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Wednesday, September 8, 2010

STOP TRANS PATHOLOGIZATION 2012









TGEU supports the "Stop Trans Pathologization 2012"-campaign of the Trans Depathologization-Network.

Looks like the movement to have GID removed from the DSM in 2013 by the trans community worldwide is moving forward. While many of you, like me, know and understand that the trans disorder is just that (a disorder), until the medical community and the general public fully understand, this is an area we need to support the trans community in.


The removal of GID from the DSM will stop the medical community from being able to diagnose GID, therefore relieve them being able to "treat" (issue drugs/surgeries) for it. This will also put a halt on those who are using national health care systems and medical insurance companies from maintaining the drugs they're on or surgeries scheduled at that time. This will also put a stop to the pathologizing of gender play in children that are being diagnosed with GID (as young as 3) and having a "transgender" label slapped on them for playing with "boy/girl" toys, most of which whom would never develop the disorder in the first place.


The removal of GID isnt going to stop men and women from developing a body dysmorphic disorder, it will however force the medical community to find alternative non medical ways of treating it, i.e. mentally.

I will keep you informed on these developments as I get them, please do the same. 


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  1. I still don't know what to think about this, but I really appreciate your updates. Suppose for me it really depends on the actual technical difference between GID and body dysmorphic disorder -- what real difference does it actually make if they use BDD to get the insurance companies to pay for their surgeries rather than GID? They still get it paid for, and they still have surgery.

    International Network for Trans Despathologization
    We demand:
    1. The retirement of GID from the international diagnosis manuals (their next versions
    DSM-V and ICD-11)
    2. The retirement of sex mention in the official documents
    3. The abolition of the binary normalization treatments to intersex people
    4. Free access to hormonal treatments and surgery (without the psychiatric monitoring)
    5. The fight against transphobia: working for education, social and labour insertion for
    trans people


    What do they mean by #2? Does that mean they want everyone to use somebody's "gender" rather than "biological sex"? Aggreeing with that seems like the wrong path to me, Dirt. Biological sex is the one thing, the only thing, they cannot hide from. Why would I let them hide behind whatever gender they prefer?

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  2. The removal of GID isnt going to stop men and women from developing a body dysmorphic disorder, it will however force the medical community to find alternative non medical ways of treating it, i.e. mentally.


    How do you end up with that? I'm really confused as to how you wound up with your conclusion, sorry, could you explain your reasoning?

    Because the way I understand it, mere physical ailments are always treated medically, never with psychoanalyis. Removing the mental disorder eliminates all possibliity of transgendered individuals ever having therapy or any other form of psychological help. When a sane person goes to the doctor for a missing body part, they don't send you to a psychiatrist, they send you to a doctor who gives you a new body part, no questions asked.

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  3. Miss Andrea,

    Gender issues do not currently reside under BDD. In order for BDD to be diagnosed for someone suffering from a gender issue, the DSM would have to change the symptoms of BDD to include gender issues.

    What happened when the public and medical community caught up to Freeman and his icepick lobotomies? When he and this "treatment" were halted? The medical community had to find new ways of treating the issues of those who would have received lobotomies, such as: clinical depression, manic depression, aggressiveness, nervous breakdowns, sexual traumas, shell shock from trauma etc.

    Granted some of those were/are treated with pharmaceuticals, but a great many more were/are treated with therapy.

    I know removing GID isnt going to put a stop to the adult white upper middle classes from paying for drugs/surgeries, but it will put a serious damper on the young (whom this fad is seriously effecting now) from obtaining drugs/surgeries. Not to mention sparring children from being diagnosed, then murdered through transition.

    I'm not a dreamer Miss Andrea, I know only the total eradication of misogyny will completely rid the world of the trans (and associated)disorder(s), but I am hopeful that were GID removed from the DSM, some lives would be spared/saved from the agony of transition (which we both know never occurs anyways).

    dirt

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  4. {DIRT: Not sure if Blogger conked out, so this comment might only be a repeat of what was just sent, so use your discretion when approving this one]

    What happened when the public and medical community caught up to Freeman and his icepick lobotomies? When he and this "treatment" were halted? The medical community had to find new ways of treating the issues of those who would have received lobotomies

    Okay thanks Dirt, now I understand where you got your conclusion, and yet, in the example which you're using as the reference point, the reason doctors stopped lobotomies was that they realized lobotomies were the wrong way to treat a mental illness. The source of the patient's aganst was still assumed to be mental -- and that is not necessarily the case here.

    Oh! Do you mean that if doctors think that trans are feeling like they are in the wrong body, then the doctors will believe this is a mental health issue rather than a physical ailment? Common sense would indicate that to be true, so I see where you get your conclusion, and yet I have zero faith that the medical establish has suddenly decided that radical feminists have been right all along and that gender isn't "real" in the sense doctors have been assuming up til now.

    Reading past the transgendered interpretations of Dr. Zucker, who is the chair for the new DSM-5, it seems he does think "males are like this and females are like that" but he doesn't believe anyone needs different body parts or to claim that they are a different gender.

    I guess it comes down to that I don't trust trans at all because they've been very clever over the years in how they slowly reframe absolutely everything to support their own twisted ideology. That is just my own opinion of course but if my only choices are limited to the lessor of two evils then it sounds like I'd rather support Dr. Zucker -- and if Zucker is agreeing with their demands than no controversy actually exists.

    I still don't know what to think, as you can see. :) But the one thing which is clear is that trans do seem to be opposed to Dr. Zucker, and I can only suspect that there exists some bit of fact of which I am unaware. It seems like the new DSM-5 designation is intended to be a pardigm shift, but in what direction it is moving is impossible to predict at this time.

    Anyway, I appreciate all that you do Dirt, the information which you provide is extremely helpful.

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  5. Part of the problem is that the psychiatric establishment doesn't distinguish between discomfort with one's expected gender role and discomfort with one's body. It pathologizes both.

    Zucker insists that parents need to impose conventional masculinity on their sons or conventional femininity on their daughters. No room for tomboys in his world.

    Most of the so-called trans kids aren't trans, and don't grow up with the body issues of transsexualism. They are just boys who like dresses and have been told that only girls can wear dresses, or girls who like to climb trees and have been told that only boys can climb trees.

    Once our society accepts that it's perfectly normal for boys to like dresses or girls to like to climb trees, then most of these kids should be happy.

    I think we all need to depathologize butchness, and sissiness, and all the other ways for a woman to be a woman or a man to be a man. If that requires depathologizing transsexualism too, then so be it.

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  6. Thank you very much Anonymous, that was very helpful, except this bit was a little confusing:

    I think we all need to depathologize butchness, and sissiness, and all the other ways for a woman to be a woman or a man to be a man. If that requires depathologizing transsexualism too, then so be it.

    I'm not understanding what you mean by "depatholgize transsexualism" in that context. It isn't possible for two conflicting ideas to be true at the same time, so the idea that "it is sane to express whatever character trait anyone wants in the body they were born with" cannot co-exist with "it is sane to believe that one is in the wrong body when one desires to express traits commonly associated with a different biological sex". Those two concepts remain in direct conflict with each other, and only of them can be true at the same time.

    So when someone says "oh let's depathologize everything", it makes no sense.

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  7. I have a bit of information for you. Not everyone in the transgender community (the whole thing, not just transsexuals) agrees that GID should completely be removed from the DSM. In fact, I (a transman) prefer the middle ground of the proposed revision. Said revision would be called "gender incongruence," and its description would include the correct terms and pronouns, and be all together more respectful of transpeople. We have no qualms with people who choose to undergo breast augmentation, or folks who dye their hair, both for non-lifesaving reasons. In the majority of cases, hormones and surgery are the only things that save transpeople from suicide. Gender dysphoria affects everyday life in a negative way, which is what makes transgenderism a disorder (in technical terms), but the mind is where one's consciousness is located, where the person inside is. Would you change any facet of the core of your being and existence? I didn't think so. But if you could change your body to see yourself as you in a way you recognize, I would bet the money I don't have that you would. But you don't need to. The mere existence of your body in its current form doesn't cause you physical pain. Unless you're a self-hating closeted transperson, in which case, I'm sorry you have to go through this, and I hope you get a chance to set yourself free. Truly. Thank you for the opportunity to erase hate with this message, and I'm sorry for it being so stream-of-consciousness-like.

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  8. Peython, it seems to be a frequent occurrance that whenever someone doesn't agree with absolutely everything an individual transperson believes, one accusation that comes up is "you're forgetting that we are individuals". But if I'm addressing a widespread belief within the transcommunity and you don't hold that belief, then why assume I'm talking about you? Everything isn't always about Peython. We're not talking about Pethon's individual beliefs, we're talking about common ideas within the trans community as a whole, and of course your opinions about yourself are fascinating to you. Do you understand that I am not fascinated by the special snowflakiness which is Pethon, nor do I have any obligation to be?

    Instead of trying to make the conversation all about Peython, how about addressing ideas which are common within the transgendered community as a whole? Can you do that, or do we need to discuss Peython some more?

    In the majority of cases, hormones and surgery are the only things that save transpeople from suicide.

    For thousands of years many people have felt extremely uncomfortable in the strict gender role they were assigned at birth. To increase their comfort, radical feminists propose the radical the idea that anybody can express whatever they want in they body they were born with, while the transgendered community encourages them to mutilate their bodies in an effort to conform. If the loudest people in the trans community have their way, every new generation will spend their entire lives conforming to ridiculous standards instead of just changing the standards.

    Would you change any facet of the core of your being and existence? I didn't think so. But if you could change your body to see yourself as you in a way you recognize, I would bet the money I don't have that you would. But you don't need to.

    Fact is, you don't know what I or any other female do to conform, but we do know that you make lots of assumptions about individuals.

    Forgive me, for I'm a very logical and observant female.

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  9. Damn, another stupid conference.
    Andrea, I so agree with you: "
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    "For thousands of years many people have felt extremely uncomfortable in the strict gender role they were assigned at birth. To increase their comfort, radical feminists propose the radical the idea that anybody can express whatever they want in they body they were born with, while the transgendered community encourages them to mutilate their bodies in an effort to conform."

    It is the gender ROLES that I was opposed to, which in turn made me hate my body, because I wanted to have the power my brother, father and grandfather had, the power of the male heroes like Captain Kirk, Superman, Batman, ect.had and not the Lois Lane like helplessness women are expected to take on, or even so of Lt. Uhura/Nurse Chapel with their very short dresses, and conventional "I'm afraid" responses and roles(Nurse/Operator). As much as Lt. Uhura was groundbreaking as a black female, the ONLY females recognized were feminine ones, and I was a pariah all my life because I REJECTED femininity.

    I wanted the POWER and ACCESS to opportunities and fun things that men and boys had, climbing trees, riding bikes, leading the gang into the alleyways which I did, and the RESPECT, which I often had to physically fight for against the boys to take my place, but every little boy and man sees girls and women as LESS THAN, so it's no wonder so many nonconforming female youth, even to this day, with the backlash against feminism, ect. WANTS TO BE A DUDE!

    Like Dirt says, remove sexism, violence against women and ALL FORMS OF MISOGYNY against women, and those who are not macho privileged males, and you remove much of the need to want or need to become the opposite the sex.
    -MasterAmazon

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  10. "what real difference does it actually make if they use BDD to get the insurance companies to pay for their surgeries rather than GID?"

    An essential part of the BDD diagnosis is that the patient's dysphoria is based in delusion. Insurance companies would never pay for unnecessary surgery on a delusional patient (which would qualify as medical malpractice).

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  11. Me too Amazon. But I was severely punished for the slightest move away from a submissive servant role, and my family was dead frickin exuberant with their retribution.

    In my case, they shouldn't have tried so hard, as it was obvious to me at a very early age that gender was just a performance. Yet it was equally clear the ENTIRE world seemed to not only go along with that agenda, but also had it's own methods of reinforcement. Life was very depressing... and it still is, because most women don't seem to have the desire to identify the bullshit for what it is. I just want to scream at them most days "wake up the exit is that way so let's go".

    @Rachel. Thanks, but now it really doesn't make any sense. Why would the trans want the mental illness removed if it's not really removed and now they don't get insurance money? Maybe I should stop expecting them to make sense. lol

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