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Monday, July 12, 2010

The Trans Mantra-When in doubt ATTACK

I've just received a link to this video made by an obviously VERY upset trans(boy), who while preaching love and acceptance urges a call to all trans(men) to attack me/this blog. While I have received quite few hate/misogynistic comments in the last few days such as these to quote a handful:

The butch/femme community in the lesbians world makes me want to fucking puke. Butches: stop crying and chop your tits off. You know you want to, so grow up and do it. No one likes a man with boobs. Not you, not your girlfriend. Femmes: You're straight, go suck a dick and get a life.

wow it sounds like someone put on their KKK under-roos this morning. This blog has so many inconsistency's it sounds like a MAN wrote it.

Seems to me more than anything the hate I seem to find on this topic is represented by lesbians.
i find this blog horrifying and incredibly hateful. this blog rides the line of internet bullying, which is a fucking crime. we'll be watching.

you have a lot of this religious junk in your head, and you can't enjoy propoerly your sexual relationships. you are sick and you will go to hell.

Another man hating lesbian...

very transphobic female, very disappointed.

Calm down and go find yourself a smokin' hot girl (or boy) to fuck. That always makes me feel better when I'm out of sorts. 

YOU SHOULDN'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ONLINE especially if it is a blog by some stereotypical man hating stupid ass dyke ruining it for the normal lesbians who can function in society! Thanks bitch!
Choke on my trans dick and die bitch.

You my dear are just another woman hating man. Get back on your Harley, fix your faux hawk and stick your short stubby fingers up your ass. 

Ugly though they are, misogynistic and anti-female/feminist though they are, none were a call to arms such as this video is. But what most of these types of comments and this video do have in common is the belief that one can preach peace while calling for war!

And one has to wonder doesn't one, if this blog is so full of  "shit" and misinfo" why the desperateness and urgency to create a video (while driving no less) aimed at silencing me through trans force? If this trans(boy) and those like them are so happy and comfortable with their new found selves, why the need to silence a dissenting voice? If trans identity is so grounded, why is it so hell bent on the pathological need that every person alive subscribe to some trans mass delusion? And why is it the trans attacks and forms of trans threats/violence are only ever directed and executed at women/lesbians/radical lesbian feminist?

This shit is the same shit that women have been dealing with for centuries, men and now trans(men) trying to silence the voices of women. Were there not any truth to my posts the video in question would not have been made, and the fact that it was, speaks fucking volumes!

Misogyny-alive and attacking

dirt-proud Butch WOMAN!

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79 comments:

  1. It's very sad to see your transphobic posts as a member of the queer/lesbian community. You clearly know nothing about FTM's and have no evidence for the bullshit things you claim about testosterone and the like. It sad that you equate yourself with feminism it is a disgrace to those of us who are true feminists and lesbians and who know what equality means. I'm sure you would be singing a different tune if I were to make a blog about how butch lesbians are bullshit and rapists and unattractive to anyone. Time to grow up (dirt) the (feminist).

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  2. First, I am not a part of any "queer" or lesbian community.

    Second feminism has little to do with "equality" in the general sense, and everything to do with dismantling the patriarchal systems used to abuse, destroy, self destroy (such as you seen with trannyism and other BDD's), control, keep apart women from each other etc.

    Disseminating info that the trans community prefers to keeps hidden, isnt "transphobic", it is RESPONSIBLE!

    dirt

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  3. your blog would be better if it was more pro-butch and less anti-ftm. there is enough space in the queer community, and in the world, for all of us. we can't afford this kind of horizontal hostility in the GLBTQ community.

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  4. You get a lot of "unnatural levels of testosterone in a female body" rage (and other kinds of gender mis-imagination) directed at you, Dirt, and I'm glad you stand so strongly against it and keep going.

    I have to point out that normal, healthy butches (and femmes) don't always agree with everything you say. I certainly don't. Yet we manage to either just let it slide when it's not important enough to bring up, or just bring it up if we do feel it's important enough.

    We don't have to threaten your life. We don't have to try to get others to tear you down. And you know, me myself, when I come across a website that makes me upset (like all the "trans=health" lie sites), I just don't go there any longer.

    Imagine that! Better things to do with my time.

    But that's the real issue for folks who are still buying into the "trans" lie. They are hurting, and they want to stop hurting. They've bought the trans-lie that hurting your body and brain will make that hurt go away. But it doesn't. It only makes you even more different than you were before, but who wants to deal with that? So there's this whole psychological song-and-dance one has to do, with and at as many others as possible, to try to force everyone else to also believe the lie. Because if we all believe the lie, then it's true - right?

    Uh, sorry... no.

    The pain people drawn to "trans" stuff feel is real. I know that from first hand experience. But dealing with it by trying to cut/drug it away doesn't work, and it also prevents you from becoming stronger in yourself and learning from your life experience as a consequence of REALLY dealing with your pain and who caused it and so on.

    The harsher the hate and lashing out, the more hurt there is behind it.

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  5. Anon,

    First, I do both, which had you bothered to read this blog is clear.

    Second, I am not a part of any alphabet soup.

    dirt

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  6. Nat,

    Thats it isnt it, if you dont like the channel, turn it off, real simple. But hopped up on drugs, clearly it isnt that simple. When your whole "new" identity is dependent upon everyone buying into it and someone doesnt, circuit over load.

    And you make a very smart point with regards to the hate. The hurt and sadness in so many of the trans videos out there is frightening. I've seen so many in tears or near tears proclaiming at the same time how happy they are now in an utter depressed tone.

    dirt

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  7. Hi Dirt

    I've read all of your blog now and your anger is palpable. May I ask why you feel such rage towards FTM's? I totally understand you don't agree with the process of people transitioning and also believe that certain groups (the medical profession etc) lie for various reasons. I'm just not quite clear why you take this so personally and then direct your anger towards transpeople?

    I've really enjoyed all of the positive information I've found on this blog in support of Butches and imagine how supported and validated they must feel. I'm just not quite sure why there is this need for 'us versus them'. Not to say that groups don't need their own space, but last time I checked, both lesbians and trans communities were being marginalised and discriminated against by society.

    I think that in life in general, we achieve the most, when we look at the things that connect us to others, rather than the things that tear us apart and cause division.

    Best
    Christina

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  8. Like Nat, also don't agree with Dirt on everything and we have quite interesting debates on a number of issues (and methods used). But, as feminists/activists we know that not everyone is going to agree on everything and the strength is in debate and challenging each other. It's when we stop challenging, reviewing, critiquing, investigating and listening, we stagnate and progress stops on the feminist path.

    The younger bloggers won't remember and probably will not have been exposed to Radical Feminism until now. Radical Feminism is in your face, is not polite, it is loud and ‘abrasive’. Getting angry about the issues raised is a good thing because it starts dialogue, makes us review the status quo and challenges us to think beyond our boundaries.

    FA x

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  9. Well Christina,

    Glad you got some positive things from some of the posts. Too bad you cannot see past the bullshit floating in front of your eyes blinding you to how misogyny has been the divide, not individual voices such as my own which actually go to closing the gaps, not creating them.

    Thats also a wonderful rodney king impersonation, but underneath the "why cant we all just get along" is pure apathy, apathy that sadly is responsible for the mutilation and murders of far too many hurt men and women.

    When Elie Wiesel was asked about his feelings towards the nazi's after the war he said he understood the nazi's, that they made sense to him, what he couldnt comprehend, what made no sense to him, were the "bystanders".

    dirt

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  10. "When Elie Wiesel was asked about his feelings towards the nazi's after the war he said he understood the nazi's, that they made sense to him, what he couldnt comprehend, what made no sense to him, were the "bystanders".

    Ok, so if in this analogy the medical profession and drug companies are the nazis, why not direct the anger at them?? Because after all, surely it follows that people who are encouraged / coaxed into transition, are the equivalent of inmates in Auschwitz or Dachau? Following from your analogy then, these people are the victims, not the perpetrators and so surely deserve some compassion? I am confused about why you seem so angry at transpeople themselves!

    I am genuinely interested in your reasoning behind this and am not in any way trying to enrage you.

    Christina

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  11. Bystanders are the issue Christina, those who stand on the side lines and allow the seething patriarchal hatred of women to continue without question and often with encouragement that creates this off shoot trans identity in some scared, seriously hurt people that the patriarchal medical community feels it must then TRASNform into something passable to the general public.

    And I have no "anger" towards anyone, so I'm not sure where that is coming from unless you are TrANSferring.

    dirt

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  12. Christina,

    Are you familiar with Rush's 2112 1976 album? Half the tracks are based on some Ayn Rand concepts regarding her "individualism"...

    In this song the speaker discovers a guitar which have long since been banned. The speaker brings his find to those in charge...


    "I know it's most unusual
    To come before you so
    But I've found an ancient miracle
    I thought that you should know
    Listen to my music
    And hear what it can do
    There's something here as strong as life
    I know that it will reach you

    Yes, we know, it's nothing new
    It's just a waste of time
    We have no need for ancient ways
    The world is doing fine
    Another toy will help destroy
    The elder race of man
    Forget about your silly whim
    It doesn't fit the plan

    I can't believe you're saying
    These things just can't be true
    Our world could use this beauty
    Just think what we might do
    Listen to my music
    And hear what it can do
    There's something here as strong as life
    I know that it will reach you

    Don't annoy us further!
    We have our work to do
    Just think about the average
    What use have they for you?
    Another toy will help destroy
    The elder race of man
    Forget about your silly whim
    It doesn't fit the Plan!"

    dirt

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  13. "Truth is violently opposed before it is accepted as self evident -
    1. First, it is ridiculed.
    2. Second, it is violently opposed.
    3. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident." - Dr. Mercola online newsletter of 7/13/10
    Mercola quoted Arthur Schopenhauser, a German philosopher who died in 1860!!
    Looks like you're okay to me, Dirt! Oh, by the way, trannies - ever heard of "freedom of speech" -read the Constituion of the UNITED States of America. Get an education, peace-lovers!!!!

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  14. Anon,

    This makes me think of Breton's Nadja: "Beauty will be convulsive or will not be at all."

    or Kafka's " a book should serve as an ex for the frozen see within us"...

    dirt

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  15. I see how you only used the last of my comment about the faux hawk, etc. but you didn't use the part about the fact that you picked on what you thought were ugly transmen and didn't use any of the cute guys at all. Does that put a damper in your blog? The fact that there are cute transmen? Make your blog about your butch identity. Don't trash the transguy community. I don't see you bashing Male to Female transwomen. Why? Because they aren't a threat to you. I don't want you to die, that's harsh. What I am saying to you is that you're only using bits and pieces that you want in your blog and not the whole truth. Your truth is a little warped.

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  16. dirtywhiteboi67 thats your email adress right?

    definition of BOI!


    1. in the lesbian community, a young transgendered/androgynous/masculine person who is biologically female and presents themselves in a young, boyish way; a boidyke; often also identifies as genderqueer


    so even you refer to yourself as male.

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  17. Anon,

    I quoted what was relevant to the post at hand. With regard to attractive trans(men) are you implying those used are unattractive/ugly? Funny I didnt find them to be so, yet you a trans person do. Hmmm...

    And last I checked it is a free country, if you do not like a webpage you have the freedom to go to/read pages that you do or simply turn your PC off and read a nice book.

    dirt

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  18. The other anon,

    Boi was a term created and utilized by young dykes before gay men co-opted the term for themselves.

    It is also quite obviously a spin on this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ph9Qf7Dr8s

    dirt

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  19. I whole heartily agree with the anonymous who spoke about "truth". You definitely have a way of getting underneath folks skin, which says to me if there wasn't any truth to your blog folks would not be so up in arms and angry over it. I mean are these same folks writing to anti-abortion blogs and christian fundamentalist blogs spewing the same venomous contemptuous comments?

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  20. i'm glad to finally see someone sticking up for us butches and calling out some many problems going on in our community right now.

    and dirt hang in there and remember galileo whose considered the father of modern science was tried by the inquisition when he dared to put the sun at the center of everything instead of the earth. i'm glad someone is daring, it gives me courage and hope.

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  21. We represent the Lollipop Guild
    The Lollipop Guild, the Lollipop Guild
    And in the name of the Lollipop Guild
    We wish to welcome you to Munchkin Land

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  22. By leaving my annoyed comment on your last FTM blog, it wasn't that you are voicing your opinion, it was that a lot of that information was false
    and if you want me to be specific I will list the things you wrote that actually aren't true

    I didn't start testosterone for a magical cure to all my problems - feeling like a boy trapped in a girls body was merely one of them, and I put that right, living as a male I can honestly say I'm completely comfortable.
    and I think any other transguy will say the same.

    what bothers me is that if a person is on the edge of transitioning, then reads your blogs, they may be instantly scared and back away, when transitioning could really be what they need

    I know that if I had read that post a couple years ago it would have really scared me

    and transguys have made angry comments about the blog perhaps because it isn't nice to be portrayed in a bad/untrue light! not because they feel insecure about their trans life

    Please respond because I would like to know if you TRUELY think transitioning isn't suited for ANYBODY at all

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  23. Dear Lew,

    Everything in that post is documented by the ftM/trans community, they are the facts as they are known right now.

    And too bad you didnt happen upon here a few years ago, maybe you would have been of the mindset then to comprehend exactly between "feeling like a boy", (feeling being the operative word) and actually BEING one(which you still are not). You may no longer be a woman, but you arent a man either, you will ALWAYS till you take your last breath (which sadly "T" hastens)be a female. There isnt anything you can ever do in this world in your human form to change that. Passing is tenuous, it means nothing. I've passed for male since age 3, never changed the fact that I'm female.

    And no I do not advocate any form of transition, transition is pseudo-science(eugenics), something created/constructed in a lab. It is bandaid medicine utilized by the medical community to maintain the status quo. But there are enough horror stories and tragedies behind the closed trans community doors to fill a small library, stories about the horrors of surgeries that are minimally not up to snuff to surgeries that have literally crippled folks permanently and stories how after everything, the drugs the multiple surgeries the trans voice cheering folks on, some still commit suicide.

    Now if you would like I will screencap some of these stories, stories straight from the horses mouths and post them on my blog. Stories the trans community likes to keep hidden because that might deter others from joining their trans fortress. Give me the word, and I'll show thousands of readers just what goes on behind closed doors.

    I felt it better to post about the possible effects of testosterone and the definite effects of testosterone per the medical/trans community. I didnt say all trans(men) are rapists or murderers, but within certain veins "T" can create those monsters just as it does with men.

    Most of the voices of trans dissent including trans folks who have detransitioned are hated, slandered, threatened and hounded, considering those voices are such a minority out of fear, why the trans community is so fearful that it cannot allow an alternative view if the trans position is so solid?

    dirt

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  24. And one has to wonder doesn't one, if this blog is so full of "shit" and misinfo" why the desperateness and urgency to create a video (while driving no less) aimed at silencing me through trans force? If this trans(boy) and those like them are so happy and comfortable with their new found selves, why the need to silence a dissenting voice?

    Speaking for myself, I'm not trying to silence you. I'm not hacking into your blog and deleting everything in it. I'm not sewing your mouth shut. I'm responding to what you say with what I think. Also, hate speech and free speech are different. Wouldn't you be mad if a man told you "I'm only voicing my thoughts" if he'd made a sexist comment?

    You'd have every right to be mad, which is why we have every right to be mad at you, as well.

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    If trans identity is so grounded, why is it so hell bent on the pathological need that every person alive subscribe to some trans mass delusion?

    This is very much like if someone said "If a female identity is so grounded, why are they fighting misogyny?" which, obviously, would be bullshit. We try to explain our identities so that we're not treated as delusional, sick or stupid. We fight misinformation in order to be given rights the same way feminists fight gender roles and patriarchy in order to be given rights.

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    And why is it the trans attacks and forms of trans threats/violence are only ever directed and executed at women/lesbians/radical lesbian feminist?

    They're only ever directed at women? Seriously? I've responded to countless transphobic comments from both men and women. And I've never personally attacked them, I've just given provided them with information that will hopefully make them less transphobic. Criticism is not censorship.

    Also, I would like to know of cases where trans people were violent against women. Regarding violence and trans people, I've mostly just heard of cases where trans people are attacked.

    -

    We are who we are no matter what you say, and reading through your blog hasn't made me feel any less of a man. You can't invalidate me and the only reason I write to you is in hopes you maybe, maybe, try to see things from our perspective instead of categorizing us all as misogynists, anti-feminists and just plain awful people.

    I have no problem with women, I'm just not one. You don't have to be a women to be a feminist.

    -

    This shit is the same shit that women have been dealing with for centuries, men and now trans(men) trying to silence the voices of women.

    We're not silencing women, we're silencing transphobes. And not even that. We're not silencing anybody. We're standing up for ourselves and who we are. We're standing up against hate and misconceptions.

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  25. Dirt,

    No, I wasn't familiar with the Rush album you refer to, but google has come to my aid and I've been reading about the album and the works of Ayn Rand. My understanding of the latter, is the principle of “I will not run anyone’s life—nor let anyone run mine. I will not rule nor be ruled. I will not be a master nor a slave. I will not sacrifice myself to anyone—nor sacrifice anyone to myself."

    I understand you follow this philosophy, as you do have very strong views on the issue of transition. I think that while there are some differences in our views on the issue of transition (I totally agree that many transition for reasons that can only be considered irresponsible; fashion, peer pressure etc), I *do* believe there are some genuine cases of gender dysmorphia (people born intersex spring to mind). I think also the way we approach how we convey our message differs. I have found so much good stuff in your blogs, but sometimes, feel totally alienated by your anger. You made a comment about me 'transferring' when I refer this this anger, but I am only letting you know how I feel having read your blog. I'm not sure if that comment inferred you think I am trans? To be clear, I am a bio woman.

    I support peoples' rights to do with their bodies as they wish. While I have no desire to ink, pierce or do otherwise to my own, I won't stop people piercing theirs. With transition, the issue is the lack of genuine information around on the effects of testosterone and transition on the body. From my reading, I agree with you that T is a cause of cancer and people who transition have a shorter life expectancy than if they hadn't. Where we probably also differ, is that I believe that if the true facts of transition were made publicly available and people STILL wanted to go through with it, they should be able to do so. In much the same way that I believe that woman have total rights over their bodies to abortion, cosmetic surgery, contact lens wearing or whatever else they may wish to do do their flesh, highly invasive, or more minor. My concern is only ever, have people been given the real facts??? If they have, who am I to dictate what another person does to themselves??

    Best
    Christina

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  26. And so I just read your last comment and I have to respond to it.

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    And too bad you didnt happen upon here a few years ago, maybe you would have been of the mindset then to comprehend exactly between "feeling like a boy", (feeling being the operative word) and actually BEING one(which you still are not). You may no longer be a woman, but you arent a man either, you will ALWAYS till you take your last breath (which sadly "T" hastens)be a female. There isnt anything you can ever do in this world in your human form to change that. Passing is tenuous, it means nothing. I've passed for male since age 3, never changed the fact that I'm female.

    People have different definitions of what a man and a woman are. Apparently, to you, being a man means having XY chromosomes and male genitalia. According to your definition, no, I’m not a man. But your definition of a man doesn’t mean anything to me and it doesn’t make me feel like someone who’s stuck between manhood and womanhood. To me, someone is a man when they have a male gender identity. They don’t have to “pass” and they don’t have to have been born in a male body. I’m a man by my definition and by the definition of the people who I care about. I don’t need anyone else’s validation.

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    And no I do not advocate any form of transition, transition is pseudo-science(eugenics), something created/constructed in a lab. It is bandaid medicine utilized by the medical community to maintain the status quo. But there are enough horror stories and tragedies behind the closed trans community doors to fill a small library, stories about the horrors of surgeries that are minimally not up to snuff to surgeries that have literally crippled folks permanently and stories how after everything, the drugs the multiple surgeries the trans voice cheering folks on, some still commit suicide.

    Eugenics is more like selective breeding; it is the study of hereditary improvement. We’re not trying to become supermen, we’re only trying to become comfortable with out own bodies. And may I ask where these horror stories you talk about are? There was a study that estimated less than 1% of those who underwent sex-reassignment surgery regretted it, so I wouldn’t rely on these horror stories to form an opinion on transition. Guess what? Many kinds of operations go wrong. Even a caesarian section can have complications. It is not specific to SRS.

    Also, people from all communities commit suicide, why should post-operative trans people be any different? We know surgery isn’t going to magically solve all of our problems. And studies estimate that the suicide rate amongst pre-operative trans people is much higher than that of post-operative trans people. If anyone needs a reason to support transition, it should be that it a lot of times makes people happier and more comfortable with their lives. That you don’t support is pretty damn close to saying you want these people to suffer all of their lives.

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    I didnt say all trans(men) are rapists or murderers, but within certain veins "T" can create those monsters just as it does with men.

    If that is not man-hating, I don’t know what is. It’s as unfair and ignorant as if someone said “female hormones make women hysterical and emotional.”

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  27. Anon,

    There is no such thing as "transphobia" in the real, its all swathed in misogyny. And your analogy with regards to misogyny makes zero sense.

    Also I'm not here to take your (man)hood away from you your female nature does that all by itself. The info here and other radical feminist blogs like this arent "misinfo" they are informed without benefit of blinders.

    The simple truth is were there misogyny, the trans disorder wouldnt exist.

    dirt

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  28. Anon,

    If you were truly a man and if you believe the idea in your head informing you of such you would not need drugs and surgeries and legal documents saying you're a man nor would you be here telling me you're one.

    dirt

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  29. Explain to me why my analogies make zero sense. Prove to me that the "trans disorder" stems from misogyny. How, then, would you explain trans women? Are you going to say they're just radical feminist men?

    And your blogs are terribly biased. You write opinions as if they were facts. You write your misconceptions on trans men (starting with the fact that you think they're anti-feminists) as if they were facts. That's misinformation.

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  30. Dear dirt, i saw the video, read your blogs, and read the comments between you and Christina. I know where the problem lies, well I think I do. lemme get this straight... you think FTM's are transitioning into males to avoid being a female in this society because being a woman is hard and sucky? Thats what im getting at. and if its that then I want to correct/help you. If its not then please tell me otherwise. I am a transguy myself pre everything but soon to start my journey. Im not doing it to get out of being a woman. Im doing it because I am not a woman. not that I dont like women I think they are very beautiful creatures god has made. (And I think alot of women these days are far more powerful then I will ever be.) Im doing it because my soul, my inmost being is not female. Its male. Its always been male. I am very blessed to be born this way, so I will learn a very amazing lesson after im done. Im pretty sure most of us transmen are doing it because we are not females, yeah we appear to be. But our hearts, minds, and souls are complete opposite.
    P.S. No harm or hate towards you, may god bless you so very much.
    - Taylor

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  31. Christina,

    Personally I'm not a fan of rand, but I am of rush and their utilization on that album of some of her ideas.

    The facts arent the problem, and giving people the facts arent the problem. The problem is the why and how this issue began in the first place and creating a climate in which this will never happen again or only on rare occasions. Prior to that, we need to seriously be asking why is this the only mental issue treated by butchering a healthy body rather than a hurt mind which remain hurt long after the drugs and mutilations. Seems your notions of trans "choice" are the same notions people have about prostitute "choice" or pornography "choice" or thin "choice" etc. When you strip all these things raw, there is no choice to be found. So how can one give consent when one is being robbed of that consent before they're out of diapers?

    I wondering do you advocate anorexics receiving some form of gastric bypass so they are less hungry and can easily maintain their low weight or amputations for those suffering from BIID? And if not why?

    dirt

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  32. There are a variety on variables for developing the trans disorder, they differ with both men and women and as individuals. The majority of males who transition are autogynephiles, only a small portion are gay/"effeminate". The hetero males who transition do so because they get aroused from wearing womens clothing, depending on the individual and his familial life growing up this can turn into a pathological fetish which become more about possessing the female image for masturbatory reasons. If misogyny didnt exist and women werent viewed through the masturbatory male gaze coupled with male privilege, privilege that lead males still to believe they own women, this group would not have developed this issue. Gay men who do, do so out of internalized homophobia, and of course severity depending upon the familial and what lies underneath homophobia? You guessed it, misogyny. And if you cannot make that leap there is a post a few months back explaining further.

    Feminism is about first loving yourself as a woman, embracing it, because until that happens no woman can truly love another woman if she hates herself. Women transition because they feel uncomfortable in their body, they hate their body but they do not question why beyond the simple.

    Transition is about murdering that female body, because they were conditioned and accepted the conditioning that says unless you are hyper feminine, you are not a real woman and their is something fundamentally wrong with you. And if you desire roles only males have or primarily male and you are a woman, something is wrong with you. Along with all the other negative notions paraded daily that value all things male and devalue all things female, especially differently female. You cannot embrace misogyny (hatred of yourself as a woman) and claim feminism at the same time, thats pure schizophrenics.

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  33. Taylor hun, sadly some female do transition for that reason, thats a HUGE failure on the part of feminism that radical dykes like me are working to correct, but they so far are only a small portion.

    If you have never been a male in this life, how would you know you "feel" male? You think you feel male because you identify aspects of yourself with males, that doesnt make you male. If makes you a female who is starving for a different representation of female than whats been fed to you.

    dirt

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  34. The majority of males who transition are autogynephiles, only a small portion are gay/"effeminate". The hetero males who transition do so because they get aroused from wearing womens clothing.

    [...]

    If misogyny didnt exist and women werent viewed through the masturbatory male gaze coupled with male privilege, privilege that lead males still to believe they own women, this group would not have developed this issue. Gay men who do, do so out of internalized homophobia, and of course severity depending upon the familial and what lies underneath homophobia? You guessed it, misogyny.


    I'm not stupid. I came to the conclusion that homophobia, for the most part, stems from misogyny and sexism and seeing masculinity as superior and stronger than femininity. Internalized homophobes are more likely to pretend they're straight than to go "Oh, I'd be so much better off as the opposite sex! I mean, I hate gay people, but I love transsexuals!"

    Feminism is about first loving yourself as a woman, embracing it, because until that happens no woman can truly love another woman if she hates herself. Women transition because they feel uncomfortable in their body, they hate their body but they do not question why beyond the simple.

    That is what feminism is about to you? Oh wow. Seriously? So men and and even women who're not comfortable in their bodies can't be feminists?

    Transition is about murdering that female body, because they were conditioned and accepted the conditioning that says unless you are hyper feminine, you are not a real woman and their is something fundamentally wrong with you. And if you desire roles only males have or primarily male and you are a woman, something is wrong with you. Along with all the other negative notions paraded daily that value all things male and devalue all things female, especially differently female. You cannot embrace misogyny (hatred of yourself as a woman) and claim feminism at the same time, thats pure schizophrenics.

    THIS, THIS IS MISINFORMATION. You're not transgender. You can't know someone why someone is trans. I'm not even going to bother explaining why all you just said is bullshit. And no, I'm not schizophrenic.

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  35. Well, I appreciate what you're doing to help those other females who are transitioning for that reason.


    I get where your getting how could I feel male. Ever since I was about 3 I knew I was born in the wrong body. Or at least I knew I wasnt a girl. When you were a child you knew if you were a boy or a girl. Like I said i knew I wasnt a girl.

    I wish you could feel how I feel. I wish you could walk at least one mile in my shoes. Then maybe you could have an idea of what we FTM's feel/go through. We should embrace that we are all different. We should come together to support one another. We should look at each other for who they are as a person and not what they are doing or have done. We need to look at each other with eyes that see. We need to love with universal love. I love you. I dont care if you dislike me or my firends and/or the fact that we are FTM's. I will love them and I will love you. No matter what. I think you should put these night vision goggles on to help you through this dark world and to help you have eyes that truly see beauty in every person you come across. Lets stop this fight, look past it and love one another. Lets get together and spread world peace and love? i think your too wrapped up in this junk and you need to take a joy ride. :]] Seriously dude. Smoke a joint and chill yo.

    P.S. Sorry if this was off topic. I just felt the need. :]]

    - Taylor.

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  36. Interesting that I cannot know what it means to be "trans" because I am not "transgender" but you know what its like to be male having never been one yourself...hmmmm

    dirt

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  37. Wow. I thought I had slipped down a rabbithole and ended up back in the 1980s just now, in some sort of parallel universe where the last 30 odd years never happened!!

    I have NOOOO idea how you would pigeon hole me Dirt. I was a butch lesbian for many years, in and around the radical lesbian feminist circles, apologetic almost for my masculinity and difference from the others. Over two years ago I began to identify as gender ambivalent, comfortable with both my female and male aspects of myself. Last October, I survived a suicidal crisis by finally accepting what my body and brain have been trying to tell me for the 43 years I have been on this planet - that my fundamental self-concept has always been male and in conflict with my post-pubsecent female body. I decided to transition and am now nearly two months on testosterone, incidentally a hormone absolutely vital to your own health and well-being as a woman (but that would be a whole other lesson in human endocrinology which I'm sure you don't have the time for).

    What is so sad is that your own mental model of the world falls into the very same patriarchal binary gender trap that continues to fuel the oppression and exploitation of women and men the world over. The reality of nature, is that gender and sexual diversity is much more complex and nuanced than the binary male or female boxes you adhere to. In many other species of animals and plants on Earth, there are a kaleidoscope of different genders and forms of sexual and social expression. Indeed, when you boil it all down to biological differences across sexes then the only real difference is males tend to have small gametes and females have large ones. Well, that doesn't really get one very far. I accept that this is something I currently cannot change about my body. As long as I have ovaries I will continue to produce eggs until the T knocks that out. One day it is quite possible with stem cell research that I could quite literally grow my own sperm. Goddess knows what you would think of that.

    For as long as human beings have been around on the Earth, there have been people like me and my trans sisters and brothers, who have stepped outside of traditional gender roles. Indeed some shamanistic cultures respect and honour 'Two Spirits' and their difference. Now we have the ability to live more in harmony with our bodies and our self-concepts. Just as you can live in harmony with yours.

    I still remain a feminist Dirt and I actively oppose misogynistic and woman-hating sexism wherever I see, hear or feel it. I am not going to butt my nose into your business with your own body, so please keep out of butting into mine sister.

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  38. Funny. I see how you would like to twist my message by implying I think the transmen you used were ugly. You were the one who actually stated so by putting lesbians in groups and saying they would never date those men. Why wouldn't they date those men then? You're a radical butch lesbian. I get it but you didn't have to steal those pics and ridicule those guys to get your point across.

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  39. How do you feel towards patriarchy or the oppression of women? Not very good right? I'm sure you would be irked to say the least about a whole blog discriminating against butch women so why do it to trans men? We are your allies not your enemies. You sound like you are supressing your own feelings much like like a closeted teenage gay person who instead behaves like a homophobe to hide their feelings. You are manipulating information, what you posted were not KNOWN facts about taking testosterone it was your own negative spin on the facts of things that may or may not happen depending on the person. The people who you chose to link pictures of all looked similar or bald/overweight. You did not include any variety, like all people transmen come in different shapes and sizes, and there are many extremely good looking guys you would not even know were trans. It's too bad you are outdated and hateful dirt, you would think that since you are so sore as a woman scorned you would want peace and acceptance and nothing more. But you are bitter and ignorant. You deserve no allies, you deserve to stand alone.

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  40. Dirt, you said this..

    'And too bad you didnt happen upon here a few years ago, maybe you would have been of the mindset then to comprehend exactly between "feeling like a boy", (feeling being the operative word) and actually BEING one(which you still are not).'

    Well I take your point, some people would not consider me a man, and I will admit I'm not biologically a man.
    However... to the outside word who do not know I'm transgendered, I am because they know none the wiser. To my friends and family, I am, because they see me and treat me as a man.
    So in a sense therefore I am male!

    Ever since the age of 5 I would cry to my parents saying I was a boy. That was before I even knew what 'transgender' was obviously, so I don't believe that the transitioning is a lie we are bought because most people have always felt that way before even discovering FTMs.

    I guess this is directly relevant to the individual but I know that since being on testosterone and passing fully as male, being treated like one, I feel complete and 100% more comfortable.
    So, why is this such a bad thing? If something makes somebody happy then why be against it?

    It's like somebody saying they don't believe people should be gay/lesbian. It's not 'natural' and maybe there is a 'deep underlying issue' like a hate to men or wanting to prove something to society or wanting to be different. Obviously I'm not saying that by the way!
    I'm just making my point that you feel you are attracted to females, I feel I am male. So I did something about it and yes youre right I will never be a 'TRUE' male but as close as I can get to that and it makes me happy and feels right.
    I put off transitioning for many years and was just a 'boyish lesbian' but was still very down and hated being seen as female, hate my female body. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with being seen as female, there isn't! It just didn't feel right for me.

    And even down to sexual stuff (I won't get into detail lol) but being treated female sexually made me feel physically sick. For all my life when I've had sexual dreams/thoughts, I've been a man in them

    Basically I'm just trying to get across that gender dysphoria is a genuine thing and it CAN be solved with testosterone and surgery! Not in all cases but with true transgender-ism.

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  41. Dirt, in your response...

    Well I take your point, some people would not consider me a man, and I will admit I'm not biologically a man.
    However... to the outside word who do not know I'm transgendered, I am because they know none the wiser. To my friends and family, I am, because they see me and treat me as a man.
    So in a sense therefore I am male!

    Ever since the age of 5 I would cry to my parents saying I was a boy. That was before I even knew what 'transgender' was obviously, so I don't believe that the transitioning is a lie we are bought because most people have always felt that way before even discovering FTMs.

    I guess this is directly relevant to the individual but I know that since being on testosterone and passing fully as male, being treated like one, I feel complete and 100% more comfortable.
    So, why is this such a bad thing? If something makes somebody happy then why be against it?

    It's like somebody saying they don't believe people should be gay/lesbian. It's not 'natural' and maybe there is a 'deep underlying issue' like a hate to men or wanting to prove something to society or wanting to be different. Obviously I'm not saying that by the way!
    I'm just making my point that you feel you are attracted to females, I feel I am male. So I did something about it and yes youre right I will never be a 'TRUE' male but as close as I can get to that and it makes me happy and feels right.
    I put off transitioning for many years and was just a 'boyish lesbian' but was still very down and hated being seen as female, hate my female body. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with being seen as female, there isn't! It just didn't feel right for me.

    And even down to sexual stuff (I won't get into detail lol) but being treated female sexually made me feel physically sick. For all my life when I've had sexual dreams/thoughts, I've been a man in them

    Basically I'm just trying to get across that gender dysphoria is a genuine thing and it CAN be solved with testosterone and surgery! Not in all cases but with true transgender-ism.

    Some of the things are not fact that you wrote -
    you won't lose all your hair so quickly, some don't lose any at all.
    Your clitoris actually HIGHTENS in sensitivity.
    You won't get a 'transgender' look, everybody looks individual. Maybe that's your opinion but I can safely say myself and the transgender people I know look VERY different indeed.
    You won't sound like a midget/hobbit whatever it was, some people's voices go very deep!

    and I can't remember what else there was!

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  42. Oh and also some of the things are not fact that you wrote -
    you won't lose all your hair so quickly, some don't lose any at all.
    Your clitoris actually HIGHTENS in sensitivity.
    You won't get a 'transgender' look, everybody looks individual. Maybe that's your opinion but I can safely say myself and the transgender people I know look VERY different indeed.
    You won't sound like a midget/hobbit whatever it was, some people's voices go very deep!
    If you rape/murder somebody you were probably just crazy to begin with! T doesn't induce such thoughts.
    It doesn't make you gay.

    and I can't remember what else there was!

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  43. intersex - one having both male and female sexual characteristics and organs; at birth an unambiguous assignment of male or female cannot be made

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  44. Intersexism and transgenderism exist - both are RARE.

    What we're seeing in the LGBTQ "community" ain't are them. The LGBTQ "community" has been overtaken by sexual/gender fetishists. They have appropriated the terms transgenderism/transsexualism - in the same way they appropriate everything else.

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  45. A gender construct acquired at age 3, 4, 5, 15.... should NOT be dictating the course of your life at age 25, 35, 45.... How boring and unimaginative - not to mention unevolved.

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  46. I was raised by a butch and a femme. I cut my teeth on second wave feminism and sister....I do not understand your position.
    I am MTF and my spouse is an androgyne. Both of us are on cross sex hormones and both of us have completely mellowed out and are no longer suicidal. I would call that medical success.
    I do not care one wit if others see a man in a dress when they look at me or a dyke deluxe when they see my wife. We know who we are. We are 2 people with severe GID who have been lucky enough to fall in love with eachother. Not mysoginistic, not self hating, not anything vile in any way.
    We just want to live, and if that means a short life span due to using cross sex hormones then so be it. Far better to live 20 happy years than 50 more in gender hell.

    I do know some who transition for the wrong reasons, but I hold my tounge. It is not my place to label them and judge them as idiots. What if I am wrong? What if that person I do not believe is really trans is truely trans? I can't know.


    Anyways....my point. (I know I am lousy at this)
    Why are you so down on the trannys? Granted there are idiots who apropriate identities and say really stupid shit but there are idiots everywhere. We can't hunt them all down. Or point fingers at all the guilty parties.

    Our lives as a general rule are no diferant than anyone else's. We go to work and we have friends and families and some of us have children along the way. We have lives that are indistinguishable form anyone elses. Only when our clothing comes off would you know something was amiss. (and the only person who has the need to know what is in our pants is our lovers) Just like any other family.

    Anyways, seems you have started a shit storm. lol The next few days should at least be entertaining......

    Best of days and all that groovy jazz.
    Cyndi

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  47. My three cents...

    Gender "theory and post-modernism have given "us" post-feminism without women's rights --- post-racism without an end to racism --- post gay pride without equal rights for gay and lesbians.....

    They are morally and politically bankrupt.

    They amount to nothing more than feel good, anything goes vulgar individualism. They've drained the L/G Pride Movement of any meaningful politic.

    The TG/trans "agenda" perpetuates the issues of race, class, sexist gender constructs and unearned privilege. It's based in the same hegemony from which these things spring.

    Post-modernism and gender "theory" have been dictating the course of the LGBTQ "community" since the 1990's.

    What have L/Gs got to show for it?

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  48. "You don't have to be a women to be a feminist."

    Fail. Men can be pro-feminists, but not feminists.

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  49. "People have different definitions of what a man and a woman are."

    If we can just start making up our own definitions to words, then from now on, I'm a cat. Meow.

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  50. "In many other species of animals and plants on Earth, there are a kaleidoscope of different genders and forms of sexual and social expression."

    Non-human animals don't have genders, only sexes. Gender is a caste system based on sex, created by patriarchy in order to oppress females.

    This is getting monotonous.

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  51. @ Rachel - since when did you become The Authority on who can and cannot define themselves as feminist? How do you define 'man' and 'woman'? Is it genitals at birth? Chromosomes? Brain-gender? Presence or absense of testosterone? Read Joan Roughgarden's 'Evolution's Rainbow' that brilliantly shows how non-human beings actually do have social roles that could accurately be described as 'genders'. You are soooo stuck in pre-21st century mechanistic determinism! Not summat that Hothead Paisan (one of my sheros) would share I reckon.

    You cannot deny our own reality to fit your own mental model of how the world works and your understanding of the interplay between race, class, sexuality, gender etc needs bringing up to speed, not with the obscurity of post-bloody-modernism but with the reality of the bleedin obvious experiences of a significant minority of human beings whose gender experience fits outside of your box.

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  52. SD,

    Reality isnt a childs imagination, it IS concrete. Rachel, isnt "defining" anything she is siting ESTABLISHED facts in evidence.

    You can believe you are a rainbow, you can call yourself rainbow-brite, but at the end of the day, their aint no pot O gold at the end of your feet.

    dirt

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  53. Rachel,

    "Non-human animals don't have genders, only sexes. Gender is a caste system based on sex, created by patriarchy in order to oppress females"

    It is mind boggling that so many women choose patriarchy over reality. But I suppose the weakest among us find it easier to either sleep with the enemy or now become the enemy.

    dirt

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  54. Lew hun,

    Hating your body doesnt make you male inside, it merely means you've internalized misogyny. But Lew hun, you're not alone, not by a long shot sadly.

    For there are a myriad of ways (what Bachmann called the Ways of Death") that women hate/hurt themselves because of that internalized misogyny. Yours simply took the form of trannyism, it could have easily taken the form of cutting, suicide attempts, over eating, starving yourself, drugs, booze, no sex, excessive sex, prostitution, pornography, scarring your body and the list goes on into infinity.

    Anne Sexton wrote "but suicides have a special language/like carpenters/they want to know which tools/they never ask/why build?" It is time women ceased looking for ways to kill themselves, and begin truly asking WHY they want to in the first place.

    dirt

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  55. Taylor babe, sweetheart,

    I dont dislike you or your friends, I'm only here to see that you like you, the true you, the you you were BORN to be, not the you you are trying to carve yourself into which isnt you at all.

    And you ramble on all you want.

    dirt

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  56. Anon,

    "A gender construct acquired at age 3, 4, 5, 15.... should NOT be dictating the course of your life at age 25, 35, 45.... How boring and unimaginative - not to mention unevolved."

    EXACTLY! Because I've never spoke to a Butch lesbian who because of Butch invisibility didnt think she was really a boy(ish) as a kid and didnt go through shear hell when puberty brought home the fact which she could no longer deny, she was and is a female.

    Especially regarding the total dysphoria around period time, every Butch's nightmare and deep source of shame. Fortunately if we truly love ourselves and are lucky enough to have women around us love us, we work through those issues to become to awesomely unique women we are as adults.

    The shame of it is most of us dont realize that until we are well into our thirties. But with Butch women like skyler cooper and loud mouth bloggers like me we are bringing a visibility to the community the like it has never seen and through that I'm confident Butches will work through their shame issues much sooner and come out carrying a lot less baggage.

    dirt

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  57. Seems your notions of trans "choice" are the same notions people have about prostitute "choice" or pornography "choice" or thin "choice" etc. When you strip all these things raw, there is no choice to be found. So how can one give consent when one is being robbed of that consent before they're out of diapers?

    I wondering do you advocate anorexics receiving some form of gastric bypass so they are less hungry and can easily maintain their low weight or amputations for those suffering from BIID? And if not why?


    Interesting comments, Dirt. Breaking down your statement into parts, yes, I do believe in prostitution being a choice in first world countries. Take Australia for example. In 95% of all cases, women who work as sex workers have plenty of choice. I’ve had numerous friends who did sex work throughout their university days, or to fund a particular venture, then gave it away to take up more mainstream endeavours in society, often as highly paid professionals such as doctors and lawyers. Do I believe these women are victims? Not on your life!

    When it comes to developing countries, let’s take Cambodia, or Thailand for example, the situation is far sadder. I do believe that in many cases women have no choice and are sold into ‘bonded labour’ , a very sad existence from which this is little chance of escape.

    As for pornography, I think as per prostitution, in first world countries, yes, there is definitely a choice. Again, no, in poorer countries with no social welfare, I think there is often no choice.

    Not quite sure what you mean by ‘thin choice’?? Do I think everybody can be thin? No, not at all. I think that body shape is determined by a host of factors, including medical history, hereditary issues, as well as what one puts in one’s mouth and the exercise one takes. I’m sure most people know of two women who eat about the same and do the same amount of exercise and one is slim and the other is more rounded.

    You comment “So how can one give consent when one is being robbed of that consent before they're out of diapers?” Sorry, I’m not clear what you mean here.

    As for gastric bypasses for anorexics and amputations for BIID, no I don’t. But with a caveat for the latter, as I don’t really know that much about it. If somebody has great offense about their toe, shouldn’t they be afforded the same opportunity to remove it, as a woman does who wants to surgically change her large nose, or have her ears pinned back because they stick out? While I think the former (toe removal), is quite extreme and wouldn’t consider it myself, I certainly would consider having my ears pinned back if they looked like those of Prince Charles, so hasten to pass judgment on the toe person, when perhaps their level of impairment is no greater than my own. And I don't consider myself particularly impaired, although I'm sure I indulge in some procedures that you would greatly disapprove of.

    With trans, I don’t believe that every person who is trans is suffering from a mental illness. Do I think it’s possible there is some of it in the community? Absolutely. The difference between us, is that you believe every transsexual is the equivalent of an anorexic, with a severely dysmorphic body image, but I believe that issues such as intersex, make the reality far more complex than that.

    Best
    Christina

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  58. Dear Christina,

    In Australia there ARE women who are given no option but to go into sex work to pay the bills. Not everyone that is in sex work in Australia is doing it to ‘get through university’. If you venture out of the wonder world of the middle classes, life is very different. You have not acknowledged that “choice” is the privilege of the middle classes and those with power and money. The “choices” you speaks of are “choices” afforded to you and those like you because you HAVE money. “Choice” does not happen in a social and political vacuum. People’s choices are not made in a vacuum, they are made because of social forces as well as ideologies and social norms that dictate what you CAN do with your body and what you cannot as a woman/female. The “choice” to have a nose job because you ‘don’t like your nose’ and the choice to go into sex work are only available because women are seen as a commodity that can be traded, shaped and manipulated into what society sees as a ‘normal’, ‘sexy’ ‘acceptable’ woman. Women can have breast augmentation but good luck finding a gynecologist that will allow a healthy 21 year only, ‘attractive’ lesbian or straight woman to have her fallopian tubes tied. You are kidding yourself if you truly believe that these “choices” that you speak of, are truly something that is made independent of social forces, social norms that are all fueled by patriarchy and only made available to you because they are seen as something women CAN do to themselves to in some way to please the male gaze.

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  59. NurikoUtsukushii@gmail.comJuly 14, 2010 at 10:54 PM

    Dirt,

    Between both you and everyone who is in this silly /b/tard argue fest, can you all just use brain cells and quit it?

    Also, don't use peoples pictures without permission, esp if you are going to slander them.

    And being FtM myself, yeah, some dickwipes are pretty bad, but spare hating the ENTIRE damn community... And just speaking for myself, since I'm the one sitting on the genderline and don't want to conform to either gender really, but you're being pretty damn sexist yourself, even though you're ranting about all this misogyny, you're slandering those who don't fit in your perfect little bubble.

    Don't understand you at all. But then again, maybe I haven't met the right FtM that ruffles up my fur the wrong way, since all the ones I know treat everyone the same.

    Understand that just the same as people who wish to use THEIR OWN DAMN EYES instead of contacts and glasses to feel at spiritual and physical ease, it's the same thing with transfolk. It's something that's a desire. Sure, in your eyes not necessary, but then again, you seem to love your gender (and all the power to you), just as much as a person with 20/20 sight wouldn't understand those getting Lasik as a necessary for being comfortable with oneself.

    It takes an analogy to realize that maybe something in your life was just as "placebo" as transitioning, but I can tell you one thing. Not having to buy bras, not having to feel awkward with breasts that hurt 24/7 and had lumps in them?... damn does it feel great.

    I have a partner who is female, and neither of us assume a "male" or "female" role and just... live. And most of my friends are female. But I hang around males, and genderqueers just the same too.

    Am I denying that I was born female? No, that's stupid. I have genetic and physical things that surgery can't change (Chromosomes) and to do that would be stupid for health reasons as well.

    So, what I want to know, is why do you have such a hatred for the few people who are transitioning to enjoy life?

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  60. Of course you believe those persons have a "choice" Christina, like a good cog you've purchased straight off the rack at half price the mass idea plaguing first world women everywhere; “the feminism of choice" outfit with matching belt and shoes. While I realize the Enlightenment is centuries behind us, much of the knowledge gleaned is still VERY relevant today. Rousseau realized then that “man is born free and everywhere he is chains”. For you to admit prostitutes (and all females) are “in chains” means admitting that you are as well. So instead you ignore their shackles so you can live with your head in the clouds ignoring the clanging ‘round your feet as you shuffle through the day.

    It is all akin to say something like Peter Weiss’s Marat/Sade play where Weiss’s de Sade says to Marat that “to give to the beggar amounts to nothing more than a kick” and in the same vein Frame’s Miss Istina Mavet when she describes the piano playing of a fellow mental patient “Listening to her, one experienced a deep uneasiness as of having avoided an urgent responsibility, like someone who, walking at night along the banks of a stream, catches a glimpse in the water of a white face or a moving limb and turns quickly away, refusing to help or to search for help. We all see the faces in the water. We smother our memory of them, even our belief in their reality, and become calm people of the world; or we can neither forget nor help them. Sometimes by a trick of circumstances or dream or a hostile neighborhood of light we see our own face”.

    You, like so many, many others, cannot afford to see your own face. And like a poodle in a circus act; do the most amazing tricks in order to keep that chin up and that head in the clouds. But I see clearly the chains that bind your ankles, yours and all those “calm people of the world” just like you. Me? I was born restless.

    dirt

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  61. Nuriko,

    I know why I'm here, the reason is why are you considering how happy and well adjusted you are with your "choice"? That is most TRANSparent!

    dirt

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  62. How do you feel towards patriarchy or the oppression of women? Not very good right? I'm sure you would be irked to say the least about a whole blog discriminating against butch women so why do it to trans men? We are your allies not your enemies. You sound like you are supressing your own feelings much like like a closeted teenage gay person who instead behaves like a homophobe to hide their feelings. You are manipulating information, what you posted were not KNOWN facts about taking testosterone it was your own negative spin on the facts of things that may or may not happen depending on the person. The people who you chose to link pictures of all looked similar or bald/overweight. You did not include any variety, like all people transmen come in different shapes and sizes, and there are many extremely good looking guys you would not even know were trans. It's too bad you are outdated and hateful dirt, you would think that since you are so sore as a woman scorned you would want peace and acceptance and nothing more. But you are bitter and ignorant. You deserve no allies, you deserve to stand alone.

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  63. Hi Femme Avenger

    You said In Australia there ARE women who are given no option but to go into sex work to pay the bills. Not everyone that is in sex work in Australia is doing it to ‘get through university’. If you venture out of the wonder world of the middle classes, life is very different. You have not acknowledged that “choice” is the privilege of the middle classes and those with power and money. The “choices” you speaks of are “choices” afforded to you and those like you because you HAVE money.

    I agree. I think in my post I used 95% as an arbitrary number, but I’m happy to rephrase that to be “the majority”. I have known many, many sex workers. More than one hundred. And yes, it is true that the vast majority of these women were middle class and did have a choice. Is your statement that the majority of sex workers in Australia don’t have a choice? Do you uphold the right of choice, of middle class women who could work in other industries, but instead choose to make more money in the sex industry? The vast majority of women I have known who were prostitutes were not victims! What about male prostitution (either gay, or straight), is that ok?? Are men afforded more rights to do with their bodies what they wish, than women are??

    With respect to your comment women are seen as a commodity that can be traded, shaped and manipulated into what society sees as a ‘normal’, ‘sexy’ ‘acceptable’ woman Ok, so where do we draw the line here. Is dyeing one’s hair all about patriarchic oppression? What about shaving under one’s armpits because one doesn’t like to smell?? I feel very strongly that my body is mine, to do as I want with and I get resentful when I feel that people are telling me I’m basically too stupid to make any sort of rational choice and have just swallowed some garbage spewed forth from the patriarchal media machine. I don’t buy magazines aimed at women, because I believe they encourage all sorts of unhealthy beliefs in terms of what a woman should look like and also watch no TV, for the same reason. However, I understand that I don’t escape unscathed from some of society’s conditioning and mass advertising machine. What I do know though, is that I really don’t care about what other people think of my physicality or appearance (man, woman or child), it’s totally irrelevant to me. As long as I like what I see, if other people are vomiting into the nearest dustbin, that’s their issue. I struggle when I come across viewpoints that seem to be about challenging choices that I should be able to make, as a passably intelligent and half sane person, about my own body. It’s a bit like the abortion debate, ‘my body, my choice’.

    Best
    Christina

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  64. For you to admit prostitutes (and all females) are “in chains” means admitting that you are as well. So instead you ignore their shackles so you can live with your head in the clouds ignoring the clanging ‘round your feet as you shuffle through the day

    ….. And like a poodle in a circus act; do the most amazing tricks in order to keep that chin up and that head in the clouds. But I see clearly the chains that bind your ankles, yours and all those “calm people of the world” just like you.


    Whoa! Steady on there! Gosh, that’s rather presumptuous. So, now I am in chains. Please do tell me what you’re basing me being in chains on?? Last time I checked, I was very much living life by my own rules, not society’s.

    LOL @ “calm people of the world” – you may want to ask our mutual friend about that one! It’s actually the first time I’ve ever been called ‘calm’ and I’m not quite how to respond to that, I’m so surprised. I am polite yes and I don’t like the name slanging that goes with some debate (so unnecessary), but I understand that when we’re talking about such emotional topics, people can get particularly incensed.

    Would welcome you telling me more about these chains that bind my ankles that you so clearly see and also what circus tricks I’m doing to keep my chin up.

    Best
    Christina

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  65. Oh Dirt, for one so liberated you don't 'arf know how to patronise!! In fact there's much of your whole approach to your version of feminism that is not dissimilar to the evangelical christian approach to LGBT issues.

    Consider your quote:
    "I dont dislike you or your friends, I'm only here to see that you like you, the true you, the you you were BORN to be, not the you you are trying to carve yourself into which isnt you at all."

    How different is this from the evangelical Christian who says 'love the sinner but not the sin' while they stand in judgement in front of you?

    Like homophobes everywhere who shout the loudest about the sin they see around them and devote themselves to 'saving their souls' or condemning them to an eternity of hellfire and brimstone, you seem to set yourself up as someone who needs to show us pitiful FTMs The Truth of our delusion and pull the scales from our eyes so we can see again. Like those mouthy homophobes who are often deeply suppressing homoerotic feelings of their own, I wonder if you have explored your own deep-rooted feelings. I'm not being funny but you know what they say about those who shout the loudest very often got the most to hide.

    It's just a thought...

    PS Quite what 'scientific evidence' were you quoting as 'fact' in your earlier comment? Roughgarden is a highly respected evolutionary biologist and her book has been well received in the scientific community. Theory has moved on much since classical Darwin lol

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  66. I just finished reading "Wrong: Why Experts Keep Failing Us — and How to Know When Not to Trust Them". Best to read the book, but a very brief Time article (which Google won't let me reference here) states, among many other things, "As much as 90% of physicians' medical knowledge has been found to be substantially or completely wrong."

    It also talks about the idiocy of crowds - especially highly respected, educated crowds - to always dumb themselves down into idiotic answers that, left alone as individuals, they never would have reduced themselves to.

    Yet that's entirely what modern "trans" is built upon: crap science that's highly popular, too simplistic for the real world, but completely backed up by crap crowd answers that attack dissent and truth telling.

    Meanwhile, people's bodies and minds are being destroyed, and their natural gender selves are being wiped out. AND there's nothing but encouragement to continue spreading and normalizing the unreality and danger.

    But hey! A million psych-heads insist it's all true! And a million junk-science MDs have even more cut-n-drug they PROMISE will make us happy!

    I came very close to buying that once. I spent years in that whole mindset - but I could never figure out: if this is supposed to be the answer, then why are so many people in it so completely UNhappy? Why do they have to pretend and do conformity crowd-control to make sure no "unbelief" gets onto the stage? I sat next to people who'd done the cut-n-drug a year, 10 years, even 20 years before, and all except those who would enjoy drugs/etc anyway were obviously unhappy with their choice. But they couldn't admit it, because that would mean admitting to a huge mistake that - if they admitted to - would cost them a lot of unnecessary grief, and their trans friends (who wouldn't tolerate the change of heart).

    It was the medically-based trans community itself that convinced me that trans is simply a lie manufactured by junk psych science and "gender" academics whose answers mean pain, denial, and further marginalization, while promising just the opposite.

    Once out of that whole lie, I've discovered real answers to who I am in my masculine-female life - answers that don't involve destroying my organs and brain and giving myself early freaky cancers. Real answers that made me exactly who I am, just as I was meant to be -- and not as some psychiatrist imagined in some monetary wet dream.

    Stepping away from and then healing from the "trans" identity saved my life - and it's saving more and more women and men each day as all the unreality becomes more and more apparent. I know, because I meet them online and off. And they tell the same story of freedom from drugs (including but not only hormone drugs), from medically-based "identities", and recovery from or final avoidance of surgical mutilation.

    Being who you were born to be, within the natural self you were meant to be, is freedom. Anything you have to impose on your mind, brain, or body isn't real, and it's medical/psych serfdom.

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  67. Hi Christina,

    Thank you for your comments. Let me clarify my issue with regards to “choice” and feminism in general. Firstly, I acknowledge I have levels of privilege and “choices” that other women do not have and for this reason I do not have the right to speak for them. These women include; women of colour, indigenous women, refugee women, women who are socially and economically disadvantaged, women living on or below the poverty line, women with ability challenges and so forth. Some feminists argue that the ability to make choices is a privilege, and one largely of the middle classes as they have access to higher status, more resources, higher incomes (although don’t get me started on mine), more power and our voices are more likely to be heard. The choices we make can be consumer, social, personal and political. The levels of “choice” made available to a white, privileged, middle class woman will vary greatly to that for women living in for example, social and economic disadvantage. The issue I have with regards to access to choice comes down to this; some choices we are able to make because we want to make them, others we make because we have to/are heaving persuaded to (compulsory voting, child immunisation, compulsory driving test for people over 75yo, and so forth), some choices are made for us by institutions that decide for us what “choices” we will have access to, some ‘choices ‘ are more like flight or fight/live or die and not really a ‘choice’ at all . Some women chose (more in keeping with the ‘want to’ category) to go into sex work i.e., like your university peers, others do so in order to survive. For some women, who have a voice, social power and mobility, sex work can be economically ‘profitable’ and these women may be more able to negotiate their working terms. For others sex work is only profitable for those that control them and they do not have the same power, mobility, voice as the women who have the “want to” option.

    Any choice we make as women about what we do to or with our bodies involves some relationship back to its value in society (and the meaning of that value); we dye grey hair because ultimately youth and beauty is rewarded (e.g., look younger get better opportunities at work), we shave armpits/legs, wax/remove facial hair, follow social customs/etiquette, and so forth (speaking from a middle class Femmes position here regarding the before mentioned examples).

    Now for the choices that are made for us like those made by the medical establishment that wield the most power over those seeking ‘elective’ medical/surgical procedures. In Australia, women do not have control over their own fertility. Women CANNOT get access to abortion on demand, cannot elect to be medically sterilised (especially if healthy, attractive), and now the government is pushing for a halt to ‘elective’ caesarean section. Now, while most/all of these “choices” do not affect my life directly, they are saying to ALL women that your value to society lay in your ability to give birth and we will control, If, When and How you will do it. Some choices are not choices at all. A woman can have breast augmentation but not sterilisation. Your value as a woman is grounded in your sexual appeal and your reproductive ability.

    Now, to how this relates to the issue of ‘trans’ or people with GID. The medical establishment will dictate and control our fertility “choices” will make decisions for us based on their value scale, and yet so many people give full control over to them in order to transition. Who is monitoring the medical establishment, the doctors, psychiatrists, the GPs the endocrinologists, the surgeons? Who is calling into question regarding the long-term effects of hormones on the body? Who is doing the follow-up studies?

    If gender is fluid and should be a choice to live as you choose to label yourself, then it CANNOT also be a mental illness. Which is it; choice or illness? GID MUST be removed from the DSM, and in my opinion, the sooner the better.

    FA x

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  68. Nat,

    GREAT post, brilliant and honest and from the heart!

    Your post speaks to exactly what I have reiterated here again and again the last week or so. If these "trans" people and their "trans" lovers/friend were/are so "happy" then they wouldnt be here trying to silence the likes of me. How desperate must this group be to maintain the trans lie that feel the need to hush up ONE voice?

    dirt

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  69. Dirt, here's another thing that's occurred to me, reading these comments:

    In the more visible "butch" communities, "butch" has definitely come to mean "ftm", and whenever real, natural butches speak up to their existence, and to not wanting to be lumped under what isn't them, we're told whatever works to shame or otherwise get us to shut back up.

    But reading the comments here, I was reminded that that's what men do to women, when "man" is supposed to mean "men (and women)" and women who complain about being so lumped are called bitches and so on.

    I've also known it as what Euro-ancestry people do to Native American (and other darker) people, when "people" means "white people (but others come along as you must, but keep your mouth shut)".

    And so on.

    To be reduced in one's life to calling yourself "butch" (and similar words) only in private or among friends because otherwise everyone assumes you're part of the cut-n-drug/mind-bender crowd (or want to be), for example, means really being wiped out and disrespected.

    And that causes hard feelings - feelings which are quite natural and normal. Having one's face stepped on, and then being told your complaints about it are "oppressive" to the ones stepping on your face would tend to cause some upset. Having one's community and personal "home" invaded, and then being told "there's room for everyone! Stop complaining!" is insane.

    I don't believe there would be the problems there are if those who truly wanted to be medically "trans" actually did create their own community, their own words, their own selves, because then they could actually be who they are.

    As it is, they claim to be "men" but continue to re-write lesbian spaces and lives. They aggressively claim to be "butch" and every other identity that's been our real lives (which means you can't simply invent a new word/whatever for yourself, as that is soon colonized, as well), so that we are reduced to either shouting to be heard above their loudspeakers, or disappearing altogether.

    The butch community really has been colonized by junk medical psych science, and who we really are has been tainted and overshadowed and re-written. That those who've caused or who choose to participate in this don't or won't recognize it should surprise no one.

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  70. Hi Femme Avenger

    The levels of “choice” made available to a white, privileged, middle class woman will vary greatly to that for women living in for example, social and economic disadvantage.

    Oh, totally agree! I’m trying to talk about the majority here. I don’t believe the majority of sex workers in Australia come from disadvantaged backgrounds. This belief is based on my personal knowledge of the industry, the knowledge of friends within it and the literature made available from groups that offer support to women in this industry. I’m not clear if you are suggesting that most sex workers (in Australia) come from disadvantaged backgrounds??

    For others sex work is only profitable for those that control them and they do not have the same power, mobility, voice as the women who have the “want to” option.

    Absolutely agree again. Where I am coming from, is that in Australia, the vast majority of sex workers fall into the category of ‘want to’. The number of women who are the industry because they truly have no choice, or are the victims of sex trafficking / bonded labour is very small. Of course, elsewhere in the world the ratios are dramatically different.

    Any choice we make as women about what we do to or with our bodies involves some relationship back to its value in society (and the meaning of that value); we dye grey hair because ultimately youth and beauty is rewarded (e.g., look younger get better opportunities at work), we shave armpits/legs, wax/remove facial hair, follow social customs/etiquette, and so forth (speaking from a middle class Femmes position here regarding the before mentioned examples).

    Agree again. But I would like to think that some people do have the intellect to work out that the ‘beauty industry’ is the perpetrator of the ‘beauty myth’ and do with their appearance what pleases them, rather than what society demands. Do many woman fall victim to all the unrealistic images they see around them? Of course, no argument from me there. Look, I have no idea why people ink themselves all over and get pierced in numerous places. To me it seems gruesome and horrific. But I still maintain their right to sovereignty over their body and don’t believe they are victims.

    Women CANNOT get access to abortion on demand, cannot elect to be medically sterilised (especially if healthy, attractive),

    Um, not too sure where you get this information from? I’ve had access to both without a problem. Sterilisation did require a psychiatrist’s letter (I later opted not to proceed), but I haven’t struggled in either of these areas.

    If gender is fluid and should be a choice to live as you choose to label yourself, then it CANNOT also be a mental illness. Which is it; choice or illness? GID MUST be removed from the DSM, and in my opinion, the sooner the better

    I agree here, with the caveat that some conditions (intersex being one), should have access to the appropriate levels of government funded medical support.

    Best
    Christina

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  71. FA,

    My niece whose 24 had to BEG and PLEAD after she had her third child to get her tubes tied. She told the MALE doctor repeatedly "I'm 24 y/o with THREE kids, I'm NOT having anymore).

    His response, but your still young and pretty and what happens when the right man comes along and you lose him because HE wants kids! WHAT?????

    Since when did a woman's reproductive system depend on what some future MAN that may never materialize want????????

    dirt

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  72. While I don't agree with you on the transgender issue, I fully agree with you regarding your story about your niece. The same thing happened to my cousin. After having her third child by the time she was 22, she went in to the clinic and asked to arrange to have her tubes tied. She was told she couldn't do that unless she was at least 24 and had at least 4 kids. (This is in New York.) Here is a married woman with three kids and she isn't allowed to make decisions about her own body. Enraging!

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  73. In reply to Christina, (part 1 due to length)

    I don’t believe the majority of sex workers in Australia come from disadvantaged backgrounds.I’m not clear if you are suggesting that most sex workers (in Australia) come from disadvantaged backgrounds??

    No, I didn’t say that at all, what I was saying is that you cannot assume that while some ‘choose’ (‘want to’) be sex workers, others may have other social forces/personal traumas edging them into it out of necessity and social disadvantage. You are reading things into my words that are not there. ‘Victim’ is your word, not mine. I was trying to illustrate a point regarding choice and used sex work as an example. The regulated ‘sex industry’ with its resources and support organisations, and those that operate within it, are very different to women that work independent of it. It is NOT all glamorous and not everyone works in an establishment with a cliental of business and rich tradesman in the middle of Melbourne or Sydney. Hierarchies exist with ‘the industry’ (know enough sex workers to know that) and street workers are one of the most ‘at risk’ groups harassed by the general public as well as police. Even for those sex workers that DO have social advantage, they are still monitored and controlled by government regulation and their choices and ‘freedoms’ are bound in state laws. The following statement was taken from the Scarlett Alliance website that state choices ARE :
    “In many states working legally as a private worker in the sex industry also means giving up rights to privacy due to the imperative to register (either formally or informally) with a Prostitution Control Board (e.g., Victoria, ACT), or police (WA) or having to apply for a D.A. with the local council (NSW, with the exception of South Sydney Council). Strict over-regulation results in many workers choosing to go into brothels in order to avoid Police, Council and Control Board attention. Street based workers suffer police harassment and are completely criminalised in most states.” (see Scarletalliance.org.au , issues, human-rights). According to this, ‘choice’ to be a sex worker, like choice to be sterilised or have an abortion, is heavily governed by regulations and ultimately made accessible according to the laws of the land.

    FA x

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  74. In reply to Christina, (part 2)

    But I would like to think that some people do have the intellect to work out that the ‘beauty industry’ is the perpetrator of the ‘beauty myth’ and do with their appearance what pleases them, rather than what society demands.

    “…do with their appearance what pleases them, rather than what society demands “. Sure, I don’t consider women to be without agency and unable to make choices (if they have the means and power to do so) regarding their own interpretation of the beauty industry. But, you and I both know that if we truly rejected what society demands of us then we wouldn’t go through the (often painful) procedures we subject ourselves to in order to look the way we do. If there wasn’t pressure for us to meet societal demands, and more importantly rewards for doing it, would we really go through the pain of it all?

    Um, not too sure where you get this information from? I’ve had access to both without a problem. Sterilisation did require a psychiatrist’s letter (I later opted not to proceed), but I haven’t struggled in either of these areas.

    ‘Abortion on demand’ is abortion that is decriminalised and available upon request (within reason i.e., not past three months) and does not require an ‘excuse’. Abortion is the subject of criminal law in all Australian states and territories, except the Australian Capital Territory. Each state and territory has legislation prohibiting unlawful abortion. In my state, abortion is generally regarded as lawful if performed to prevent serious danger to the woman’s mental and physical health, which includes economic and social pressures. Abortion is in the Crimes Act 1900 (ss 82, 83 and 84) with penalties of up to 10 years imprisonment for the woman, the doctor and anyone who assists in an “unlawful abortion”. It is for this reason that it is therefore not available by demand. The Crimes Act specifies that abortion is a crime only if it is performed unlawfully. However, it does not define when an abortion would be considered lawful or unlawful. So you are at the mercy of the system when attempting to gain an abortion or steralisation and submitting to processes and procedures to gain access to these ‘choices’ and it is akin to jumping through hoops.
    You may not have had a ‘problem’ as you say, but I guarantee you submitted to various questions regarding your motivation, your mental and physical health and were required to state some excuse (psychopathology)for why you needed to have the steralisation or an abortion done, this is not free choice or supply on demand; it is regulatory choice.

    FA x

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  75. I don't know if it's the apropriate place to ask. I got to know your blog through the Femalephobia (great) post. Now with this war on yt I got back to it. I agree that being trans is a result of our sick society and of post-feminist theories trying to make people fit in this society other than criticizing and trying to change it.

    I'm reading your posts now and I get confused when you refer to butches. Do you refer to butches only on what comes to appearances and tastes, prefering things that are said to be for men only?

    Because most butches I've known hold on to very rigid gender stereotypes, tend to be very misogynist, don't like other butch women and only want femmes (which is an urge to reproduce the heterosexual relationship patterns). I hate this kinds of butches. In my head the word is closely related to women who not only prefer to wear very masculine (which makes sense b/c women's clothes are made for torture) but also want to act in a very masculine way, trying to take the privileges of patriarchy to themselves and stepping over other women.

    Hope you can shed some light on this idea I have on butches (and femmes too, because I see most femmes are victims of Patriarchy and its femininity).

    Thank you!

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  76. FL,

    I'm reading your posts now and I get confused when you refer to butches. Do you refer to butches only on what comes to appearances and tastes, prefering things that are said to be for men only?

    I'm not sure I understand this question, and reference I make regarding Butch has nothing to do with men, I'm speaking about women.

    Because most butches I've known hold on to very rigid gender stereotypes, tend to be very misogynist, don't like other butch women and only want femmes (which is an urge to reproduce the heterosexual relationship patterns). Sadly there are Butch women who have pathologically internalized misogyny, fortunately those Butches arent many. And desire/attraction has zero to do with hetero mimicry, thats your internalized hetero-patriarchy informing you, not reality since Femme/Butch relationships in the real do not remotely resemble anything near male/female relationships (thank god).

    Hope you can shed some light on this idea I have on butches (and femmes too, because I see most femmes are victims of Patriarchy and its femininity)

    Hope that helps and Femmes utilizing their natural femininity combined with aspects of societal femininity (not expectation) to please themselves and attract/please a Butch partner again stands outside patriarchy and its nosy male gaze. The only gazing is and stays between women.

    dirt

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  77. Dirt, I can sympathize (perhaps not truly empathize) with your perspective to a pretty great extent. I absolutely get that butch women are being pressured to transition, that this is wrong, that women are being made to feel shame about their bodies simply because their personality or appearance or sexual identity doesn't conform to patriarchal expectations.

    That being said: I'm a gay trans man. I represent zero threat to you, to Butch identities, to women and women's relationships with women's bodies. I don't want to fuck women, to rape you, to subjugate you, to use you, to hurt you, or to objectify you. I don't want access to women's spaces, and I feel acutely uncomfortable when I'm assigned to them. I wouldn't in a million years consider applying to a women's college. I don't want to date femmes, or to date Butches and convince them to transition. I don't want t o spread diseases to the lesbian community - in fact I have no interest in doing anything with a woman that has the slightest potential of doing that. And as a not-especially-butch out gay trans guy, I'm not in danger of acquiring much more privilege than a Butch who passes as male (thanks to the female/femmephobia you've correctly identified as the source of the other gender-based hate and discrimination).

    And from that perspective, I have to tell you that your attitude toward trans men - your indiscriminate anger toward all of us, your refusal to acknowledge any of us as men - hurts. Your blanket insistence that we are all women hurts. It hurts a lot of us for lot of different reasons, but for me specifically the primary reason is this: I know - I'm 99.9% certain - that if I met you in person you would not acknowledge me as a woman and a sister. Not now, when I'm presenting in a way that superficially resembles a butch look; not a year ago, when I looked like a straight tomboy; not five years ago, when I was trying to be stereotypically feminine. You, like other women, would know that I'm not one of you. You, like they, would recognize something "off" about me within the first five minutes of our conversation, and you would turn distant and reserved as if you were interacting with a strange man. You'd do this without even knowing it, because I don't fit. I'm not part of the sisterhood. I don't belong. THe most uncomfortable moments of my life have been in rooms full of women, especially in groups dominated by butch or tweener dykes...just naturally closing ranks against me, the invader/impostor. I've tried really hard to be a woman, and it's always been women who "othered" me when I tried - and men who accepted me, cheerfully, as a brother. I've finally given up fighting against the person who I genuinely am. So to be told online that I, categorically, by virtue of having female genitalia, am a woman - that hurts. And it huts more coming from a radical feminist, a holder of a position I deeply respect and support, than it does coming from people I abhor like the religious right (who say a lot of the same things re: mutilation etc).

    I don't do threats or violent imagery or calls for suppressing speech. But I get where the anger is coming from. There are a lot of things my straight trans brothers do that I don't like, understand or agree with - invading and exercising their male privilege in lesbian and women's spaces, threatening women, trying to silence feminists. And those are terrible ways to behave, and in some cases (especially presence in women's spaces) they really need to be called out. But it's important to understand that at least some of these behaviours are reactions to denial, fear, and marginalization of their identity. And it's generally more effective, if your goal is to get the offending behaviour to stop, to call it out from a position of respect - to acknowledge them as men, and then tell them to check their privilege and cut the misogynistic assholery.

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  78. Evan,

    Thank you for this comment it is EXTREMELY telling and all the more reason why the drugging and mutilations of women(and men) like you must be discontinued in lieu of another alternative.

    dirt

    ps I may use part of your comment for a future post.

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  79. I just want to say, as a transman, i am not threatened or angry about your posts, when asked by other transmen to flag you, i looked at each definition for flagging someone on this site and came to the conclusion that you dont fit into a category of flagging. i understand your opinion and although i disagree with most of what you write, i can still respect a different informative view. I get that you dont want children who dont understand what transistioning is really about to be suckered into it, and later regret it. that makes total sense, i want everyone to be exactly who they are, and not be pressured into somthing that they arent sure about. I know me, and ive always known where my road was headed, my transition was all me, and still is, slow and long waiting. i did all the reading and contacting before there even was an internet base for it, this process is so difficult and its not easy, its not meant to be easy. i understand its becoming easier and there are people out there that tell kids exactly what to say to get t. i dont agree with that, if your transgender than you dont need a guide, you follow whats right for you. all i have left to say is theres so much crap in the world especially in america, but not all trans, lesbian, butch, gay, bisexual, and questioning people are as crazy and angry as so many people in those groups act. i see you, and i understand.

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