Thursday, June 24, 2010

Transgenderism-The more things change the more things stay the same

Read this recently on an ftMISOGYNYIST chat list regarding someone's sci-fantasy of a world where gender is non existent. Didn't Roddenberry cover that on an episode from the original Star Trek?

Joking aside, this is something (I want a society that doesn't give gender so much importance and rigidity) that has been heard from queer theorist, trans and trans apologists for the last 20+ years. It coincides nicely with the "fluidity" that this same group extols at every opportunity and then some.

I'm not sure if it is the absolute depth of disordered thinking as well as its gravitational pull towards those near the insanity sphere, but the Time Square Sleaze Sister's "no sense makes sense" doesn't work in reality. It may be wonderful over there in la-la-land and make-believe world, but in reality its a total fucking bust! One cannot (although they do) preach "fluidity", "diversity" and the expansion of "rigid" gender roles AND conform to strict gender roles/norms at the same time, that's pure delusion!

There is nothing "fluid" or "diverse" about a female who shoots up "T", binds/or has her breast hacked off, packs, changes her pronoun usage to reflect he-ness instead of she-ness, legally changes her name to a name society associates strictly with males along with having her legal ID F gender marker changed to M.This person can and will never be truly male, but to the world that sees this manufactured masculinized genetic female, male is what is perceived AND what is desired in perception by said genetic female.There is nothing ground breaking or earth shattering there, nothing "queer" or "fluid" and absolutely nothing breaking "rigid" gender roles for women/society. This is abidance, this is conformity, this is compliance, this is weakness, this isnt even gender bending, this is societal submission to the core!

Butch women both young and old continue breaking female gender norms and expanding the narrow notions of what women are and what women can be, because we actively rebel against being bound and gagged by patriarchy's many female gender restraints. That is not to say it is a piece of cake life, it can be a difficult life and every Butch has both internal and externals scars to show for it. The scars only our lovers see, the scars from beatings aimed at trying to beat our butchness out of us, scars from rapes aimed at brutalizing our butchness out of us, shame aimed at shaming our butchness out of us. These scars may hurt, yes, but we don them proudly because for a society to go to all that trouble to shame us, humiliate us, beat us, rape us, medically try and eradicate us, that says more about our Butch power, our Butch strength and the sheer threat of our butchness than we could ever possibly express!

Butch women, we do not merely claim to break all the rules, we live breaking all the fucking rules, every day!

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  1. A comment from Master Amazon which she was unable to post herself:

    I need to post about this nightmare era of the scariest of 21st Century science fiction, where they're giving women shots who are pregnant to eliminate the possibility of an 'androgynized' baby who might end up becoming a Lesbian, Butch or FTM...but another elimination of Butch Dyke the girls would want to have babies, worship men and marry them..instead of refuse, grow up as hardcore tomboys and become Butches...just read the article this week...anything to get rid of us Butches.

    I believe in REAL gender fluidity. The kind that doesn't require shots, hormones or surgeries....but I especially believe in women, including Butches LIVING AS THE WOMEN WE ARE, and expressing ourselves in MANY different ways, AS WOMEN, that is often heavily repressed in patriarchal cultures. Us Butches show other women that you CAN live outside the box, like the ancient Amazons did. Like the Joan of Arcs, and those who had to pass as male to marry another woman, or to be a writer, a soldier, an artist, a full human being, when women's roles were so heavily constrained.

    You're right, it's not 'genderfluid' to then go and conform to the opposite sex's 'rules' from haircuts FTMs are supposed to get that are conservative masculine, to conservative masculine dress, not tank tops and jeans, cuz they could be mistaken as Butch Dykes, ect.......or that there are organizations like Tri Ess for MTF's to appear, talk and act like properly submissive, obedient, sexually revealing soft spoken females in highly feminized clothing, while they could be 6 ft 2" and have linebacker shoulders and very masculine faces they have to cover in tons of makeup, giving themselves away, with their platinum blonde hair..that is NOT 'genderfluid' either. It's conformity.

    Both conform. Because if they don't they are so terribly afraid they could be 'outed' as the falsities they are. Genderfluid is can appear as either sex, but in a celebratory day you're in a suit and tie, the next in skirt and heels, with a beard or drag....or so inbetweener you're hard to read as either male or female, a combination of a bit of both(and there are fine boned individuals like that who are indeed hard to read), but they're being just themselves, and playing with their gender presentations, not hiding who they are, like the whole transitioning industries expect....properly stereotypically masculine or properly stereotypically feminine behavior....which is learned, false, and faked. They're all patriarchal social constructs anyway....I say do away with the social constructs, and get REAL about exactly WHO you are...and the real truth is the biological one...the rest is all show and a smokescreen to fool us! But us Dykes know, we're not as easily fooled, and that's why we're hated!
    You can't pull the wool over our eyes so easily!

  2. Here's the incredibly frightening article I was talking about:
    I will get the website for you tomorrow so you can look it up firsthand. -M.A.

    Part One
    June 30, 2010
    Homo / News / ??!! / Sex Doctor Treating Pregnant Women With Experimental Drug To Prevent Lesbianism
    Posted by Dan Savage on Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:05 AM
    Originally posted yesterday afternoon at 3:15 PM.

    That's not fair, as Hanna Rosin at Slate will shortly point out. Pediatric endocrinologist Maria New—of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine and Florida International University—isn't just trying to prevent lesbianism by treating pregnant women with an experimental hormone. She's also trying to prevent the births of girls who display an "abnormal" disinterest in babies, don't want to play with girls' toys or become mothers, and whose "career preferences" are deemed too "masculine." Unbelievable:

    The majority of researchers and clinicians interested in the use of prenatal “dex” focus on preventing development of ambiguous genitalia in girls with CAH. CAH results in an excess of androgens prenatally, and this can lead to a “masculinizing” of a female fetus’s genitals. One group of researchers, however, seems to be suggesting that prenatal dex also might prevent affected girls from turning out to be homosexual or bisexual.

    Pediatric endocrinologist Maria New, of Mount Sinai School of Medicine and Florida International University, and her long-time collaborator, psychologist Heino F. L. Meyer-Bahlburg, of Columbia University, have been tracing evidence for the influence of prenatal androgens in sexual orientation.... They specifically point to reasons to believe that it is prenatal androgens that have an impact on the development of sexual orientation. The authors write, "Most women were heterosexual, but the rates of bisexual and homosexual orientation were increased above controls . . . and correlated with the degree of prenatal androgenization.” They go on to suggest that the work might offer some insight into the influence of prenatal hormones on the development of sexual orientation in general. “That this may apply also to sexual orientation in at least a subgroup of women is suggested by the fact that earlier research has repeatedly shown that about one-third of homosexual women have (modestly) increased levels of androgens.” They “conclude that the findings support a sexual-differentiation perspective involving prenatal androgens on the development of sexual orientation.”

    And it isn’t just that many women with CAH have a lower interest, compared to other women, in having sex with men. In another paper entitled “What Causes Low Rates of Child-Bearing in Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia?” Meyer-Bahlburg writes that “CAH women as a group have a lower interest than controls in getting married and performing the traditional child-care/housewife role. As children, they show an unusually low interest in engaging in maternal play with baby dolls, and their interest in caring for infants, the frequency of daydreams or fantasies of pregnancy and motherhood, or the expressed wish of experiencing pregnancy and having children of their own appear to be relatively low in all age groups.”

    In the same article, Meyer-Bahlburg suggests that treatments with prenatal dexamethasone might cause these girls’ behavior to be closer to the expectation of heterosexual norms: “Long term follow-up studies of the behavioral outcome will show whether dexamethasone treatment also prevents the effects of prenatal androgens on brain and behavior.”

    In a paper published just this year in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, New and her colleague, pediatric endocrinologist Saroj Nimkarn of Weill Cornell Medical College, go further, constructing low interest in babies and men—and even interest in what they consider to be men’s occupations and games—as “abnormal,” and potentially preventable with prenatal dex:

  3. Part two:
    “Gender-related behaviors, namely childhood play, peer association, career and leisure time preferences in adolescence and adulthood, maternalism, aggression, and sexual orientation become masculinized in 46,XX girls and women with 21OHD deficiency [CAH]. These abnormalities have been attributed to the effects of excessive prenatal androgen levels on the sexual differentiation of the brain and later on behavior.” Nimkarn and New continue: “We anticipate that prenatal dexamethasone therapy will reduce the well-documented behavioral masculinization...”

    It seems more than a little ironic to have New, one of the first women pediatric endocrinologists and a member of the National Academy of Sciences, constructing women who go into “men’s” fields as “abnormal.” And yet it appears that New is suggesting that the “prevention” of “behavioral masculinization” is a benefit of treatment to parents with whom she speaks about prenatal dex. In a 2001 presentation to the CARES Foundation (a videotape of which we have), New seemed to suggest to parents that one of the goals of treatment of girls with CAH is to turn them into wives and mothers. Showing a slide of the ambiguous genitals of a girl with CAH, New told the assembled parents:

    “The challenge here is... to see what could be done to restore this baby to the normal female appearance which would be compatible with her parents presenting her as a girl, with her eventually becoming somebody’s wife, and having normal sexual development, and becoming a mother. And she has all the machinery for motherhood, and therefore nothing should stop that, if we can repair her surgically and help her psychologically to continue to grow and develop as a girl.”

    In the Q&A period, during a discussion of prenatal dex treatments, an audience member asked New, “Isn’t there a benefit to the female babies in terms of reducing the androgen effects on the brain?” New answered, “You know, when the babies who have been treated with dex prenatally get to an age in which they are sexually active, I’ll be able to answer that question.” At that point, she’ll know if they are interested in taking men and making babies.

    In a previous Bioethics Forum post, Alice Dreger noted an instance of a prospective father using knowledge of the fraternal birth order effect to try to avoid having a gay son by a surrogate pregnancy. There may be other individualized instances of parents trying to ensure heterosexual children before birth. But the use of prenatal dexamethasone treatments for CAH represents, to our knowledge, the first systematic medical effort attached to a “paradigm” of attempting in utero to reduce rates of homosexuality, bisexuality, and “low maternal interest.”

    So no more Elena Kagans, no more Donna Shalalas, no more Martina Navratilovas, no more k.d. langs, no more Constance McMillens—because all women must grow up to suck dick, crank out babies, and do women's work. And the existence of adult women who are not interested in "becoming someone's wife" and "making babies" constitutes a medical emergency that requires us to treat women who are currently pregnant with a dangerous experimental hormone. Otherwise their daughters might grow up to, um, be nominated to sit on the Supreme Court, serve as cabinet secretaries, take 18 Grand Slam singles titles, win Grammies, and take their girlfriends to prom.

    And we can't have that.

    Two things: Gay people have been stressing out about the day arriving when scientists developed treatments to prevent homosexuality. The preventing gay sheep freak out is here, Twilight of the Golds is here, and I recall—but can't quickly find a link for—a "fellow" at the Family Research Council or the American Family Association who backed in-utero hormone treatments to prevent homosexuality. Well, here we are—the day appears to have arrived. Now what are we going to do about it?

  4. there is no need here - as there is never the need to insult and put down Others.. To make one's self look and feel better by comparison.

    Ok. So You've stated how YOU are Butch - and in No Way an FTM, yes?

    Ok. Good. I do not wish it upon you nor upon anyone else.
    Nor am I ever interested in receiving the "we got it worse" medal
    - or to engage in such ridiculous discussions.

    However your palpable Hate is so not necessary. Where you see 'hacking' we experience removal of what never should have been - The people you call insane crazy weak?! You are mistaken.

    Why must you continuously insult a group of people who like yourself, simply desires to live in the same world as you do. We ask Nothing of YOU. You claim to know me, But I will not be so arrogant as to claim to know You.

    All I ask is that you seek the Truth in all things - including the reason behind your prejudiced hateful rants. and they are Dangerous.

    Picture yourself at your 'weakest most vulnerable state. The age in which you yourself saw and Knew without a doubt You were not your 'average woman' - That you fell in love with women thus there would be no Groom to your Bride.. No man who will sweep you off your feet.
    Now lets say this 'you', at age 5, or maybe it was 7, or maybe 11.
    And full of great sadness that you will not be or have what other's do - you come across rant after rant - hateful hurtful to the core comments and statements that fill you now not with Anger - But absolute despair.

    Not all children are strong. Nor should they be. That's not their job as of yet. Let the 5 year old not be burdened.

    Our words hurt. Even here - read over an anonymous web of even more hate. Where shame is formed, and ever deepened. By the very people I would think could relate to the problem at hand.

    And you think 'we' fit in? That we do THIS to 'fit in" 'to hide'? There is NO hiding. This is Finally NOT having to Pretend or Be Fake about what we Like, Love, and WHO and WHAT we are.
    You on the other hand CAN hide. Butch is Who You Love - You can be seen as just another Tom-boy no harm no foul. And frankly NO ONE should HIDE - and a biological female changes her name (first name, middle name perhaps even last name) A lot of us do not choose a middle-ground name like Nic or Cris - We are Andrew's and Christopher's and Jack Joseph M.'s

    Once we make the change from hiding (we are girls - we are no different than Butches)ETC ETC - And become Who we've always been, our shameful little secret - Then all hiding and weakness is dismissed.

    We enter the world who apparently can not seem to get their head around it - I mean You hate us and you are our step-sister for fk sake. You who are like our cousin claims in-between the lines that we should be hated and despised as cowards.

    The only thing we choose - just as you do, and every other living human being in this world Chooses...
    Is the Type of Person we shall Be. Honest True A good friend - an example to others who are squares in a pegged society.
    Instead of so much hate - try the most under-rated yet much needed response - Mercy. Let us Live our lives without assault. We wish you the same you know. No harm./ Just for all of us to grow and live and become the people we have always been - and to grow ever more.

    I wish you would write me off-board.
    I wonder what it is - and why you just can't see us for who were are

    - and how is it that I became your enemy?

    Jack Joseph M.