animals) and so the people are naturally open minded about it.

    So I think it is a pity there are those Youtube viral trend because it brings issues only US people have to other countries whose inhabitants live happily (again no offence).

    Note : I live in one of the biggest European countries...

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  165. To add to my above comment and be cristal clear, as my English is not fluent, we define L or G in my country a speople attracted to the genetalia of the same sex and by gentalia we mean primary sexual carateristics. A L is a pussy eater and a G a cork eater (no offence) so with this definition, a woman with a FTM without bottom surgery (for us, the FTM will be legally incomplete) is a lesbian because the partner still have primary women sex caracteristics...

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  166. [who exactly do you think you are? who are YOU to tell anyone how to live their life?]

    Because telling people they're perfect the way they were born is hateful, right?

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  167. Dirt, thank you for letting us have this very important discussion. Regardless of the fact I disagree with almost every thing you say about transpeople, I'm glad you have opened up this forum for us to talk. I can respect that.

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  168. I agree that I was perfect the way I was born. I also agree that I am perfect now. Face it.

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  169. If you wanted to make this blog about feminism, or about self-love, or about educating young transmen about either of the above, I would agree. But negating anybody's identity won't do. It simply won't stand. People are gonna do what they're gonna do. Period. Make it work.

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  170. Even you women who hate men seem to worship men and hate yourselves. Going on and on about "male privlige" you just sound like you have serious penis envy.

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  171. Seriously, I thought the whole point was to prove that xy men did not have the corner on the market of masculinity. Butch women have masculinity, transmen have masculinity. I was excited that "men" would have a whole new face on it. And we do. Now we have men with vaginas and men who are feminist. Do you not see us? Because I see evidence of the new face of masculinity every day, and it's a whole lot more forgiving and wide-open than it was before. I guess I thought transitioning was a major transgression, that it would add to mainstream society's idea of what men were. A major, major fuck-you to the hegemony of biology. But you all are treating us as Benedict Arnolds, when it would serve you better to accept us as allies. In closing, I would like to say a clear and resounding Fuck You to those who decide to not trust us to do the good work. Fuck you.

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  172. i agree that "transmen" are not men, will never be men, and are just women with serious mental illness.

    thank you for this blog, we need to stop these women from a life of lies!

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  173. "I guess I thought transitioning was a major transgression"

    Yes, you are saving us women-folk with your male privilege gained through drugs surgery and deception. Heroic of you!
    You don't undermine. You underLINE and promote sex-based stereotypes and discrimination.

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  174. "Because telling people they're perfect the way they were born is hateful, right?"

    Which is really nothing more than the Christian argument about people being born heterosexual. Are you aware that there is currently less substantial proof for being born gay than there is for being born transsexual? There's a mounting pile of neurological evidence on our side, as well as the fact that there are transsexual born children. Why aren't gays, bisexuals, or anybody else who deviates from societal norms perfectly fine with the way they were born, if we should be?

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  175. women are annoying as fuck, it's just that simple.

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  176. "Here come the menz to 'splain feminism!"

    Even if I were a man, there are more than a few pro-feminist men. Your ignorance is showing.

    "I just want to raise attention to all US and English speaking countries citizen here that it is only in YOUR language that you have a word for gender and a word for the genetalia which are different."

    Gender and sex are both separate, scientific terms. Feminists have had far more to do with the separation and distinction of sex from gender than we ever have. What you're talking about as some kind of new 'queer' thing has been a feminist deal in the US for about forty years now.

    Even then, what I posted above is hardly the only reason that the T is in LGBT. I'm sorry to tell you, but there are far more than that.

    Here's a few:

    1) The gay community has a long history of doing transgender things. It has already been pointed out that protections solely for sexual orientations would not necessarily legally cover gays who deviate from their gender norm. Which includes butch lesbians like Dirt, ironically enough.

    2) Both sides are constantly attacked by mutual enemies in the United States, and for the same reason. We both want inalienable rights that we should all have as human beings. Even if the T weren't publicly included, it would still be more than practical for us to work together. Our enemies have made us friends, so to speak.

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  177. "i agree that "transmen" are not men, will never be men, and are just women with serious mental illness.

    thank you for this blog, we need to stop these women from a life of lies!"

    No, it's you who needs to accept that transmen exist. That we are accepted as men in the world. The condition of "male" and "female" has forever been changed. Deal with it.

    Nothing you can do or say will change the fact the fact that I am a man. It cracks me up that you all are fighting to protect a line of demarcation that doesn't even exist anymore. How much more useless could you be?

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  178. (If you are in fact doing so, you can quit deleting my posts now. Dirt is the one who made open days. If you're just going to moderate them, then they're not open days are they? I'm sorry you find the contents hard to deal with, but your thinking was flawed before I started pointing it out.)

    "Here come the menz to 'splain feminism!"

    Even if I were a man, there are more than a few pro-feminist men. Your ignorance is showing.

    "I just want to raise attention to all US and English speaking countries citizen here that it is only in YOUR language that you have a word for gender and a word for the genetalia which are different."

    Gender and sex are both separate, scientific terms. Feminists have had far more to do with the separation and distinction of sex from gender than we ever have. What you're talking about as some kind of new 'queer' thing has been a feminist deal in the US for about forty years now.

    Even then, what I posted above is hardly the only reason that the T is in LGBT. I'm sorry to tell you, but there are far more than that.

    Here's a few:

    1) The gay community has a long history of doing transgender things. It has already been pointed out that protections solely for sexual orientations would not necessarily legally cover gays who deviate from their gender norm. Which includes butch lesbians like Dirt, ironically enough.

    2) Both sides are constantly attacked by mutual enemies in the United States, and for the same reason. We both want inalienable rights that we should all have as human beings. Even if the T weren't publicly included, it would still be more than practical for us to work together. Our enemies have made us friends, so to speak.

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  179. Being trans is all about DECEPTION. If you are "accepted as male in the world" it's because you DECIEVE people into thinking that.

    Underneath all those male clothes is a VAGINA and BOOBS. You cannot change this and have to live with this until you die. DEAL WITH IT. Taking testosterone does not make you a man. It makes you a woman on drugs.

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  180. "Because telling people they're perfect the way they were born is hateful, right?"

    [Which is really nothing more than the Christian argument about people being born heterosexual.]

    Uhh, the Xtians that say we are all born perfect regardless of sexual orientation? Yes there are some. Your implication that all Xtians think alike is disturbing. Many gays and lesbians are Xtian. What is your argument here?

    [Are you aware that there is currently less substantial proof for being born gay than there is for being born transsexual? There's a mounting pile of neurological evidence on our side,]

    There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that people are born to take steroids and surgery.

    [as well as the fact that there are transsexual born children.]

    Well there are gender-nonconforming children. Children that you would drug and mutilate to "cure" their "birth defect", rather than accepting them the way God made them.

    [Why aren't gays, bisexuals, or anybody else who deviates from societal norms perfectly fine with the way they were born, if we should be?]

    They are! And they don't drug and cut to be something else!

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  181. "Anonymous said...
    women are annoying as fuck, it's just that simple.

    November 6, 2010 3:59 AM"

    To those that hate women that is true I suppose. For females drowned in self hatred that is truly sad.

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  182. I love how I'm being moderated and censored on open day because you can't handle any real facts. I'm guessing these open days will be a thing of the past real soon.

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  183. [The condition of "male" and "female" has forever been changed.]

    Sex is not a "condition". Male Supremacy is a "condition".
    Sex is biological science which remains unchanged by your sexism and femphobia.

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  184. "Yes, you are saving us women-folk with your male privilege gained through drugs surgery and deception. Heroic of you!
    You don't undermine. You underLINE and promote sex-based stereotypes and discrimination."

    No, you are full of shit.
    I deceive nobody, and I come out to everybody-provided they are good enough friends to be worth some element of truth. And honestly, I don't owe you anything. Given the amount of distrust that's placed on transmen, I would not blame any one of us who refuses to argue the feminist point of view amongst men. Who needs it? If the feminists abandon us out of sheer mistrust, what's left to us but to blend in and get along? Fuck you. We could have been useful, but every person needs to assert their right to live. You make this schism wider.

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  185. "No, you are full of shit.
    I deceive nobody, and I come out to everybody-provided they are good enough friends to be worth some element of truth. And honestly, I don't owe you anything. Given the amount of distrust that's placed on transmen, I would not blame any one of us who refuses to argue the feminist point of view amongst men. Who needs it? If the feminists abandon us out of sheer mistrust, what's left to us but to blend in and get along? Fuck you. We could have been useful, but every person needs to assert their right to live. You make this schism wider."

    Uhhh women who pretend they are men and take drugs and surgery to keep up the deception?

    Women who dispute the fact that females including themselves are capable of every gender expression and state of mind?

    Women that insist that some states of mind and states of being are only possible if one is a man?

    You could have been useful to women and feminists how exactly?

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  186. The trans fad has taken place mostly in what's known as the "western world" - North America, W. Europe, Australia, etc. The masculine stereotypes the FtM's mimic are all cultural, there is nothing biological about it. Nobody was "born in the wrong body."

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  187. [Uhh, the Xtians that say we are all born perfect regardless of sexual orientation? Yes there are some. Your implication that all Xtians think alike is disturbing. Many gays and lesbians are Xtian. What is your argument here?]

    No, not regardless of sexual orientation. They believe that people are always born straight. The vast majority of Christians and practically all of their activism groups do not believe that people are born gay.

    [There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that people are born to take steroids and surgery.]

    Only testosterone is a steroid, in case you weren't aware. There are several solid neurological studies that show transsexuals have similar brain setups to the opposite gender. I'd be glad to provide some linkage, but Dirt really hates any facts that disagree with her fragile opinions.

    If making our bodies more congruent with our brains is what it takes for us to be happy, productive human beings, then who the hell are you to tell me what I can and cannot do as an grown adult to be happy with myself? Get real!

    [Well there are gender-nonconforming children. Children that you would drug and mutilate to "cure" their "birth defect", rather than accepting them the way God made them.]

    Did I ever say I'd advocate such a thing? The vast majority of psychologists will not transition anybody until they are 18.

    I will say that no child should be forced to live a life that they hate. I did it, and it wasn't fun. I wanted to kill myself.

    Additionally, there's not a shred of evidence in the Bible to suggest that God made people homosexual.

    [They are! And they don't drug and cut to be something else!]

    The point was that they have no proof they are born that way. For that matter, why isn't Dirt happy with being feminine? Why did she choose to be butch? Do you see the breakdown in your flawed logic now?

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  188. "Sex is not a "condition". Male Supremacy is a "condition"."

    No, "sex" has been transgressed. You may choose to live within those boundaries, but I see no meaning in it. And I have transgressed those boundaries and am seen as male every day. You would defend the hormone levels given to us at birth, but I see them as mutable.

    I agree that male supremacy is a condition and I fight against it every day. With every ounce of my being. Because I don't believe in the system that has falsely placed one kind above another. You could view us as allies, but you choose to view us as defectors. So, fuck you.

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  189. Some Lesbians on here (like myself) are here because we've seen friends "transition." In my case, the person is more messed up than before. I didn't say what I really thought at that time, mostly because of ingrained political correctness. I don't hate anybody, especially not that messed up friend.

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  190. To the Anon @ Nov 6, 2010 2:15 AM,

    interesting your comment : queer theory have blurred the boundaries between "sexual orientation" (based on the first and secondary sex characteristics a person is attracted to) and "gender oriented sexuality" (based on the gender of the partner as self-defined by the partner).

    So we come to a confusing era where:
    * a woman can have sex with a FTM and self-defines herself as lesbian (because the FTM still has a pussy)
    * and the same time, another woman will have sex with a FTM and will be defined as straight by her partner(because the FTM self-defines his gender as male).

    So the question are :
    *who defines the sexual orientation of a person ?
    * and how is defined the sexual orientation of a person ?
    * is the sexual orientation based on the sexual characterics she is attracted to ?
    * And in this case, can we consider, as today, that the medical staff is providing realistic enough male sexual characteristics to FTM candidate (through hormon or surgeries) to have them belonging to the opposite or not ?
    * or is her sexual orientation based on the gender her FTM partner thinks he belongs to ?

    @ Dirt, and other commenters, here is a challenge : try to answer those questions because in these questions lies the root cause of the conflict between the T and the LGB...

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  191. Ftm's don't mimic masculinity. They *have* it. Butches mimic masculinity and it always reeks of bullshit, because it's always based on the worst characteristics/dress/mannerisms of men. Ftm's experience an actual male puberty and their experience is chemically authentic. Regardless of whether it comes from their balls or comes from a glass jar, the chemical is the same.

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  192. FTMs are NOT men. You do not have sperm or semen, MALE REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS.

    If you think having facial hair from taking synthetic testosterone somehow makes you a man...you have so many problems it's insane.

    These women must be stopped and given the help they need. It's so sad and they don't even realise it.

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  193. [Being trans is all about DECEPTION. If you are "accepted as male in the world" it's because you DECIEVE people into thinking that.]

    There's no need to froth at the mouth there. I don't wake up and go, "Hmm, how will I deceive people today?" I look, act, think, and feel just like a woman. At this point, I've been accepted as such by numerous women both online and off, including all of my female co-workers and my wife. That includes many lesbians as well. If I'm woman enough for all kinds of women and happy with who I am, then your shitty opinion is meaningless.

    [Underneath all those male clothes is a VAGINA and BOOBS. You cannot change this and have to live with this until you die. DEAL WITH IT. Taking testosterone does not make you a man. It makes you a woman on drugs.]

    It's not about physically being identical to the opposite gender. We realize that such a thing is impossible. It's about helping yourself feel more comfortable with the body you have. Even then, the physical aspects aren't all that makes one's gender. If this has taught me anything at all, the internal person is what really matters.

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  194. If an alien would come to planet earth and has in front of him a bio male, a female and a trans-guy on hormon on T pre-op (90% of the transguys belong to this category). He would probably conclude that there is 3 sort of human beings :
    1/ one with 100% female primary and secondary sexual characteristics
    2/ one with secondary male characteristics and primary female characteristics
    3/ one with primary and secondary male characteristics

    He will also conclude that 1/+3/ is giving babies most of the time.

    Whereas any of the union combination 1/+2/ or 2/+3/ will not be based on reproduction needs...

    Then as the alien will not speak our languages, based on his conclusion, he will probably imagine that the 2/ type has a social interaction roles only inhabitants of the Planet Earth can figure out....

    Or only queer theorists :D

    Or maybe not ? ;)

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  195. FtM's kid themselves that they are men, but in reality they are masquerading as men. Even if they take "T" and have an enlarged clit (what is referred to on their YouTube videos as "dick growth,") they don't count as men.

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  196. I'm sorry, we just don't enjoy seeing young women pumped and bloated full of steroids and drugs, hacked apart by surgeons robbing them blind, etc etc.

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